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U G Krishnamurti Interviewed By Barbara Schuler of KAZU Radio in 1989. This Crystal Clear Audio is Available For YOU.
In This Long Interview U.G. Krishnamurti talks About Almost Questions Which can be asked and Possible Answers from UG.
Basic Questions Like - What is Purpose of Human Life ? , Answered By UG in Very Depth of Understanding ! It is Required By Viewer To Understand words of UG Krishnamurti.
Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti, famous around the world as simply U. G. Krishnamurti, gave the world a unique perspective about Enlightenment.
According to UG Krishnamurti, there is no such thing as philosophical enlightenment.
There are no philosophical questions to be asked and no intellectual answers to be given to those questions.
This enlightenment-negating thinker was born in India, on July 9, 1918.
UG Krishnamurti Says the concept of seeking the ultimate TRUTH is absurd, as he thinks there is nothing to seek. Nature will provide individuals with the solutions of all their problems; one just needs to embrace it in its entirety.
Many people also tried to regard him amongst the ‘enlightened ones’, but he insisted that he simply exists in what he called the ‘natural state’.
For him, the puzzling notions and ideas that people involve themselves into in the name of enlightenment are the only hindrance between them and being enlightened-if there is such a thing.
For U.G. Krishnamurti, the need to constantly change, to evolve, is not just impossible, but also a futile exercise. UG emphasized on the body and the soul being perfect the way they are.
To try to alter bodily actions is considered by him as a breach in the purity, peace and harmony of the body.
His concept of the mind and the psyche is only one of a kind. He believed that the psyche, or the mind, does not exist as a being, but rather it is a demand of the self to bring about a change in this world, or in itself. Self-consciousness for Krishnamurthi is a fascist force, one which only emphasizes on its own importance.
According to U. G.Krishnamurti, the business of GURUS and spiritual healers is booming because of people who are in search of answers to their pseudo questions of enlightenment and salvation.
The quest for these answers is instilled into them through an artificially created cultural environment.
The culture demands from people to conform while at the same time it asks them to be unique and special in their own way, infusing in people a constant need for so-called enlightenment which would bring out their exclusive character.
The gurus take advantage of this situation and promise of a way towards salvation, a journey by the end of which the puzzled individual will find answers to all his spiritual questions, leading him to the ultimate truth.
For him, the goal of enlightenment is unapproachable, and self realization is futile, because there are no goals and there is nothing to discover in the self. Whatever is happening in the world is just happening; there are no divine interventions and spiritual, mysterious connections behind the happenings of the world.
He liked to call himself ‘unrational’, as he totally negated the idea of employing rationality to answer questions of enlightenment.
He believed that humans are too busy trying to find the meaning behind things when there is none to be found. With his talks and words, he tried to wipe off from the minds of his followers previous concepts and cherished truths of history and society. He asked them to start anew, forgetting what has been taught to them all their lives.
UG denied the existence of spirituality in India, or of communism in Russia, or liberty in America. Instead, he asked his fellows to relate nothing to nowhere.
U.G. Krishnamurti died on March 22, 2007. All his life he worked towards completely erasing of the idea of questioning ones’ self, so that nothing stays behind but a smoothly operational biological mechanism, working with all its natural harmony and balance.
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started off with that when the tape was rolling my question is you mentioned before that humankind is no more
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important than the garden slug Eugene will you please comment on that but for some reason we are made to
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believe or we have accepted you see that belief passed
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on to us from generation to generation that we are here for some grander
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purpose but a low blood purpose other than this species on this planet you see so I maintain that we are here not any
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grander purpose other than the goddess like out there or the mosquito that is setting your blood
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if what we are told by a these biologists and revolutionary is
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there any such thing as an evolutionist I don't know those who have talked about the evolution
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I have made us believe that and we are told that if you look at this planet see
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and look at the animal species that we have what we have on this planet is only 1.5
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percent of what existed before and if you take the the plants into
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consideration you see okay what we have on this planet is only 0.5 you see what
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existed before and What Makes Us think that we are any more important and the human species is
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more important than the other species that have become extinct DC
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and what has made possible for us to survive and go on you see and give
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maintain this human species on this planet longer than is the thought you see that has made it
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possible only stay tuned longer than the other species and that may be thought
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has made it possible yes and maybe you see that that is our enemy
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thought is our enemy in the long run our belief hope faith in the thought
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that will help us to free us from the problems that thought has created
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will be just a wishful thinking I don't know how has thought made us live longer and if it has helped us to live longer
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as a species how can it be an impediment thought is a protective mechanism you
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see it is interested in protecting something who use thought for the purpose of maintaining we see
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the continuity of thought you see so anything that has come out of thought is protective in its nature you see it
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is not interested in protecting the life around it has separated us from the uh
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the the singleness you see of Life the singleness of the unity of life around
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us isolated us from the rest of the the species on this planet
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and it has given us the idea that we are something different that the whole thing
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is created for our purpose and we have a right he said to take advantage of this superiority of thought we have
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over others to do whatever we want to do we see on this planet I don't know if it makes any
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sense would it be possible to have thought without this idea that we can take
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advantage of nature so that is why I maintained and I very
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often say and the thought in its birth in its content in its expression and in its
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action is fascist it's very aggressive fascist yes I use the world fastest not
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really a sense the politicians use that word and talk about it it is very
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aggressive our very demand to understand the nature's laws is to use them
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for the purpose of maintaining the continuities although we say that it's
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all altruistic and that we are curious to know the loss of nature just for the
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sake of knowing but the very motivation the the drive behind our demand to understand the loss
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of natures to use them for the purposes of continuing
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the continuity of the human species at the expense of every other form of life on this planet how would the human
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species be if it did not have this kind of thought probably we would have become extinct in nature would have created a
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better form of human species on this planet it's anybody's guess you see
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I am not particularly fond of or uh
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let's see what's the word is here or um I don't need the right word I don't
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think particularly I am very proud of the human species on this planet not
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very proud you see we we would do anything that the animals would not do
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see that is the survival of one form of life another form of flight is effect in
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nature so but we
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think other species for an idea you see foreign
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ideas the whole Foundation of our culture or civilization
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um is built on the foundation of to kill and to be killed first in the
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name of God symbolized in the church and all the other religious institutions and in the name
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of political ideologies symbolized by state
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because the whole Foundation of culture is it is built on the foundation to kill and to be killed but of course
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we don't really admit that we say we say that we're we're our cultures are based
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on we are moving progressively in the direction of destroying everything you
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see you know we somehow have a tremendous faith that the thought that
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has helped us to create everything that you see and you are very proud of
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will help us you see to change the course of events this faith I am entail
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is misplaced me somehow we have a faith that this instrument which has helped us
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to be what we are today the mind your thoughts somehow will help us to create a better
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happier and life on this planet you see but how do we get I mean that's if we just headed
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down this path everything you discover is adding to the momentum of Destruction
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it would seem everything everything is because the the drive behind that is
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to use it for purposes of maintaining the continuity the status quo
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is there any possibility that the human species will figure that out in time and
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and I say slim to none we are doomless and
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as I said at the very beginning we are lost in the jungle we have tried every
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possible a means of Escape but still somehow there is a faint hope that maybe you see
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there is some way we can get out of the jungle but we just have to stand still
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and let things happen but how can we stand still you cannot stand still is
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you cannot stand still because of the fear that we are lost and that will be
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lost forever but we don't seem to have that the feeling that you see that there
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isn't a damn thing I'm sorry it is that for dance that we can do to get rid of
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this jungle are you do you stand still in this way yes certainly yes so then
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what is there takes over and probably will make you live in the midst of all
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these brutalities uh it's a life that has a charm of its
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own yes you are not in conflict with the society at all then you don't even want
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to change anything they demand to change is born out of
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this isolation you see so that when once you think that you can bring about a
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change in you the demand to change the world also is there
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see this human body is not interested in learning anything
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it is not interested in knowing anything all that is necessary for the survival
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of this living organism is already there it is there is a tremendous intelligence
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and all that we have gathered acquired through our intellect is no match to
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that but somehow the intelligence of the body the intelligence of the body see it knows you see so one of the things that
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I always emphasize and try to put across to those who are interested
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and listening to what I am saying is that the human brain is the is not
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interested in anything that we are interested in see they what the culture
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has imposed on us all the ideations and meditations
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it is so dull you will be surprised it is it's so it is not interested in any
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experience of any kind what it is interested in is to help the functioning
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of this body intelligently and insanely with the brain is the brain but
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unfortunately we have put that brain to use for which Nature has not intended yet you see so what it's not a Creator
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brain is not a Creator you see it is only a reactor it reacts to the stimulus
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see so the mechanism that we have there implanted as it were
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through our education through our culture or whatever you want to call it has turned that into
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or make us believe that it is a Creator you see all the thoughts that we are
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thinking or not self-generated they are not spontaneous they always come from outside
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and the brain is there only easy to translate the sensations and the
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translation that is necessary for the survival of this living organism it's
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not interested in any of the spiritual experiences you see anything the demand is interested mind quote and
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unquote I don't see a reminder there at all you see he's interested only in sensuality it is born out of sensuality
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it maintains its continuity in the field of sensuality so all religious
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experiences of any kind or essential in their nature this is
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only the mind that is interested in the spiritual experiences blessed love compassion truth reality and all kinds
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of things but the body the living organism is not interested in any of those things except to respond to the
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stimuli if the brain if the brain isn't creative is the intelligence of the body creative
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or is it just a response the creativity is totally unrelated you see to the
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creativity of Life creative I don't know if I make an understanding what's the
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source of creativity or is there even creativity there is no creativity in the sense in which we are using the world
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you see the creative language the creativity of thought the creativity of this that and the other is life is
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creative in the sense that it does not use any model
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you see anything we'd call Creative is a limitation copy of something that is
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already there it's the second hand you see so if something is created if it's
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not up to the point or what I don't see even any uh blueprint there is whatever
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blueprint is there is already there in this cell you see everything that is there now what you call you was there in
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a single cell everything is genetically controlled you
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see in that sense we don't seem to have everything everything is this genetics there's nothing there's nothing no
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little little shred of something that's not under this the idea that there is something that we can do to bring about
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a change in that you see and change in the world is placed his preced us in a
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situation where we are left with hope you see that somehow we can bring about
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a change here and a change around us yeah so we live in that hope and die in
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that hope is change possible even what kind of a change you are interested in the change is possible if you are not
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interested in the shape of my step nose you can go to a plastic surgeon and
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change it into an actual nose you see if it is fashionable to have a clean nose is it the word
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then there is a possibility of getting the help of a plastic surgeon or through
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genetic engineering it will be possible for us to bring about A change is in your behavior
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patterns you see so the nature if I I not that I have a special insight into
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the nature of things that I understand the workings of the nature more than anybody else this is what I have
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discovered for myself I don't care whether you accept I am saying or not it
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stands or false itself I don't care even with the biologists the psychologists the scientists you see
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University society and say oh this is absolute rubbish it's one of these days they are going to discover well what how
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does one Discovery you see this is the Discovery is not within the framework of
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thinking so in other words there is no such thing as Discovery Discovery is uh
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is this a wrong word because we use that word Discovery and here's the name of my radio show that's very interesting
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it's the wrong word you you experience thought you already
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know otherwise there is no experience at all there is no such thing as new
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experience the so-called Epoch making discoveries in the field of science are
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not really Epoch making discoveries you see they take for example the Newtonian
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physics it worked very well yes if some decades are probably centuries
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but that very Newtonian physics
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proved to be is a stumbling block for making a Quantum jump if I may use that
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word somehow you see somebody like Einstein
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was lucky if you take that leap and discover something different you see did
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he really discover something different actually it is not different you see unless you link up these two things
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you see the what was there before and what you think you have discovered
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there is no point you see in talking about that at all is it a scientist is interested in linking of these things
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and producing some results otherwise it has no value at all so the Newtonian
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physics is valid and functional and true within the framework of Newtonian
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physics but from what we have discovered is what somebody else has helped us to
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discover that there is such a thing as a relativity this becomes
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not so true not so well it is but it is still within the framework of the
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scientific thinking of man and we admire all these people and reward them with
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prestigious honors Nobel Prize this that and the other because of the technology it has become
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possible through the discoveries of these people you see so otherwise there
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is no such thing as true Discovery there is no such thing as pure science at all I may be making a lot of dogmatic
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statements but my statement stand or fall by themselves but there must be if
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you say there must be there may not be then where do we go from there may not be if we use another word than describe
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it is there some is there something you you apparently have had some experiences that help you to see this more clearly
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how how does that well maybe you can talk about your experience yeah I very often and
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always invariably use the word stumbled into you see so somehow
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somewhere along my Discovery journey of discovery it
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occurred to me that this instrument which we have been using what we call intellect is not really the instrument
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to understand anything [Applause] but I was very clear that is in the only
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instrument there is the intellect and there is no other instrument you see
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so what the whole process of our Discovery is nothing but
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you see improving that which is instrument improving the
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airlines yes intellect sharpening that instead that's all that is there you see so this has not helped me to understand
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the living problems of my life you see you know understanding
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myself and the world around this except that
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this is not the instrument and there is I don't know I am not able to complete even sentences it doesn't matter
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so this is not the instrument and there is no other instrument this understanding dawned on me that this is
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not the instrument and there is no other instrument the human being does not possess an instrument to understand
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there is no instrument to understand anything other than through the help of this instrument and there is no other
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instrument so that knocks off the whole Foundation of intuitions or any other way of understanding the reality is
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around you and there is nothing to understand so that is why I maintain
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that there is no such thing as reality at all let alone the Ultimate Reality
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you have no way of experiencing the reality of anything
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what are we expecting the reality that we have taken for granted we don't experience anything what other than what
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we know so we just experience it's a repetitive process you see experiencing
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the same thing over and over and over again so that is why we are bored you
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see so hoping one day you will find something extraordinary some new experience the
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moment you say that's something which I have not experienced before there's a
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new experience means that it is already part of the past experiencing mechanism
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are you bored ug uh you see the the boredom is there only
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when you think that there is something more interesting more purposeful more meaningful that you
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can do than what you are doing and you don't feel that you don't feel that so you can't that's all that is there for
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me how did you get to this point I wish I wish I knew that's why it's the word I
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just stumbled into there is no way there is no way I can
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communicate this to somebody you see so anybody who comes and listens to me and
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tries to understand what I'm trying to put across is wasting his time because
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there is no way you can listen to anything without interpretation
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you see The Interpreter is the reference point that is not you you are the
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product of the totality of all the thoughts experiences and feelings of
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every form of life that existed before you so it is interesting
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in maintaining its continuity it is interested in maintaining its status so
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it does not want any change it says that it wants to be changed and the change
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that it is interested in is only to maintain its continuity its status quo
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the change it is interested in but things are changing so constantly
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that he does not want easy to accept anything that will disturb its status quo so the reference point is
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strengthened and fortified by interpreting what I am saying to you or not to anybody
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is completely stuck but we don't want to accept that any attempt on your part to
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get out of that trap in which you find yourself is the strengthening the
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shackles so there is no way out so we have to accept that we're stuck accepting means that you are sick and
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tired of doing anything but it does not really mean anything so we don't we have
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to we have to not need purpose in life why do we look for a purpose why why
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that's a good question why do we you tell me why why should there be any meaning
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you see the meaning in the question how to live is a totally unrelated seriously
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functioning of this living God it is living all the time you see so it doesn't have to ask the question how to
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live so how to live is superimposed on this and the search for meaning is is
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absurd obviously you do not see any meaning you do not see any purpose in life obviously you don't see
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this is to me to ask that question he is so silly so meaningless so absurd what
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is the meaning of life you see it is not the life that we are really interested in this in the
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living see the problem of living has become a very tiring uh business for us to live
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in this world to live with somebody else to live with our feelings to feel live
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with our ideas you see that is the the in other words it's the value system
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that we are thrown into you see the value system is false it's
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like glue all over yes and so we are trying to fit ourselves into that value
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system you see which is totally false and it is falsifying you you are not
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ready to accept that that is falsifying you so you you throw in lot of energy
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into this business of fitting yourself into that frame how does one get to the
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point where they're willing to accept that this is false I'm going to jump in here because this
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conversation is going so rapidly it's hard to find a break I'm Barbara Rose Schuler you're listening to Discovery for those of you that may have just
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tuned in this is ug krishnamurti a conversation with Yuji
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krishnamurti not j krishnamurti a man who um comes to the Monterey Bay Area from time
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to time and talks informally with a group of people and we had an opportunity to record a conversation
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with him which you are hearing tonight on Discovery this is a 90.3 FM Kazu will continue now
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with our conversation with Yuji krishnamurti how impressed that you want to know from
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somebody so asking this question is is adding momentum to that you see no no
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and to know you see that's why we always ask the question how how means you want to know
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so what is there what you call you as you experience yourself you as you know
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yourself is the momentum of that knowledge that is passed on to us you see it it asks
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this question you think it's a very intelligent question and you demand an answer to that question and through that
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it wants to know how to add momentum to that you see so it's a trick it's the
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false thing no idiot knows that that is the way it can add momentum to that it
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is not you because you don't exist you see there is no individual there at all the culture the society or whatever you
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want to call it has created you and me for the sole purpose of maintaining its
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own continuity you see so at the same time we are made
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to believe that you have to become an individualistic these two things you see
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created the neurotic situation for us so there is no such thing as an individual
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and there's no such thing as the freedom of action I'm not talking of a fatalistic philosophy or any such thing
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so it is this that is frustrating us you see the demand
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to fit ourselves into that value system which is using tremendous amounts of
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energy and there is nothing we can do and we
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to deal with the living problems here because all the energy is consumed by the demands of the culture Society or
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whatever you want to call to fit you into that framework or the valley system so we are not left with any energy to
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deal with the problems these problems are very simple living problems are very simple in what way
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to survive in this world is is not a difficult problem it's easy
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but what is demanding is is the value system
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is we have to fit ourselves into the valley system that is consuming tremendous amount what happens if we
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don't if we just don't if we choose not to you seem to know choose to fit yourself into the values I
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am not in conflict with the society you see you seem to be in conflict with the society I am not because it can't be
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anything different since you have found out in a way that there is no way you can bring about a
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change you want to bring about a change in the world you see the problem is the problem of
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relationships you know it is just not possible to establish any relationship
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with anything around you including this in the near and dear ones
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except on the level of what do you get out of this relationship you see so the whole thing Springs
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from this separation or whatever word the isolation that the human beings live
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in today see so we are isolated from the rest of the creation rest of life you
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see around us and so we all live in a individual
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friends you see we try to establish relationship on on what level you see on
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the level of what do I get out of this relationships so we use others to fill
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this void that is created as a result of UCF or isolation you see
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you know I don't know if that's clear this emptiness this
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void we always want to feel uh with all kinds of relationships
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around with people around us so that is really the problem here so we have to
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use everything we have to use an idea you have to use is a person you have to
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use um anything you can get hold of to establish relationships with others
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without relationship you are lost you see so you don't see any meaning you don't see any purpose
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because your only interest is to create a purposeful meaningful relationship
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with the individuals and the world around you and to understand the reality in the
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world you see so it is there is nothing to understand there is no such thing as reality at all I have to accept the
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reality of the world as it is imposed on me by the society say call you a woman I call this avenge I call it it's a trail
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otherwise you see um we we will not be able to function in
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this world sanely and intelligently this is this can be used only for the
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purposes of functioning in this world sanely and intelligently but anything
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you do to understand the reality of the world is not going to be useful helpful and meaningful Richie how
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how are you and I different in perception how are you and most of the people you contact is there a difference
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you see the thought that I am different from you never never enters my head
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so it is the thinking that separates you you see and tells you that you say I am
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different from you that I am functioning differently from you you and I are
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functioning exactly the same way but I have um yes you want to know you want to
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know it is like a computer it says with an extraordinary intelligence the way that tape recorder is is functioning
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there but it never asks the question how am I functioning what it needs is only the energy there is the electricity is
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necessary for that but here you see the energy is part of life expression of life is the energy is already there but
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you are all the time asking questions the thought that I am different from you never enters my head at all so if you
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ask me the question are you not different from me all the knowledge that I have that separates you and me is
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already there in the computer it tells me that you say you are a woman I am a man you are more intelligent than I am
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and a whole lot of series of ideas that are put there in the computer that's all
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you see so your question brings the knowledge that is there
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is installed in the computer here you see so these are the two computers
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talking but you want to introduce an element which is not part of the functioning of this living organism and
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begin to think that there must be some something different here I don't know so it's nice I'm making the
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separation you are making the separation the very question is it separates us
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because all the there are no questions at all all the questions are born after
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the answers so we already have so we should be there in silence probably
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do you think that silence as a means of understanding is the game of all these religious people see through silence I
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am communicating something you see in their silence no communication is necessary
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what's that what's the nature of intelligence what does that word mean to you yeah the only meaning that I can come up with
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is what we find in the dictionary
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are there levels of intelligence for you is it Greece you are more intelligent than I am yeah and it's because of our
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background and our hereditary differences is there a higher
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intelligence um you are more intelligent than I am you see this is something which can be
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measured you see we have certainly hot sticks in the world it says that you are more intelligent than I am that that's
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that's acceptable to me but any attempt on my path to improve it to change it to
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modify it you said make it better is the one that is consuming tremendous
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amounts of energy that's all you see then what you are left with is something extraordinary
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it is not interested in comparing this with your intellect or anything
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it's not a question of settling for it or accepting it you see that that I am a
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low-grade you see that I mean in Brazil acts and acceptance is not the
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word when once it is a fact that it is not moving in the direction of improving
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changing evolving into anything different better then what is there is something
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extraordinary foreign
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foreign
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there is nobody like you anywhere in this world nobody you see I am talking
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physiologically see you know so that we ignore and try to put
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everybody in a common mood and create his
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what we call is the Society of the greatest common factor is all that
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you are trying to emphasize and educate them and fit them into the value system if that value system does not work
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naturally is the Revolution take place the whole idea of restructuring is nothing but is a revaluation of the old
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value system Revolution only means revaluation of our value system
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so it's the same thing the same thing after a while it settles down and then they go at it again they go at it again
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there's no improvement there is a this light slight improvements because
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that's where there's hope basically modified continuity of the same you see you know but if there's a if there's
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with this modified modified continuity so it's not it's not much improvement and in that process what Horrors we have
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committed you see you know yes yes is it really worth all that you see you
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know it doesn't seems that doesn't seem so if after killing so many people you go back to the same system the same
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technique what's the point it will go on that way sorry I was going
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to ask about death since we came up to that point what's what is death is there anything nature there is no such thing
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as death but reshuffing of atoms you see you see what happens the balance of
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energy in nature has to be maintained for some reason I don't know why
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so death occurs only when there is a need for the atoms to maintain the balance of
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energy in the universe so it's nothing but a reshuffling of atoms so this
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organism has no way of finding out that it was born at a particular point and
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going to die at another point and that this is living at this moment and not
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dead you see because the knowledge we have of living organism okay birth
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death and all that is absent here is so you're saying you can't know whether you're alive or dead not every no way no
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way if you ask me a question are you alive I would say I'm alive see because the question is born out of
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the idea that how you see a living human being
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functions acts and does things you see that is the idea so naturally if you ask
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me a question are you alive or dead I would say I am very much alive because
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that question brings all the knowledge brings all the knowledge out the time we
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have about to see the behavioral patterns of a living human being but we have no way of experiencing the fact
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that this is a living thing foreign
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understanding of that minus the thoughts the the heart does Not For a Moment know
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that it is pumping blood he's not asking the question am I doing it right am I
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not doing it right you see it is no it's just functioning you see it doesn't ask the question is there any
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purpose you see to me that question has no meaning you see to me it has no meaning is there any meaning is there
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any purpose so that takes away you see the uh the living quality of the life
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you are living in a world of ideas you see nobody would ask this question what
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would happen to me after my death is there life after death you see it that's a big question that everyone wants to
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know is there life after death what survives after death you see anything I say would not be of much interest to the
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to the people when people ask me is there any such thing as reincarnation my answer is that there is reincarnation
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for those who believe in it and there is no reincarnation for those who do not believe in it it's not a
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clever answer because it is that is happy it is belief
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but if you ask the question uh is there any such thing as
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reincarnation as the other laws in nature you see like gravity my answer would be positive definite no
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it's not as much part of nature as is gravity but if you want to believe that
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it is so it's a different matter so this is born out of the demand
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you see that something will continue after your so-called death you see it is
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the same mechanism that wants to know what will happen after death because for
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exactly the same reasons why you are asking the question is there a meaning is there any purpose of life you see so
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for some reason you see that mechanism that moment of thought does not want to
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come to an end but you have seen people dying there you see so there must be something you see that
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we live after so the the belief that there is a center here that there is a
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spirit here that there is a soul here uh he is responsible for the belief that
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there must be something Beyond this so if you want to know if there is anything
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beyond you have to die now you see so even the question or the
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belief about that comes to an end the death will take place here the
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clinical death will take place here then the question whether there is after life
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will not at all arise because it has no way of knowing that it is alive and yet
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you said that those who believe in reincarnation will link them to this they believe it
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has to go the end of the belief is death
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you see the death ends all beliefs defense
41:42
you can replace one belief with another belief you see one illusion with another illusion that's all that we are doing
41:53
isn't that enough I have some more questions
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the answers will be the same I think so I wanted to ask about about love we've
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talked about that I know it oh my God what is what does people talk about love
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they talk about love what do you think I don't I don't know I don't know
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there must be two you see I love somebody and somebody
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else loves me wherever there is a division there can't be any love let's
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see you see we are trying to bridge this Gap
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which is horrible for us which has no meaning which is demanding you see
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something from us with this fancy idea that there must be a love between these
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two individuals or between whatever reason whatever I love my country I love my dog I love my wife and what else
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so is there what is the difference between I love my wife and I love my country and I love my dog
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it may sound very cynical to you the fact of the matter is that there is no difference
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do you love your country I love my country there is war you see so so there is no love
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is another one of these thought things yes created by thought about the body
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can the body now love it does not love itself
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diplomatic answers and why we are asking about that he says well obviously human
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beings obviously our relationships are not so
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loving so we want to somehow is make that into a loving Affair you see a
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loving relationship an amount of energy you are putting into that making our
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relationship a loving things it's a battle it's a war
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it is like preparing yourself all the time for war hoping that it says that
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there will be peace Eternal peace so you are tired of this battle you see
44:29
you settle for that horrible non-living non-loving relationship and hope and
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dream one day it will be easier nothing but love love thy neighbor as
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thyself and in that name how many millions of people have been killed more
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than these two recent Wars put together you see how can you do that love the
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neighbor is thyself it's just not possible you can't it's impossible for any human obviously otherwise why so
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many people women children helpless people well but there are also some good neighbors you know yes yes
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foreign
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ideal relationship between two individuals what we are left with is hate
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how can that be turned into hate if not hate is it is a antipathy or about other
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words and my vocabulary that's good enough
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what about sexuality is that just a reproductive function or does it have some research reality if it is left to
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itself as it is in the case of other species other forms of life it's a
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biological needs because the sleeping organism
45:53
has this auditory produce one like this you see to survive and to
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reproduce anything you see for impose on that is totally unrelated to the living
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organisms because we have turned that case what
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you call sexual activity which is a biological one in its nature
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or into a pleasure movement I'm not saying anything against pressure moment it has become possible for us to have
46:25
sex at any time we want through the help of thought so that's one of the ways that thought
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has separated us yes then you see it's a bore again so we
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have to write books like the joy of loving you see Kama sutras and all kinds
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of things make it uh interesting you see so yeah it is not possible for animals
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to have sex at any time they want animals use that only for pre-production not
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that they use it is there for the purposes of reproducing species like that not as a pressure moment I'm not
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saying anything against a prayer moment I am not interested in saying that you should condemn that you see or become
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promiscuous or use sex as a means of spiritual attainments no it is
47:19
a very simple functioning of the living organism and
47:24
the religious man turned that easy into something big and concentrated on the
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control of sex and after that is a psychologists you see I have turned that
47:35
easy into something extraordinary all commercialism easy you see related to
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that sex how do you think it it will fall into its proper place it is gone
47:46
kids used to sell cars I'm not against that you see please don't get me wrongly
47:52
I'm just pointing out the use we are putting that is a simple biological
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functioning in to use see you know that's all the time point you know I'm
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not condemning it it's there you see so to talk of that as an expression of love
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has no meaning to me there's no relation between love and sex no that's pretty devastating most of the
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world we would love to put it that way because
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it's very comforting you see if it is only for that purpose as you put it it's
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a devastating situation not only a statement this is a situation and it wouldn't be so much
48:35
horrible as the way you would love to put it but it it will fall into its
48:41
proper place so that is why we have invented all these things the god the truth reality
48:47
ultimate pleasure you see that's quite as a goal isn't it whether you are here
48:54
or in Russia or anywhere else you see the one thing that anybody and everybody
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wants in this world is to have happiness without one moment of Happiness pleasure
49:08
without faith it is just not possible because this living organism does not
49:15
know what pleasure is What happiness is if the organism does not know what
49:20
pleasure is it doesn't want even it doesn't want something but it doesn't because you see all these pleasurable
49:26
Sensations uh the moment it is a pleasurable sensation the demand to extend it you
49:33
see longer and longer
49:39
we're going to turn over the tape now for those of you who have just tuned in you are listening to Kazu this is an
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interview with ug krishnamurti Brahman a man from India
49:51
who has gone through some interesting experiences in his life has some
49:57
different views I would say we're coming to the conclusion of this interview and
50:03
at that time I'm going to turn over the program well I'm going to turn over the microphone to Jeff Helwig and let him
50:10
begin his own program a little early here now is the conclusion of the interview the conversation with Yuji
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krishnamurti that is why there is this tremendous frustration there we want to make it
50:24
possible for everybody that is you should always be happy and that you
50:30
should have only at the pleasant Sensations and pleasurable Sensations and not painful it may be possible
50:37
through some drugs like Ecstasy but for how long what what does it do to our
50:42
nervous system to strive in the long run it destroys the sensitivity how does it do that what's what's the you are not in
50:50
living touch with anything there so it's separating us from nurturing us
50:57
in a natural way natural way [Applause]
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I need I want to ask you ask your personal experiences and I know you you don't want to talk but there's
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very often people ask the question is whatever has happened to me has happened
51:15
despite everything I did some of the biographers who are keen on
51:20
writing the The Story of My Life very anxious to know you see what I did what
51:27
I did not do what helped me to stumble into this kind of thing assuming for a
51:32
moment that some event in my life some occurrence in my life some happening in
51:37
my life which put me into where I am today is is uh is something valid and true it
51:46
is valid and true do you have to accept my word if you don't accept no it doesn't matter to me so whatever
51:52
happened before that all the events in my life before that
51:58
is you have no relevance to the way I am functioning yes and from that moment on
52:03
there is no story to tell I am here today talking to you tomorrow I'll be there somewhere else talking to my
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friends the day after tomorrow I will be in England that's all you see so there is nothing that anybody can tell
52:17
anything about me after that you see it's just I am a public man I am here any moment you want you can see what I
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am doing all the 24 hours you see I have no private life of my own anytime you
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want to see what is easy is doing that particular time a particular situation
52:35
you you can see that so there is no story to tell so that is
52:40
the reason why I maintained that he said despite everything I did whatever has happened to me has happened but you are
52:47
interested in finding out how and why that particular thing I am talking about
52:53
has happened to me and not to everybody so you want to establish a cause and even relationship and make it possible
53:00
for everybody to stumble into this kind of thing so this is something which
53:05
cannot be produced reproduced on an assembly line yes this is the
53:11
freak of nature but but it would it would be interesting to know what what the freak of nature
53:17
was in your case even if you even wanting to understand this he has no meaning to uh to you just leave it there
53:25
you see there's so many freakish things there in nature but if you try easy to copy it you see you are lost you are in
53:32
the same situation as before you see sure so even Nature has no use for this
53:38
it has discorded it so it is because it cannot reproduce something like this either physically or otherwise so you're
53:45
a Discord of nature discarded nature so how can you turn this into your model that's what we have done all those discordant people who have discarded
53:51
them for good good how many how many I don't know you probably can count on your fingers the people that have had
53:58
this I don't know I can't say I'm not interested in saying anything about them
54:04
see you now so what about what about all of the the
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religious ideas throughout the ages the spiritual ideas is there any tradition that that you know of besides I I can
54:18
say one thing and you see all that is false as far as I'm
54:24
concerned and falsified me so don't ask me the question how can all of them be
54:30
false you see no that's not the point it I I don't want to be falsified this
54:37
because that's not the way I functioned you see you know I wanted to relate you
54:43
see whatever was their state of being the way I was functioning and that
54:48
struggled and struggled and struggled so hard these these struggles it got me nowhere you see so there is no way you
54:55
can reject it because you see that created you you see which which created
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me the word the value system has created you and so there is no way you can free yourself from that easy anything you do
55:08
to free yourself from that value system is adding momentum to that this this is
55:14
the one thing that never occurred to me at that time see what I was saying a while ago thought cannot be used as an
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instrument it can you can use it to control if you shape it moved it you see but you
55:29
have no way of freeing yourself from that true thought so even the idea that you should control your thought to be in
55:37
a thoughtless state to be in a peaceful state is created by this thought so that it
55:43
can maintain its continuity through some petty little experiences some of those thoughtless states
55:50
of higher Consciousness that people speak of or just if there is any such thing is you are an
55:58
expression of that so you why should nature or something some cosmic power if there is one in
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this world is there one use USA read the help of somebody
56:13
as an instrument is a to to express that and help others I I
56:19
don't see any point you are as if there is any such thing as that you are as
56:24
much an expression as any of these claimants to that cosmic power and as
56:31
instruments of that power channeling that power you see to help people in this world I don't see
56:38
every dog every cat every pig that you see the gardens like there you me and
56:44
everybody is every even changes can't hit the expression of that same thing you see so he may have acted in a
56:51
different way even I act in a different way but we are all expressions of the same thing and there is no need for that
56:58
to use any channel you see other than you you are an
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expression of practices so I even questioned the Consciousness itself there are no such thing as Consciousness
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at all let alone higher Consciousness super Consciousness Cosmic Consciousness it is all created by thought
57:17
so we were discussing this morning Consciousness is the concepts you become
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conscious of things only through the help of knowledge I become conscious of
57:30
you only through the knowledge that I have which is given to me which is passed
57:36
down to me the fact that I say that you are a woman that you are a very intelligent woman that you are a pretty woman all this is part of that knowledge
57:44
otherwise I am not separated from you you see so there is no way I
57:51
can look at you and say anything about you you see the eyes
57:57
act as cameras you see the the objective there is efficient objects then you you
58:04
catch me there it's a reflection of whatever is there on this retina that's all
58:10
so there's no way of you and of you perceiving anything except through knowledge really and knowledge creates
58:17
images you see you know so there is no way this physical functioning can create
58:25
an image there the moment I turn this side you see the whole thing is wiped out I disappear you disappear it's
58:32
because the eyes are looking at her you see so he asks me is he wasn't she
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pretty you see I say pretty it's a word you see not the image you understand huh
58:43
she's very sharp I will talk about you in words it's a word picture but the
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images are physical images are totally absent so the so-called psychological images have no place there in the scheme
58:56
of things I don't know if you're making myself clear so you see the eyes are like a camera if
59:02
you turn the camera it is looking at something else you see so this is wipe now but what is there in the computer
59:10
it's only the word picture probably the sounds now you see they are dictating to the computer
59:17
see and they have the problem of accent also the Indian is speaking with an Indian accent is the computers will have
59:23
difficulty for some time then they will learn the accent so you don't have to type it easy so
59:30
that's the way the sounds are registered there in the computer the the word picture is there that's all
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I give a word picture not create the image because the image this is it's not
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focused on that so the problem is is very simple if you can how you look like
59:48
I have no way of creating the image inside of me so it's this to be a problem
59:53
you know I met you see an extraordinarily intelligent woman a pretty woman but what does it mean you
1:00:00
see my daughter sometimes asks me is I am your daughter what does it mean it doesn't mean I think to me
1:00:06
so if you if I happen to be next to you and if somebody asked me who is she this
1:00:12
is my daughter I say my daughter that's whatever the the dictionary means the value system that we value the image we
1:00:18
have it's a superimposed on that word that is really the problem so the
1:00:24
physical images have to go first there's no way that you can
1:00:29
do anything nothing not a thing
1:00:35
what is physical what's what's this what's the matter you don't even know I know I don't I'm asking you how would
1:00:40
you describe that this is the same word you see that you use this is a hand this is my hand but what's matter what's
1:00:47
basically yes no matter at all the matter is thought you see if you touch this the sense of touch does not say
1:00:54
that this is a heart so when Once the the knowledge I have
1:00:59
about this the past knowledge I say it is hot because that thought
1:01:05
creates a space here and that's what is the knowledge I have about it [Applause]
1:01:13
just need some water no but what what for this matter is matter
1:01:20
what is matter you want a definition sure thought creates matter
1:01:27
that's what I was wondering that's what I'm saying so thought thought is madness so if if we obliterated thought matter
1:01:33
would go too all definitions are of no interest to you because what is there is energy
1:01:39
you see that I am a free man that I have discovered and that I am going to free
1:01:44
you all no nothing nice
1:01:51
um we were talking about matter matters created by thought if we didn't think God is matter thought is the
1:01:58
matter what about the dogs who don't have thought what about the flowers probably they have something kind of a
1:02:04
thought I don't know you see but ours has become very complex your skin complicated so is there thought that's
1:02:10
not human thought that's part of this matter there is no thought there are only thoughts there is there you see
1:02:17
that's what is that a thought there in you the question is
1:02:23
there a thought at the very beginning I said the brain is not a creator
1:02:29
the thoughts are not spontaneous you see they come from outside yes so
1:02:37
you translate that particular noise with the help of is the the memory which is
1:02:44
neurons they tell you you recognize that's all there is to it but there are
1:02:51
no thoughts very about thoughts it's all that is there
1:02:56
the information what is thought the we asked that question because the
1:03:02
assumption that there is a thought which you want to know about is other
1:03:08
than what you know about thought so what is there he is only about thoughts all
1:03:14
the definitions that is matters it is the statement which is no meaning at all
1:03:19
Often by itself all this matter has no meaning there's no meaning at all you see I have
1:03:26
explained why why thought is matter because it's a physicist we don't care
1:03:32
for the physicists what do we care for them the state the noble glorious they will
1:03:39
get trees for against this they also say the scientists also say there is no such thing as thought there is no such thing
1:03:45
as mad no there is no such thing as matter there is no such thing as the space there is no such thing as a time but
1:03:52
what is called time space continuum Continuum is necessary for them otherwise the whole research collapses
1:04:00
no there is no space there is no way you
1:04:06
can experience the space so it's the thought that creates anything you say about space there's no meaning
1:04:13
there is no way you can experience space at all
1:04:18
you know so you can say thought there is no space
1:04:23
there is no matter there is no time on his face first you create the thought create space you see and then
1:04:31
time is necessary to cover the distance you see to experience the space to catch
1:04:36
your space to do something with space so then time comes in there is no time the only time is there that is arbitrary
1:04:44
it is 11 pm here 11 A.M somewhere else we are 20 hours behind if you travel you
1:04:50
see you miss one day you gain one day all our ideas of time even chronological
1:04:56
time changes you see it's arbitrary all measurements are arbitrary
1:05:02
we accept them as workable that's all I say boy little boy asked why should two and two before that's a good question
1:05:09
yes he said he brought four apples or four mangoes four oranges CC and four rupees no I'm not interested in that
1:05:15
he's their number two without one is there one without two or don't ask those questions he said
1:05:22
and that's the end of our mathematics so arithmetics so we I take it for granted the two and
1:05:28
two four if you ask me in four dollars I can't give you four dollars that's all or four rupees or four rubles
1:05:37
depending upon where I happen to be at that particular time yes so even
1:05:43
there in that area of accounting is there is always a reference point you see when somebody cuts the price of a
1:05:50
particular thing if you always think in terms of the currency you are familiar with
1:05:56
evenly the the valuation of a thing is there is a reference point there the
1:06:02
reference point is the dollar or the rupee or the found as the case may be so there's always the reference point there
1:06:10
so is there matter is there space this is not metaphysics that I'm talking
1:06:16
about much less worldly physicists are talking about the impossibility
1:06:22
of experiencing the space because without thought there is no way
1:06:29
what you call you can be suffered what you call you is the thought
1:06:35
there is no you there other than this demand to experience peace
1:06:41
or matter our matter is the case maybe or time you see you created the timeless
1:06:49
you know all achievements are in time let's see where these thoughts come from
1:07:00
spear we are functioning but one question for which I don't ask that
1:07:06
question because there's no point in posing that question to myself nor am I interested in finding out the answer for
1:07:12
that question is that is it always from outside passed on
1:07:18
from generation to generation or they are also transmitted through the genes I
1:07:24
have every reason to believe that the totality of knowledge is not
1:07:29
only transmitted through our education which is of all forms shapes and sizes
1:07:35
and decrease but also to a greater extent through genes now they are saying that the capacity to
1:07:44
learn not only languages but a language is genetically controlled
1:07:50
what do you think of the work that scientists are doing on genetic engineering I am all for it but if it is
1:07:58
handed over to the state they will use it to make people do things
1:08:05
without any resistance now you have to educate them teach them patriotism make
1:08:10
them salute the flag and go to the field use guns and hear nothing it takes
1:08:16
decades to brainwash the people either to believe in God or not to believe in God to believe in democracy to believe
1:08:23
in communism but there you don't have to do a thing just give a drug they will go
1:08:28
and kill even there you see when first one is all that is a problem you see
1:08:34
their non is killing is a simple you ask any murderer first time you have this
1:08:39
problem of keeping from then on it's easy you act like a machine gun kill people
1:08:45
you see thoughtless action so this is the basic question which we
1:08:51
all have to ask and should be interested in is what kind of a human being you
1:08:58
want on this planet what kind
1:09:03
what do you want a human being to be what is your answer whatever you want
1:09:10
can be created through the help of Jesus rather than through this process of
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educating people this it takes years and years and years to make him believe something and free him from something
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else if there is a Tendencies towards alcoholism there is a tendency
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to smoke if there is a tendency to thieve it's a lot easier
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you see to change that for whatever reason you say you know that individual
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and free him from Evil Tendencies is there any such a thing rather than you
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see giving lectures on morality and teaching him ethics it takes years so
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the the change can happen through biological but when once you see the
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knowledge acquired by these genetics whatever you call them he's passed on to
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the state we are in trouble facility State patronage is necessary for them it
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doesn't seem likely that it's not going to become a state function it really you see they will hand it over you see the
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at least someplace yes everywhere why some place if you don't do it some other country will do it
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so but you're saying that there is a that you have these evolution possible through is there any such thing as
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Evolution even that I question yes on the wrong track
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you see 12 characteristics are not transmitted from generation to generation but that
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is not so now it's over 100 years we believe that is you know 100 years we
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believe the theories of Freud you see but uh people for thousands of years
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there's been an acceptance but now we think that changing so fast that you will not be able to keep Pace with them
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there's a tremendous um Communications we have the systems we
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have you you know whatever is happening here um is happening everywhere not actually
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happening they are able to see what is happening here what is happening there in Bangladesh you know time and the time
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factor is reduced through it to the minimum for the help of this modern
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Communications no it is trial and layer you see you are
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perfecting the the same thing yesterday I watched this interesting
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program the 50th anniversary of Television is I I watched them in those days early 50s
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my God and they look so archaic so crude compared to what we see now today it was
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an interesting program last night what would you want for the human species if you could if you could um
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if you could have it the way you'd like it what would you I liked exactly the
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way it is I don't have to do a thing about it I am not in conflict with this
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business it can't be anything better thank you it can't be anything better anything you
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want to do with that you see so is there violence there is this that and the other yes the violence is inevitable as
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long as you use thought to bring about a change within and change without there is bound to the
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violence bound to be
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and and what you see your attempt to to be in a peaceful state is a war there you see metal going on there
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sorry I forgot yeah I'm not I'm not who has
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given me the mandate to change the world no so you think are we are we as a
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species headed towards obstruction is there a possibility I'm not a prophet but the the future is
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already here in in what way in the present way you see how can it be
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anything different as I said you see through War you cannot create peace in this world can you you cannot I wouldn't
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think so probably we we will come to a point where
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oil before my circumstances that we have to live with our adversaries the
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way you see this living organism is functioning every cell it's a survival depends upon the
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survival of the cell that is next to it with Terror that if I try to destroy
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something else I will also go with it it's not on that level is for love Bliss
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and religious thinking physically is you are you are going to be destroyed it
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will affect you the terror that if you try to destroy people around you you are going to be
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destroyed with it maybe that will keep us together for a little long why should it be
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permanent why what for well that's a good question why I don't
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know why is this question we are asking they probably won't be permanent we are not concerned we are not doing anything
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to keep it permanent are we we are destroying everything there in
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nature ecology ecological problems have incremented by us you see how do you
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think anybody who says anything against exhaust fumes who is himself driving the
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car that fellow should be shot at sight on site he's also contributing and he
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says don't believe that all the ecologists don't believe them
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they are not really interested in that at all you see is anyone interested in this nobody is interested so nobody's
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interesting nobody not even you I'm not I'm the last person to be in touch because I don't want this to be anything
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different this is pretty bleak it's not Bleak how can he say it is Bleak that's the only
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thing it's a real Cricket is it is it is it's not Bleak not at all not at all
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Bleak you would like to use that word fancy phrase Bleak is it Bleak look at that at this moment wonderful
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I don't write poetry it's in the next moment I am looking at you are as beautiful as the ocean there
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huh probably more beautiful is if I am freed from uh silly all the ideas that I
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have about beauty is something you say you know extraordinary
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that's all that I am interested in nothing needs to be done to change anything Mr the
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things are changing in their own ways the nature is changing it is some
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volcanic eruption somewhere and some earthquake somewhere why these things
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occur we don't know no seismologist can predict with exact Precision that you
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see we are going to have an earthquake in a particular place in a particular an asteroid is going to hit us I said or an
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asteroid is going to hit us into another orbit yes we don't know if there's too much why are we concerned about all
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those things who created this worldly we leave it to the metaphysicians and decide probably because we're afraid of
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death coming to an end yeah I don't want to come to an end are you afraid of coming
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to an end there's nothing here to compare in so that's maybe how we're different
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don't say different things don't say I don't think we will come to an end
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here the one that is does not want to complain and is interested in preserving
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somehow in some way even Beyond you see
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you know beyond so it's not going to succeed because there the changes it's
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not amusing it's a fact yes I understand it's a fact
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[Applause] I think we finished finished
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