Jesus Died for Our Sins? 🇺🇸✝️ American Christian Dares Sheikh Ahmad Deedat - Bold Answer Shocks Many
Muslim Speakers
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In this powerful debate, an American Christian boldly declares that Jesus died for our sins.
He argues that all humanity is sinful and that original sin is a fundamental Christian truth.
With confidence, he challenges Sheikh Ahmad Deedat to respond to this core belief.
Is salvation only possible through the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?
Sheikh Ahmad Deedat delivers a calm yet firm answer rooted in scripture and logic.
His response questions key assumptions and invites viewers to reflect deeply.
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Transcript
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0:000 secondsMy name is John Zech and I work at Quite University at the faculty of arts. I teach English. Um
0:088 secondsI first of all would like to just address the idea that you talked about original sin versus sin actually committed by the person. I myself am a
0:1616 secondssinner. I stand here a sinner before you and before God. I'm a sinner originally and I'm a sinner because I and because
0:2424 secondsof original sin, I have chosen to sin. I have a tendency to do that which is wrong. Now, I'm not sure, but I I believe that the story is fairly much
0:3333 secondsthe same in the Quran and in the in the uh uh Old Testament that of when Ibrahim took his son onto the mountain to
0:4242 secondssacrifice his son to prove to God that his his obedience to God would be complete. And as I took his knife to
0:5151 secondshold it and to sacrifice his son, God provided a sacrifice for provided a substitution for that son so that I
1:011 minute, 1 secondwould not have to kill his son. But then he provided the lamb. Now I can tell you that before I committed my life to Jesus
1:091 minute, 9 secondsChrist that I felt the weight of sin. I felt the weight of those things. I had never killed. I had never I had never stolen from banks. I had never done some
1:181 minute, 18 secondsof these more more uh uh heinous type of crimes and yet I felt the weight of sin.
1:261 minute, 26 secondsAnd I can also say that as I recognized that Jesus Christ died historically for the sins of the world and as I
1:341 minute, 34 secondsrecognized that and submitted myself to him that the weight of sin was taken off. I can also say as of this moment that I know without a shadow of a doubt
1:431 minute, 43 secondsthat if I were to die as I'm talking to you that I would go to stand before God and God would look at me and he'd say
1:511 minute, 51 secondswelcome home my son and because of that I stand here and I and nobody after I die even if I were a prophet nobody
2:002 minutesafter I died would have to say peace be upon him because I know that that without a shadow of a doubt I would stand and I would be totally accepted by
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsGod because of the e because of the atoning sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ. And we can talk about semantics.
2:162 minutes, 16 secondsWe can talk about about things. You you surely are a learned man. You're learned both in the Quran and in the Bible, the Injil. And I appreciate that. And I
2:242 minutes, 24 secondsconsider it an honor to be able to talk to you. And be but but I'll tell you what that I've talked to many many many
2:332 minutes, 33 secondsMuslims and I've said if you were to die at this moment what what would happen to you and in the New Testament Jesus says
2:412 minutes, 41 secondsthese things are written it's it's written in the book of first John and he says these things are written that you might know that you have eternal life
2:502 minutes, 50 secondsand this life is in Jesus Christ. Thank you Mr. Chairman and brethren,
2:562 minutes, 56 secondsI'm sure you know you have you have discovered that no question was asked.
3:073 minutes, 7 secondsIt was his point of view about how he sees things, what he believes and he came forth to testify and he testified
3:163 minutes, 16 secondsthough he had spoken you know so many things he's touched about the original sin and then he felt the weight of sin on him and now he accepted Christ and
3:253 minutes, 25 secondsthe weight is gone off and all that all that that means now this is what he has got is the right thing
3:323 minutes, 32 secondsbut he had didn't come forward to contradict a single statement I made I said sin is not inherited
3:413 minutes, 41 secondsand your Bible says the same. The soul that sinnth it shall die. You heard that before a 100 times over and you see that
3:503 minutes, 50 secondsread it in Christian literature. The soul that sinnth it shall die. And we all have sinned and we must die unless somebody pays for your sins.
3:593 minutes, 59 secondsYou know amazing thing that the Christian puts a full stop where there's no full stop.
4:084 minutes, 8 secondsIt's a part of the verse. First phrase, the soul that sinnth, it shall die. It continues, "The son shall not bear the
4:164 minutes, 16 secondsiniquity of the father." Father Adam, he sinned. We are his sons and daughters.
4:224 minutes, 22 secondsYou are not going to pay for the iniquity of your father. Neither shall the father pay the iniquity of the son.
4:274 minutes, 27 secondsHis children, his children today, yesterday in San Francisco, 300,000 sodomites.
4:354 minutes, 35 secondsWe call them konut. They gather in San Francisco in a pilgrimage. Hajj. They're making Hajj in p in San Francisco led by 50 lesbians on motorcycles.
4:454 minutes, 45 secondsGod Almighty will not ask Adam and say, "Look at your children. This rubbish, abominable people. Look at them." No, he
4:524 minutes, 52 secondswill not reproach Adam for that. Neither shall the father be the iniquity of the son.
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsThe righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him. You are a good man. Your goodness, God will reward you. And the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon
5:065 minutes, 6 secondshim. A wicked man he does any wicked thing he will have to pay for it.
5:125 minutes, 12 secondsBut if the wicked the way to salvation in that one verse the whole of theology is given in your book in the book of Ezekiel 18:20.
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsBut if the wicked, the sinner will turn means repent from all the sin that he has committed and from there on do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live. He shall not die.
5:365 minutes, 36 secondsThat is God talking.
5:395 minutes, 39 secondsIf the way to salvation was, he should have said, "But the wicked, if he believes in my son that going to come 2,000 years later, he's going to die on
5:475 minutes, 47 secondsthe cross for me." It would have been something. He says, "No, you repent and do good. God will forgive you your sins.
5:545 minutes, 54 secondsHe is not Shillock. He does not want a pound of flesh from you. He doesn't want blood from you. The example you gave about Abraham.
6:026 minutes, 2 secondsWhat was all the story about? You see, we lost the mark. It's a story. Abraham offering his son. What for? Didn't God know whether he'll pass the test or not?
6:136 minutes, 13 secondsHe said God was testing him. What for?
6:156 minutes, 15 secondsDidn't God know whether he'll fail or he will pass? Of course, he knew. Then why did he do all this? You see in Babylonia
6:246 minutes, 24 secondsin the time of Abraham human sacrifice was prevalent. People were proud. You can be programmed brainwashed like
6:316 minutes, 31 secondszombies to sacrifice your own sons and daughters. They were doing it and they were getting pleasure in it. The human mind you can cultivate anything in the
6:386 minutes, 38 secondsmind your own child. And so I'm giving my what is the sheep or a goat? [music] You know my own child. I brought him up.
6:466 minutes, 46 secondsHe's 16 years old now. Handsome young man or young beautiful maiden. I says I sacrifice her for God. Sickness you can
6:536 minutes, 53 secondsdevelop that sickness. The human mind is capable of doing all that. This was prevalent. God Almighty wants you not to
7:007 minutesdo that. So he enacts a drama for you to learn a lesson.
7:047 minutes, 4 secondsSo he says look sacrifice your son in a dream. He say it's a dream. Again the thing that you love most his only son is his only son.
7:167 minutes, 16 secondsThis is thy only son.
7:197 minutes, 19 secondsThe Christians say it was Isaac. I said, "Look, man, raise your brains." He says, "Your only son at any time, if he had an
7:277 minutes, 27 secondsonly son, it was Ismile. For 13 years, he was the only son and seed of Abraham." Isaac was born 13 years later.
7:347 minutes, 34 secondsAnd Ismael was accepted by God as the son and seed of Abraham. No less than 12 times in the Bible, he's called, "And as for Ishmael, thy son, and as for Ishmael
7:427 minutes, 42 secondsthy seed." God Almighty, if he recognized Ismael as his son and his seed, for 13 years, he was the only son.
7:487 minutes, 48 secondsIsaac could never have been the only son at any time.
7:527 minutes, 52 secondsSo enact a scene, a drama. I said, "Look, do this." And he's about to do. God says, "No, I was only testing you."
8:008 minutesWhat? He is enacting a scene for mankind that I want no sacrifice.
8:068 minutes, 6 secondsNo human, no sinner or saint should die for somebody else, for somebody else.
8:148 minutes, 14 secondsYou commit murder, you die for your sins. not an innocent man.
8:208 minutes, 20 secondsThis is the law of God. [music] He's telling you, he says, look, God is satisfied with a willingness on your part. What he wants is that you are show
8:278 minutes, 27 secondsyour willingness that whatever, oh Lord, you tell me, you say pray five times a day. I said I'll pray five. He said 50 times. I said 50 times. He said one
8:348 minutes, 34 secondswhole month you fast. I said yes. It's a whole year. If it is from my lord, I say fast whole year. Whatever he says, my lord, I'm prepared to submit to you to
8:428 minutes, 42 secondsshow my willingness. I'm making this sacrifice as a remembrance. of that that he's telling you, God is telling you, I
8:498 minutes, 49 secondswant no sacrifice, no flesh and blood of goats and cows are good for you. Why an
8:568 minutes, 56 secondsinnocent human being? So the Quran says they didn't kill him and they didn't crucify him. And this is what the Bible
9:049 minutes, 4 secondssays. This is the shaking part. You see, I said your Bible says the same, sir. I said, you see, you read this book in
9:129 minutes, 12 secondsyour own language, your own mother tongue in English. You are an English man. I take it. You're an English man.
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsBritisher or American? Yeah, you're an American English speaking fellow. Still English. See, you're not speaking German at home.
9:269 minutes, 26 secondsYou speak English. English is your mother tongue. I said you English people, English speaking people, you read this book. You Arabs, you read this book in your own mother tongue. Take the
9:359 minutes, 35 secondsArabic Bible for you. The Udu is speaking for his reason in Udu and the Zulu in Zulu. And the African and Africans, every human being on earth
9:429 minutes, 42 secondstoday, 2,000 different languages, they have the Bible for them in their own mother tongue. And each and every one of these group,
9:509 minutes, 50 secondsthey understand, misunderstand what they're reading. Amazing. It's an amazing thing. You know, we can all I said at the beginning, we can all be
9:599 minutes, 59 secondsprogrammed into anything. We can all behave like zombies with donkeys with blinkers on. All I said all, I'm not pointing a finger at the Christian. all
10:0810 minutes, 8 secondswhether Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jew, atheist, anybody, everybody can be programmed, brainwashed into anything.
10:1610 minutes, 16 secondsSo I said, now you read this book in your own mother tongue and you understand the exact opposite of what you're reading. Exact opposite. Not just
10:2310 minutes, 23 secondsmisunderstanding, exact opposite. If you are told in the Holy Bible, thou shalt not commit adultery, you understand that thou shalt commit adultery. So act. What
10:3310 minutes, 33 secondsdo you think for zombies? I said, "Look, I prove it to you." You read the gospel of St. Luke chapter 24:36.
10:4310 minutes, 43 secondsIt says, "And Jesus returned to that upper room where they had the last supper." The Christian will understand this better than the Muslim because they know the whole background to what I'm talking after his alleged crucifixion.
10:5210 minutes, 52 secondsHe goes to that upper room where they had the last supper. And he goes in and he says, "Shalamakum in Hebrew." Same asalam alaikum in Arabic. When he said, "Peace be unto you," his disciples were
11:0111 minutes, 1 secondterrified. So I'm asking why were they terrified?
11:0511 minutes, 5 secondsSo Luke tells us that they were afrighted because they thought he was a spirit. They thought that's the reason
11:1411 minutes, 14 secondsthey thought he was a spook, a ghost. So they are terrified. People are terrified of ghost and spooks. We all are. So
11:2111 minutes, 21 secondsJesus wants to assure them that is not what they're thinking. They're thinking he's come back from the dead. He was dead and he's resurrected. He's come
11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsback. So he says says behold my hands and my feet in me
11:3611 minutes, 36 secondsthat it is I myself handle me and see
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondsfor the spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have and they felt him I'm reading and they believe not for joy means they were overjoyed then it's an
11:5211 minutes, 52 secondsanticlimax they thought the man is dead and buried stinking in his grave but that man is here alive and we feel him.
11:5811 minutes, 58 secondsHe's the same Jesus. So it says, "And they believed not for joy and wondered what happened, man. We thought the man
12:0512 minutes, 5 secondswas dead and buried." So he says, "Have you got here anything to eat?
12:1712 minutes, 17 secondsAnd they gave him a piece of royal fish and a honeycomb. And he took it and he act in the very side to prove what? That is a ghost. He's a spirit. He's a spook.
12:2612 minutes, 26 secondsCome on. Come on. Tell me." No. And the same fellow man, damn fools, what are you afraid of before? That's what he's telling you. What are you? And the whole
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsChristian world in every language of the world, they say he's a spirit. He said a spirit has no flesh and bones. If I got flesh and bones in your language, you
12:4112 minutes, 41 secondsArabs, I'm asking you the Arabs. I said, look, if I got flesh and bones, I'm not a spirit. I'm not a ghost. I'm not a
12:4912 minutes, 49 secondsspook. Is that what it means in your language? You said yes. to the English man I said if I said because I have
12:5612 minutes, 56 secondsflesh and bones I'm not a spirit I'm not a ghost I'm not a spook is that what it means in your language the English man
13:0313 minutes, 3 secondssays yes the Africana says yes the zuru says yes but now his salvation depends upon that so he hears and he doesn't
13:1113 minutes, 11 secondshear this is what happened he's hearing but he won't accept because that's easy way it's an easy way like swagat was
13:1913 minutes, 19 secondssaying you see so you Muslims get the tape get the tape If you haven't got it, get the tape. It'll be history.
13:2713 minutes, 27 secondsSwagat is history.
13:2913 minutes, 29 secondsHe said, "You Muslims, you don't drink." You know why you don't drink? Because you are afraid. They'll cut your toes.
13:3513 minutes, 35 secondsThey'll cut your nose. Huh? They'll cut your thumb. That's what he said. That's the reason. You know, you're afraid that somebody will cut your nose. They'll cut your toes. Is that the reason?
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsThat's what he said. But he says we Christians that there is no explanation.
13:5113 minutes, 51 secondsHe has to listen to you. At least you have done your duty. You have delivered the message. Next one.
13:5613 minutes, 56 secondsUm I'm British. I'm a Christian. I have one question. Um firstly, I I'd like to
14:0414 minutes, 4 secondsremind us what it says in the Quran. And it says that Christians and Muslims are closest to one another. This is what it says in the Quran. And I thank God for
14:1314 minutes, 13 secondsthe opportunity to listen. And may we always be able to share together. And when we share, may we share with
14:2214 minutes, 22 secondspatience and with love and peace and not as we did in the crusades fighting each other. May God forgive us for these
14:3114 minutes, 31 secondsatrocities of the past. I'm not a scholar but I have one question I have read a little bit. It seems the main
14:3814 minutes, 38 secondsdifference uh really is on the is the person of uh Jesus Christ who the Quran as you said does speak very highly of.
14:4814 minutes, 48 secondsNow I have one question as I say I'm not a scholar. Um my question is if Jesus is God's word as it says in the Quran
14:5614 minutes, 56 secondsthat's calah and also God's spirit
15:0315 minutes, 3 secondsthen why do we need to separate him from God? If God has no spirit then he would be dead which is quite impossible. And
15:1215 minutes, 12 secondsif he has no word he must be dumb which is also impossible.
15:1815 minutes, 18 secondsSo it's not a problem for us because uh to call Jesus the son of God which I know you would not accept but it's not a
15:2515 minutes, 25 secondsproblem for us to say this because as it says in the Quran that Jesus is God's word
15:3215 minutes, 32 secondsuh he in other words he speaks and he is also God's spirit Allah and I would also
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondslike to say finally then I'll sit down that you can talk as much as you like about Christianity but it is a personal
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsexperience of the living God. And when Jesus ascended to heaven, he sent the spirit of God down for all people. And
15:5615 minutes, 56 secondsunless you have that spirit inside you, you can talk as much as you like about Christianity, but you will not know God
16:0416 minutes, 4 secondsin the way Christians claim. And that's all I can say. Thank you for listening.
16:1016 minutes, 10 secondsAnd uh as I say, may we go our different ways in peace. Thank you.
16:2016 minutes, 20 secondsUh theologically uh our questioner Christian brother has put so many things
16:2816 minutes, 28 secondsbut in essence if I'm correct that the Quran describes Isaam as the word of God
16:3616 minutes, 36 secondsand as the spirit of God and you can't separate the spirit from God. In other words, he is God. Am I correct in my assumption? That's it.
16:4916 minutes, 49 secondsYou see, we seem to have a little broader understanding this word of God that he is the word.
17:0117 minutes, 1 secondChapter 3 verse 45.
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsSo behold the angel said, "Oh Mary, Allah gives you glad tidings of a word from him.
17:2017 minutes, 20 secondsHis name will be the Messiah and so on and so on." He is a word from Allah.
17:2717 minutes, 27 secondsWhat is a word? The Christians say the word of God is God.
17:3317 minutes, 33 secondsHis understanding is that the word of God is God.
17:3817 minutes, 38 secondsThe Hindus, my ancestors, they say that the word of God is God.
17:4417 minutes, 44 secondsYou see, as such, he said, "How did God create this universe?" The Bible says in the book of Corinthians, I'm sure you know, you are
17:5317 minutes, 53 secondsnot a scholar, but you know, you are familiar with the Bible. In the book of Corinthians, it is said that by faith we know
18:0118 minutes, 1 secondthat the heavens and the earth we are created by the word of God and that the things visible came through the force invisible.
18:1218 minutes, 12 secondsIn the book of Genesis it says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and he said
18:2118 minutes, 21 secondsthe word is and he said let there be light. Let there be light. Four words.
18:2718 minutes, 27 secondsAnd there was light.
18:3018 minutes, 30 secondsSo everything that God created was by his word.
18:3518 minutes, 35 secondsBy his will is another word for we say by his will because God doesn't use words like I'm using now. You know word
18:4318 minutes, 43 secondsof mouth dependent upon my mouth, my teeth, my tongue, my larynx, my lungs
18:5118 minutes, 51 secondsand your ears. All these things is dependent on all these factors. No, the
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsword of God is his will. He created everything by his will and as such God Almighty created Jesus. It is not God
19:0719 minutes, 7 secondsbut it is his word. He said sun his word came into being. Moon, stars, heaven,
19:1619 minutes, 16 secondsearth, fish, foul, whatever he uttered actually what he willed they all came into being.
19:2419 minutes, 24 secondsBut now the word of God is not God.
19:2619 minutes, 26 secondsAccording to Islamic understanding, the word of God is his word. But it is not him.
19:3319 minutes, 33 secondsMy Hindu cousins they say the word of God is God. So when he said man, man is also God. Monkey. So we worship the
19:4119 minutes, 41 secondsmonkey. Elephant he worshiped the elephant. Everything is God's word. The cow, God said cow, he made the cow, we worship the cow because everything is God's word.
19:4919 minutes, 49 secondsWe say the word of God is not him. It is his. The difference is in your understanding. You say the word of God
19:5719 minutes, 57 secondsis God. You say no. The word of God is not God. It is his word. But it is not him. As my words are not me. I'm
20:0420 minutes, 4 secondsspeaking to you almost an hour now. And I can speak to you for hours.
20:1120 minutes, 11 secondsBut as I'm speaking to you, I'm not diminishing in size. And the same did.
20:1520 minutes, 15 secondsI'll get tired. I'm an old machine. But I can keep on talking. I can keep on talking thousands of words, millions of words, but you see me the same.
20:2720 minutes, 27 secondsWhy? Because my words are not me. If it was me, I'll start getting less and less. A molecule at 2, 5, 10, getting less.
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsSo it is in the understanding the Christian agrees that everything that God created was by his word. They are his words, but they are not him.
20:4920 minutes, 49 secondsThey make an exception that in the case of Jesus, it is him. See, they make an exception. He is the spirit. Yes. What did God breathe into Adam?
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondThe Bible says he breathed into him of his spirit. Did his spirit come out and go inside Adam? No. No. That means it is
21:1121 minutes, 11 secondshis his spirit, his creation. The angels are his spirits. They are not him. They are his but they're not him. Now that is our idea concept as given in Islam.
21:2421 minutes, 24 secondsJesus Christ is one of the mightiest messengers of God but he's not God and he's not the begotten son of God. He's
21:3121 minutes, 31 secondsnot the begotten son. See because the Christian in your catechism the Anglican and the Lutheran and the Presbyterian
21:3721 minutes, 37 secondsand the Roman Catholic they say Jesus is the only begotten son. Begotten not
21:4421 minutes, 44 secondsmade. You remember that sir? Begotten not made. So we asking the English man. You see he doesn't want to hear that.
21:5321 minutes, 53 secondsThe American I said he doesn't want to hear that. I'm asking you said begotten not made. I'm asking what are you trying to emphasize?
22:0322 minutes, 3 secondsWhat are you really trying to tell me?
22:0622 minutes, 6 secondsSee this young man here? Please stand up. Abdul Latif stand up. If I call you my son, do you mind it? No. You think
22:1422 minutes, 14 secondsyour mother will mind it? No, you don't mind me calling you my son, right? Sit down.
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondsBut now I'm visiting your house with some friends and I'm calling uh your mom. I said,
22:2922 minutes, 29 seconds"Look, where is Abdul Latif? My son." She says, "He's just gone to the shop.
22:3322 minutes, 33 secondsHe's going to buy some milk and presently you come. You return." So we embrace my son. Oh no, I love you
22:4122 minutes, 41 secondsso much and all that. Sit down. He said, "Sit down. Sit around." Now my companion who doesn't know of a relationship is asking me. He said, "Is he really your
22:5022 minutes, 50 secondsson?" So I said, "No, you see this young man, he loves me like a father, like a
22:5722 minutes, 57 secondsgrandfather, and I love him like my child. I call him my son. It is metaphorical.
23:0323 minutes, 3 secondsBut instead, if I said yes, he is my begotten son," the meaning changes. You know that
23:1323 minutes, 13 secondsYou know I'm swearing him the worst swearing [music] I can give him but in a beautiful language. He is my begotten son. Meaning I have something to do with
23:2023 minutes, 20 secondshis mother. And with Allah I haven't seen her what she looks like. What am I saying? He is my begotten son.
23:2823 minutes, 28 secondsSo he understands the meaning now. He said uncle what did you say? I said no I don't mean that.
23:3423 minutes, 34 secondsI said I don't mean that. But I'm still telling doesn't he look like my Ysef? My Ysef. Doesn't he look like him? What am
23:4323 minutes, 43 secondsI saying? I'm putting salt into the wound that he is an illegitimate child. He's not his father's child. He's mine. He is in common language a bastard.
23:5223 minutes, 52 secondsCan you see? I'm swearing him in the most beautiful language. I said when I'm cornered, I said I don't mean that. Then
24:0124 minutes, 1 secondI said, why do you why you say why do you say that? You say Jesus is the only begotten son. Begotten not made. Ask any
24:0824 minutes, 8 secondsEnglish man, any English- speakaking person who's a Christian, you say, "Begotten, not made." What are you trying to emphasize? What are you really
24:1624 minutes, 16 secondstrying to tell me? That Jesus was begotten, not made. Because in his book, the Bible, God has got sons by the tons.
24:2224 minutes, 22 secondsTons, you know, ton. 2,000 was a ton. I don't know whether you use that anymore.
24:2724 minutes, 27 seconds2,000 ton. You have God has got sons by the ton in this Bible. Book of Genesis chapter 6
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondsverse three it says and the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and they took them to wipe all that they chose.
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondsNext verse and when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men mean had interpass with them they b and bore
24:5124 minutes, 51 secondschildren to them they became great men of old men of renown. How many sons did he have? In the book of Exodus, God
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondssays, "Israel is my son, even my firstborn." In the book of Jeremiah, he said, "Ephraim is my son, [music] even my firstborn." In the New Testament, we
25:0725 minutes, 7 secondsare told, "As many as are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry, if you follow the will and plan of God, in the language of
25:1625 minutes, 16 secondsthe Jew, [music] you are a godly person, you are a son of God." Like that, God has got sons by the tongues. But you say
25:2425 minutes, 24 secondsno Jesus is not like that. He was begotten not made. So explain ask any
25:3325 minutes, 33 secondsquestion please explain and it is shattering. Allah is shattering. Therefore sad that is a bad fellow.
25:3925 minutes, 39 secondsYou point at accuse him and swear him he doesn't mind. He is he can take it. But I said look please explain. He's
25:4625 minutes, 46 secondsshattering your language. You said begotten not made. What are you really thanking? Tell me. Come on. Come on tell me. I said this is my begotten not made
25:5525 minutes, 55 secondsnot metaphorically but literally what am I saying?
25:5825 minutes, 58 secondsWhat am I saying? Words if they have any meaning what do they mean? Therefore Allah reacts very strongly in the Quran
26:0826 minutes, 8 secondsand they say that the merciful god has begotten a son is one of the most abominable assertion
26:1526 minutes, 15 secondsone can make. The worst swearing you can give Allah is this. Giving him an animal nature, the lower animal functions of sex. The worst swearing you can give
26:2426 minutes, 24 secondsAllah is this. Like the worst swearing I can give this young man is to say he is my begotten son.
26:3126 minutes, 31 secondsAt it the skies are ready to burst and the earth to split aunder and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin.
26:4126 minutes, 41 secondsThey should say that Alman the merciful God has begotten a son. Allah reacts strongly because words if they have any meaning, it means what it says. You're
26:5026 minutes, 50 secondsattributing to God and animal nature, the lower animal functions of sex. Allah reacts. But the unfortunate part [music] is that the Muslims, he doesn't know the Quran. He's sitting on his backside.
27:0227 minutes, 2 secondsAllah is being abused, sworn, but he doesn't go to rectify the brother.
27:0627 minutes, 6 secondsRectify him. You're not saying go and bash his head, kick him out of the country. Well, he's welcome.
27:1427 minutes, 14 secondsLet him come, talk to him, reason with him. He said, "Look, brother, you have misunderstood the whole thing. [music] Son of God is the commonest expression
27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsin the Bible." You know, God has got tons by the sons by the tongs in your Bible. Your Bible says, "And Adam, the
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondsson of God, doesn't it? Ask him, any Christian, how many son has God got?" He said, "One." I said, "Look, brother, you
27:3727 minutes, 37 secondsdon't know your Bible, man. You see, you are ignorant." Wah. He's ignorant. He's got one son. I said he's got them by the tons in your book. Tons.
27:4727 minutes, 47 secondsSo this is what I'm trying to do to educate the people. Look, this is how to talk and reason with people. Arm
27:5327 minutes, 53 secondsyourself. Allah is telling you ask him for his proof for his [music]
28:0128 minutes, 1 secondwhatever he can come. You explain from your book now and you see that there is no explanation. He has to listen to you.
28:0728 minutes, 7 seconds[music] At least you have done your duty. You have to deal with the message.
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내용 요약
1. 대속 교리 증언과 원죄에 대한 반박
미국인 기독교 강사 존 젝이 발언대에 나와 인간은 원죄로 인해 죄를 지을 수밖에 없는 존재이며, 예수 그리스도가 십자가에서 인류의 죄를 대신해 죽음으로써 죄의 무게에서 벗어나 구원의 확신을 얻게 되었다고 간증함
. 디다트는 이에 대해 에스겔 18장 20절("범죄하는 그 영혼은 죽을지라 아들은 아버지의 죄악을 담당하지 아니할 것이요")을 인용하며, 죄는 유전되거나 타인에게 전가되는 것이 아니라고 반박함
. 구원은 무고한 자의 피를 요구하는 것이 아니라, 죄인이 죄를 뉘우치고 의로운 행동으로 돌아서는 회개(Repentance)를 통해 이루어진다고 설명함 .
2. 아브라함의 희생 번제 사건 재해석
존 젝이 아브라함의 아들 번제 사건을 기독교의 '대속 희생의 모형'으로 제시하자, 디다트는 당시 고대 바빌로니아 일대의 인신공양 풍습을 지적함
. 신이 아브라함에게 요구한 것은 실제 인간의 피나 희생 제물이 아니라 신에 대한 완전한 순종과 복종의 의지였으며, 신은 무고한 생명의 희생을 원하지 않는다는 교훈을 보여준 드라마적 사건이라고 재해석함
. 아울러 희생의 대상이 된 외아들은 이스마엘이었음을 지적하며, 쿠란의 선언대로 예수 역시 십자가에서 살해되거나 처형되지 않았음을 누가복음 24장(부활 후 살과 뼈를 지니고 음식을 먹으며 유령이 아님을 증명한 예수)을 들어 변증함
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3. '말씀'과 '영'의 개념 논쟁
한 영국인 기독교인이 쿠란에서 예수를 '알라의 말씀(Kalimah)'이자 '영(Ruh)'으로 칭하고 있으므로 예수와 신을 분리할 수 없지 않느냐고 질문함
. 디다트는 신이 우주 만물을 창조할 때 "빛이 있으라"는 말씀(창조적 의지)으로 만드셨듯, 예수 역시 신의 '말씀'으로 창조된 피조물일 뿐 신 자체는 아니라고 설명함
. 아담에게 신의 영을 불어넣었다고 해서 아담이 신이 될 수 없듯이, 예수에게 깃든 영 역시 신의 창조물이라고 반박함 .
4. '독생자(Begotten Son)' 표현 비판
기독교 교리에서 예수를 '낳으신 바 된(Begotten)' 유일한 아들로 규정하는 교조적 표현을 강하게 비판함
. 성경 본문에는 이스라엘, 에브라임, 아담, 그리고 신의 영을 따르는 모든 의인을 가리켜 비유적으로 '하나님의 아들(Sons of God)'이라 부르는 용례가 수없이 등장함
. 그러나 기독교 교회가 이를 은유가 아닌 물리적·생물학적 의미가 내포된 '독생자(Begotten not made)'로 문자화하는 것은 신에게 하등한 피조물의 생식적 속성을 부여하는 심각한 신성모독이라고 규정하며 쿠란의 경고를 상기시킴
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평론
1. 기독교 구원론의 핵심(원죄와 대속)에 대한 정면 타격
이 토론은 기독교 신학의 가장 중심 기둥인 '원죄론'과 '예수 십자가 대속 교리'를 다룬다
2. 성경 내 다의적 개념에 대한 언어학적·맥락적 분해
'하나님의 아들', '하나님의 말씀', '영' 등 기독교가 삼위일체와 신성의 근거로 삼는 성경적 개념들을 유대교적·셈족어적 관용구 관점에서 해체한다
3. 대중 선동적 비유와 감정적 도발의 결합
디다트는 복잡한 신학 논쟁을 청중이 직관적으로 이해할 수 있는 일상적 비유(양아들과 친아들의 호칭 차이, 인간 발화의 한계 등)로 치환하는 탁월한 구술 능력을 발휘한다
4. 총평
본 녹취록은 서구 복음주의 기독교인들의 신앙 고백적 질문에 대해 디다트가 자신의 주무기인 성경 지식과 이슬람 일신교(타우히드) 신학을 결합하여 완벽하게 방어하고 역공을 펼치는 전형적인 디다트식 변증의 정수를 보여준다
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