In what ways is the climate crisis irreparable?
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Eric Hawthorne
Answered March 14, 2020
One of the major effects of rapid global warming is inability of many species, and types of ecosystems, to adapt or migrate fast enough to survive.
And when species or ecosystems disappear from the planet, it can take tens of millions of years for similar species or ecosystems to evolve and re-establish, even should the climate be restored to something similar to when they were thriving. And note that it would be only “similar” species and ecosystems, not the same species, or ecosystem compositions, as before. Those are gone.
In a more short term sense of irreparable, excess CO2 put into the atmosphere now will continue to be there and have its planet-heating effect for 200 years. Additionally, excess heat at Earth’s surface region that we’re causing now gets cycled down into the depths of the ocean and warms the ocean slightly down to enormous depth. A vast mass of water acts as a thermal mass, storing the heat. So that thermal energy stays there for perhaps a thousand’ish years, having its effect on climate for around that long. These are among the reasons we say we have already locked-in global warming for some considerable future time, even if we stop emitting now. Earth’s atmospheric/oceanic system is just a really big system, and effects on it take hundreds of years to work through the system.
The hard thing to get our head around is that even though we’ve already caused some level of locked-in change and harm, we should still act urgently on it to avoid the total cumulative effect being even worse, and catastrophically bad, as will very likely happen on current business-as-usual emissions trajectories.
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Paul Noel, former Research Scientist 6 Level 2 UAH Huntsville Al. (2009-2014)
Answered February 21, 2020
Since the climate crisis is a product of the stylesheet of the UK Guardian and never had any scientific, physical or historical manifestation I would say that the reason it is irreparable is purely that it is likely to put the UK Guardian out of business once and for all.
Stylesheets are used by reporters to define the correct phrases and methods etc to produce articles. The UK Guardian chose in early 2019 to introduce the terms Climate Crisis in order to hype up the articles and get clicks etc. It is just clickbait.
As to the world environment it is astoundingly resilient. It seems to recover sometimes slower and sometimes faster than one would think. I can safely tell you that the world is showing amazing recovery all over. Rather than failing it is actually getting better almost everywhere at this time. There literally are more trees now that ever before. We are seeing massive wildlife improvements. We are seeing sea life in recovery. Whales for example are very nearly to the level they were before whaling was introduced. Polar bears have 30,000 or more new bears since 2006 when Al Gore did his famous movie.
Are there problems. Absolutely. But things are getting better.
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Victor Williams, Internet researcher
Answered April 10, 2020
Climate scientists working for monied-interests like to use charts, statistics, etc wherein they manipulate data to fit a certain model. This is called outcome-based science. The rich class have been calling for the implementation of a carbon tax. Just what the world needs another way for the rich class to confiscate the wealth of the commoners, speading misery and poverty.
Climate change fanatics, zealots, what have you are misguided and delusional.
Carbon dioxide is a trace gas that is essential for plant life. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere results in plant growth. Plants respond by releasing oxygen. Climate change fanatics have been taught that a trace gas that comprises .04% of the atmosphere can somehow magically transform the earth into a greenhouse. That is preposterous.
All this emphasis on climate change has drawn attention away from real threats to the environment. The impression I'm left with is climate change zealots don't care about real threats to the environment that have the potential to destroy the habitability of the planet earth. For example, the spread of radioactive isotopes into the environment via the nuclear power industry.
Maybe people just want to live in a world contaminated with radioactive isotopes in the air, food and water. Maybe people think that living in a world contaminated with microplastics would be cool. Maybe people think living in a world where Communist China is allowed to pollute indiscriminately is exciting.
I don't know why I even bother responding to these kinds of questions. I'm getting paid nothing for these posts. Why should it be left to me to educate people regarding the hypocrisy of climate change fanatics?
People better become wise to the ways of the elite or accept the consequences. It may already be too late to save the planet from the effects of the groese mismanagement of the planets resources by the rich class.
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Francisco Maldonado, BAC1-11; B727; B757 Airline Transport Pilot License
Answered March 13, 2020
What makes you think that we're facing a “climate crisis”?
Because you heard it in the news?
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Guy Malbec, Researching Climate-Change since 2006
Answered March 5, 2020
There is an ocean current circling the Arctic called the Beaufort Gyre.
Historically speaking, the Gyre used to switch directions from clockwise to anti-clockwise and then back again, every 5–7 years.
For the past 20 years, the Gyre has been spinning in the same clockwise direction. Over those same 20 years, the Gyre has accumulated 8000 cubic kilometres of fresh water from melting ice. All that fresh water is captured in the Gyre and kept close to the Arctic.
When the direction of the wind changes, all that fresh water is going to be ‘ejected’ out into the surrounding water, vastly increasing ocean stratification, and thereby disrupting ocean currents.
That would be the ‘First Domino’ falling.
A disruption of the Atlantic Meridonal Overturning Circulation would: 1) Completely change the climate of Western Europe; 2) Trap even more heat in the Antarctic; 3) Weaken the East Asian monsoon even further; 4) Dramatically affect marine wildlife, and more.
Every system that collapses will result in pushing more systems to collapse.
Like dominos.
So you see, even if we wake up tomorrow and invest truly radical efforts at mitigating CO2 emissions, the process of planetary climate collapse is already beyond our ability to reverse.
And it could happen any moment.
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2950/arctic-ice-melt-is-changing-ocean-currents/
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Dan Henneberger, B.A. Life Sciences & The Arts, University of California, Los Angeles
Answered March 1, 2020
It is irreparable because humans will not do what is necessary to solve the problem. Most important is to reduce the population with birth control. Very few will do it. Second that could be done at this time is…STOP eating all meats!! Now how many will do that? Producing all the meats humans eat causes more air, water and earth pollution than any other source! That means cars, trucks, trains, planes, ships and anything I forgot to mention. Growing cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and any animal causes more POLLUTION and is what is causing Climate change. This is a worldwide problem that people just don’t get…..and most likely will NEVER understand. They are meant to keep ignorant of the problem by the Major Banks and Corporations of the world that control and own everything. What else prevents change? Greed, Corruption and the pollution of Plastics. Do you think humans will change? Dreamer!
You want to try to change things for the better? Check it out, healthy people are Vegans! Humans were not meant to eat meat. In the past history it was a last resort survival food. Tell your friends and keep telling others. Be vegans.
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Paul Fishman, Adjudication Litigation Legal (1989-present)
Answered March 12, 2020
The Climate Crisis has been manufactured and exaggerated up as a ploy of fear and control instead of using reasonable common sense. The real truth is that it took 150 to 200 years from the start of the Industrial Revolution to make some effect of changing the climate. It will also take at least 100 year to reverse the effects human development has on the climate. Without our human effects, the earth always goes through climate changes and crisis in cycles. However we can be good at Conservation by development over time in 9 to 10 decades for renewable energy sources that will reduce carbon emissions and will make a bit but not total change to the climate. For example the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland Ohio was a very toxic dirty industrial place back in 1970. Now 50 years later with changes to eliminate the pollutants with clean Conservation the river has been cleaned up and improved. Over a time of a century or two with our world going into the Information and Technology Revolution, clean energy with patient investment and time can make some difference. A long term vision and goal must be make without undue changes put upon the earth's population. Social adaption also takes a lot of time as well.
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Daniel Cooper, BS Electrical Engineering & Physics (1967)
Answered February 23, 2020
It is not irreparable. There are two ways it will be repaired.
First, we can come together and work to solve it. It can be done, we know how, and we have the technology. We will have to ignore those who say it doesn’t exist, those who say we are all doomed so there is nothing to do, those who say their one way is the only thing to do, and those who are making money out of not doing anything and buying governments to serve their ends.
Second, we can keep our heads in the sand. Global civilization will collapse and the population will crash to a very small number, due to a lot of factors of which climate change is only one. Then nature will repair itself over a few thousand years.
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Marc Lambert, Inventor/Producer of "EGMi Metacognition for the Masses"
Answered March 1, 2020
Planets like earth are constantly changing internally, externally, and from external influences of orbit and changes in the sun, it would be rare for a change to bring back the exact conditions to an area.
Here in SEQ OZ we got our average rainfall this year and may go over but the changes of many years of drought and rising temps have caused some changes in the country itself, fauna and flora that will never go back to the exactly the way they were 30 years ago.
EGMi can stop humans polluting/destroying and zero carbon emissions may slow warming, but I live on the edge of what was a big volcano its development, eruption the changes it made are irreparable but made my home.
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Allan Travers, I have accrued 66 years of experience and observations
Answered April 14, 2020
Anthony, there is NO climate crisis, just an attempt by a very evil and greedy group of very wealthy people who have world dominance as their main agenda. In achieving their end they have taken a totally natural occyrance like the planets warming and cooling cycles, and added their own lie to it by attempting to use the earth’s natural warming cycle, as it is promoted, is being caused by mankind, burning fossil fuels. The truth is, that the earth is in a warming phase of it’s temperature fluctuating cycle, and in many years from now will begin it’s return to the cooling period, and then followed by a warming period. This is the earth’s cycle since creation. Now what is believed to be the case is that CO2 is released when things warm up and are recaptured by such things as the oceans when it cools down again. So CO2 does NOT cause the earth to warm up, and the amount of CO2 we humans produce is insignificant compared to all the other sources of nature combined. So don’t believe the bull. First comes the warming, then comes the CO2. Not the other way round. There is no climate crisis and there is nothing to repair, it’s all about virtue signalling and making money out of people’s fears.
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Andrew Forrest, Chief Engineer at Solstad Offshore (2005-present)
Answered February 29, 2020
In what ways is the climate crisis irreparable?
It’s not irreparable, nothing is. In terms of human lifespan, which is the common scale applied to solving problems, then you could say it’s irreparable. The planet’s energy balance will reassert itself in the fullness of time, and in geological terms it will be minuscule.
We mightn’t have the same view. This is why it’s very important that we become more responsible for what we are doing to the only biosphere that we know of. The sooner we wean ourselves off the teat of hydrocarbon fuels, the sooner we can re-establish normality and the less price we pay.
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Keith White
Answered February 21, 2020
The climate is irreparable because:-
It is not damaged, and
It is NOT humans that are causing the change.
If you can suggest some method to control the Earth’s orbit and the massive gazillion watt heater in the sky (that we call the sun) then you might have some hope of influencing the climate - otherwise just enjoy the ride and stop stressing and stop being fooled by climate alarmists and hoaxers.
Now I am NOT religious at all - but the Bible warns us of “False Prophets”- perhaps it is more wise that I originally thought?
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Daniel Kinch, performer, author of play about AGW currently touring US
Answered March 3, 2020
As a result of the Industrial Revolution and the use of fossil fuels at scale, we’ve added 2.7 trillion tons of carbon dioxide, a potent greenhouse gas, to the atmosphere. No one has any notion on how to remove it or break it down into component parts. It will be in the atmosphere for centuries, and it will contribute to heating the planet past the point where big mammals like humans can survive. It will also heat the earth past the point where we have Arctic sea ice, which would otherwise prevent release of hundreds of billions of tons of methane currently sequestered under the ice.
There are dozens of other feedback loops driven by climate crisis, but the two I’ve mentioned are sufficient to drive our climate past the point where we can survive the Sixth Mass Extinction, already in progress.
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Dave Brunfeldt, 40 years as a radar designer. PhD electrical engineering
Answered February 25, 2020
Climate changes. It always has and always will. Repair means that it has been broken and should be repaired. Says who? Climate is probably different than it was 5000 years ago, but is it worse? Is it broken?
If it is broken, what is broken? Don’t give me projections that say it will break. Right now, what is broken? Different isn’t broken. Not the way you want it, isn’t broken.
Climate will never repeat itself. There are too many degrees of freedom, too many parameters that go into climate to ever be the same over and over again.
So perhaps your question should be more specific. Give us a measurement of one part of the climate and then define broken. Maybe the respondents can address a particular “broken” thing in the climate.
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Guido Martinelli, former Zero Waste- Sustainability Energy Saving Advisor at Cooperativa La Ringhiera (1983-2010)
Answered March 14, 2020
Many facts made the greenhouse effect grow. And some facts are the effects of global warming itself… like.. more methane from melted ice will improve global warming. In theoric line is recoverable. but require too much time. Also, crude oil is considered not renewable.. when in a few millions of years we will have new oil. It is easier to stop climate change, but oil corporation lobbying action is winning and hope to block climate overheating and disasters related is like to be in the last position of the marathon at 500 meters of the arrival and hope to win… NO WAY. We must prepare to live in a climate troubled planet..
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Anton Carver, Understands Science well enough to read Scientific Papers
Answered February 21, 2020
The past is fixed. Extinctions are permanent. Vast swaths of coral aren’t going to make it and the marine ecosystems they support are in trouble. Ice can be refrozen, but temperatures have to drop considerably for that to happen—it can’t happen this century. Consequently, sea-level rise will continue for a good while after we manage to peak temperatures (if we do that) and that will occur a few decades after we peak carbon dioxide concentration (if we do that) and that will happen a good while after peak emissions (if we do that).
Scientists compare climate change impacts at 1.5C and 2C
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Ken Warren, former Software Engineer (1979-2010)
Answered February 23, 2020
There is no climate crisis. It is the damage the West’s own-foot-shooting is inflicting that will be irreparable. Do not follow Europe’s lead on this road to Mediaevalism, as described in this article. The real western civilisation emergency
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Kelly Mitchell, Analyst at AmaZix
Answered February 26, 2020
Well, here’s the multi-year chart of the Antarctic sea ice anomaly. It looks like a steady upward trend with some volatility.
so - what are you talking about? Oh, right - the news reports about ice calving events. Well, here’s the dirty secret - ice calves because there’s too much of it, not because it’s melting. It builds up in the interior, then glaciers push out at the edges. The edges break off into the ocean. It’s been happening for - hmm - over a billion years, except during periods when the Earth was truly warm and had no ice at the poles. Yes, that’s happened a number of times.
So - please don’t panic. Everything is actually fine.
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Bill Crean, Former meteorologist on network of met. stations.
Answered February 21, 2020
Assuming the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is true, then the climate crisis is irreparable because few people will do the necessary to stop the warming trend.
My answer in the link outlines some measures, which would help reduce the AGW trend:
Bill Crean's answer to How can we save the world?
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Bruce Bell, former Data Tech - following Climate Science since 1995
Answered March 3, 2020
The only irreparable thing about the climate crisis is the Denialists.
If they were not in the picture, we’d be well on our way to curing the problem by now - it wouldn’t get fixed instantly, but we WOULD be on our way.
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Daniel E Hofford, former DataBase Programmer/Systems Analyst (1994-2010)
Answered February 23, 2020
In the way that climate scientists have been utterly cowardly in their appeasement of and capitulation to a Leftist political agenda. They have besmirched science and the methodology of science. Shame on them, one and all.
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J Michael Sullivan, studied at Boston University (1986)
Answered March 2, 2020
No way to accurately tell, but it is more than likely that thousands of species have already gone extinct during our watch. How many of these species might have proven to be valuable with regard to medical research and/or fighting disease we will never know. Continuing this madness for much longer is going to paint the human race into a corner. The 1% know it and are thus hoarding everything they can get their greedy hands on. The question is, what are we the common man going to do to prevent the SFHTF since the elites aren’t lifting a finger?
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Vicente Gonzalez, former Physician
Answered February 21, 2020
the climate on our planet has periodic cycles and changes and this circumstance "will not change". What can change is that the human being can adapt to excessive atmospheric warming and of land, seas and rivers. It is man who is "at risk", not planet Earth.
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Darcy Wilson
Answered March 12, 2020
Well first there is no crisis. It is a hoax. The response to this hoax will cause irreparable damage to our economies and way of life. Unless we stop this useless end CO2 action we are doomed. Read agenda 2030.
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Keith H. Burgess, R.E. Climate Change & Common Sense, Research (2019)
Answered February 26, 2020
The governments or a majority of people could stop anthropogenic global warming & climate change if they wanted to Anthony, but they are not prepared to do what is needed to stop global warming.
We probably have left it too late to reverse global warming, we can probably only stabilise it at its present level, IF action were taken immediately, which it won’t.
Keith.
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John Murphy, former Chemical Engineer at Oil Refining, Computer Programming, Currently Barrister.
Answered February 21, 2020
Be so kind as to define “climate crisis.”
You are the 105th person of whom I have asked that question in the last couple of months.
See if you can be the first to answer it. If you can’t I will know your question is not genuine.
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Richard Rothwell, former Senior Software Engineer in Data Analytics
Answered February 25, 2020
About 2/3 of CO2 emissions ends up in the ocean. So removing it from the air after it is released is rate limited by how fast it evolves from the ocean. So the whole process is slow, and essentially irreversible.
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Martin Harris, former Forward Observer to Battery Commander at 49th Field Artillery Battalion, Charlie Battery (1955-1957)
Answered April 8, 2020
What crisis? It was warmer in the Paleolithic period when modern humans began to use hand-made tools and cave art for the first time.
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Chris Beall, Educator (2002-present)
Answered February 23, 2020
There IS NO “climate crisis” Climate change is a natural, cyclical process that is no threat to mankind.
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