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Jesus’ Abba: The God Who Has Not Failed


by John B. Cobb Jr. on July 1, 2016 | 0 Comments


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The church has emphasized ideas about God that have marginalized Jesus’ understanding of his spiritual Father, his Abba. We commonly think of God as a demanding lawgiver and judge, an omnipotent ruler, or an ultimate philosophical principle. None of these works well today.


In contrast, Jesus’ view of God as spiritual Abba still truly works when it is given a chance. Christians should be open to accepting the ideas of the one they call Lord and Savior. In Jesus’ Abba, one of the greatest theologians of this generation boldly argues for a new view of God, through the eyes of Jesus.


John B. Cobb Jr. interprets the whole of Jesus’ life and ministry, and death and resurrection, in light of Jesus’ understanding of God. He also shows that Paul shared this understanding and that it played a central role in Paul’s churches. Ultimately, Cobb argues that Jesus’ view of God fits our actual experience today, that it is supported by the evidence of the sciences, and that it encourages appreciative learning from other wisdom traditions and cooperation with them in redeeming the world. With this book, John B. Cobb Jr. makes his ultimate and most impassioned plea for us to rediscover God through Jesus.





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… Dr. Cobb reminds us he has not and cannot prove the existence of Abba, but that “belief in Abba makes a lot of sense today.” (pp. 155,6). It is a more reasonable, sensible and satisfying option than accepting the modern worldview and leaving God and the Bible aside entirely. And there are many things, including some beliefs about God that we can disprove, such as a God who is both all-powerful and all-beneficent. He says, “The basic argument of this book is that, although many ideas associated with God and Christian faith have been disproved, Jesus’ teaching about Abba has not…. I commend a faithfulness to Jesus that shares Jesus’ confidence in the love and empowering power of Abba.” Click Here to Read Full Review by Howard Pepper


Professor Cobb’s book is a wonderful culmination of several decades of scholarship and teaching. In this volume, he captures the heart and essence of the spiritual life of Jesus, and describes it in a way that invites the reader to follow the example of this truly and profoundly spiritual person. Dr. Cobb, while fully aware of all the ways that “transcendence” is understood in our time, does not want us to forget what is most basic about God, that God is love and this love is unlimited and available for all to receive and embrace. Abba, the Aramaic word describing a truly loving Father (Parent), was how Jesus understand and related to God, and while he is sensitive to the gender issue, he asks the reader to claim the God-consciousness that was so central to the life of Jesus and manifested in a life epitomized the commandment to love God with one’s whole being and one’s neighbor as oneself. -Duncan S. Ferguson


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The church has emphasized ideas about God that have marginalized Jesus' understanding of his spiritual Father, his Abba. We commonly think of God as a demanding lawgiver and judge, an omnipotent ruler, or an ultimate philosophical principle. None of these works well today.

In contrast, Jesus' view of God as spiritual Abba still truly works when it is given a chance. Christians should be open to accepting the ideas of the one they call Lord and Savior. In Jesus' Abba, one of the greatest theologians of this generation boldly argues for a new view of God, through the eyes of Jesus.


John B. Cobb Jr. interprets the whole of Jesus' life and ministry, and death and resurrection, in light of Jesus' understanding of God. He also shows that Paul shared this understanding and that it played a central role in Paul's churches. Ultimately, Cobb argues that Jesus' view of God fits our actual experience today, that it is supported by the evidence of the sciences, and that it encourages appreciative learning from other wisdom traditions and cooperation with them in redeeming the world.


With this book, John B. Cobb Jr. makes his ultimate and most impassioned plea for us to rediscover God through Jesus.

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July 13, 2016
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I cannot be as glowing about this book as the other reviewers so far. I do like Cobb’s Abba, but I am quite unconvinced that it was also Jesus’ Abba. I accept that the characteristics Cobb ascribes to God from the Jewish tradition that shaped Jesus were probably part of how Jesus understood God, but I am not convinced that Jesus necessarily rejected some of the characteristics that Cobb rejects. In other words, I think Cobb may be guilty—as I think many other progressive Christians are—of sifting the evidence so as to find the Jesus he wants to find.

I also find Cobb’s extended rant against modernity to be off the mark. What he is really ranting against is scientific materialism, which is the pathology of modernity rather than its true achievement. Christianity will only become increasingly irrelevant if it rejects modernity and turns back to premodern belief. I realize that is not what Cobb is advocating, but the book could leave one confused on that point.

As I said, I like Cobb’s Abba. He outlines an understanding and emotional stance toward God that has great merit for progressive Christians. I just think the book has significant weaknesses.

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June 30, 2016
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Cobb's book inspires us to work hard and consistently to build a deep and joyful relationship with Abba. This relationship can lead to faith and confidence in the love and empowering power of Abba to work through people to build loving, welcoming, embracing, caring communities - uniting all races, religions, and belief systems.

Cobb takes us back to the essence of Jesus' teachings, exposes fallacies in many supposedly Christian beliefs that resulted in abominations like the Holocaust, and explores common ground between Abba's message of unfailing love and the key tenets of other major religions and beliefs.

Cobb is a brilliant theologian and philosopher. Those of us without his deep grounding in these fields may have trouble following some of his arguments. Nevertheless, his book is worth reading - and perhaps re-reading - just to be reminded that Abba's deepest desire is to enjoy an intimate parental relationship with each individual on Planet Earth - and the second wish is "like unto it": that we might "love [our] neighbors as ourselves."

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I've enjoyed the works of Hartshorne, Griffin, and Mesle (and Griffin and Cobb's "Process Theo" introduction). However, this book was poor quality.

Apart from the fact that Cobb's book is absent of scholarly notations (virtually empty of referential evidence for any of his claims), Cobb's premise itself lacks backbone. He claims to be writing about Jesus' Abba, but fails to explain and substantiate why anyone should care what Jesus thought about Abba. In fact, he undermines biblical authority; which begs the question, "Why believe Jesus' teachings at all?" It's not that there isn't evidence for the historical Jesus, but if Jesus wasn't "God" then what makes his beliefs about Abba any better than Muhammad's belief about Allah? Or the mystical incarnation of Krishna?

Suffice it to say, Cobb fails on this one. And fails badly.
January 28, 2017
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I'm not a process person but I found Cobb give language to thoughts and ideas people I serve have. The reason in bought the book was because he would be at a conference I was attending. The book itself was a very loving picture of Abba and a correct critique of credal Christianity.

My favorite part of the book was a critique of his own camp and it's failings of creating the atmosphere for Christians to love one God the God of the Bible.

Cobb doesn't shy away from his beliefs and because he is able to see the faults in his own tribes thinking gives me the opportunity to really listen. He is as loving in person and his writing and I have a lot of respect for this work.

His five points that he considers throughout the book are food for thought and he does a very good job explaining there implications on the church.

Thank you Dr Cobb for this book and for signing my copy.

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October 18, 2017
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This book describes the God Jesus and Paul worshiped. This God is not the God that the early and late Churches promote. Their God has very little room to wiggle in view of the science that has developed. It is clear that that God has failed. There is no room for an omnipotent God in todays world. Jesus's God is a gentle nudging God who operates in you and wants the best for you. As a Christian I have been looking for a description of this God who I can believe in and work with

The book is not easy, but in the end it presents a new view of an old God.

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August 15, 2016
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I have read John Cobb's excellent process theology books for years (I'm 82). He integrated in this book his brilliant grasp of the content with his personal faith. I really liked his affirming his own position that for him Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life and, yet, with full respect for, and in unconditional dialogue with, those who would disagree. His great wisdom so well articulated in his latter years is a great inspiration for me in my latter years to "keep on keeping on." Thanks John!

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June 13, 2018
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Dr. John Cobb Jr. is among the founders of process theology with a very long and distinguished career. In this book he shares his view of God as the Loving Father (papa or daddy) of Jesus and how our view of God our Father should be the same as that of Jesus.
March 29, 2018
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I read it with a church book group. It was helpful in debunking the idea of an all powerful domineering God, using scripture and history to explain how some religious traditions had gotten off track, and suggesting an alternate approach.

2019/09/04

Spiritual Bankruptcy: A Prophetic Call to Action: John B. Jr. Cobb: 9781426702952: Amazon.com: Books



Spiritual Bankruptcy: A Prophetic Call to Action: John B. Jr. Cobb: 9781426702952: Amazon.com: Books





Spiritual Bankruptcy: A Prophetic Call to Action Paperback – October 1, 2010
by John B. Jr. Cobb (Author)
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In these times many people feel that their cherished religious values are held hostage by the forces of secularization and that, as a consequence, society is morally bankrupt.  While acknowledging this problem, John Cobb overturns the prevailing expectations by drawing a distinction between secularization and secularism.  

Secularization, as Cobb uses the term, has a prophetic function. It is a process by which religion is cleansed and refocused on mission and ministry rather than on other-worldly myths and concerns. The uncritical understanding of religion that focuses on religion for its own sake is what Cobb calls secularism. In Cobb’s view, secularization has led to secularism or a culture of consumerism that threatens those very religious convictions many hold dear.  After teasing the concepts of secularization and secularism apart, Cobb proposes an alternate path for secularization that will help us reevaluate our relation to our world and each other.

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John B. Cobb Jr. is Professor Emeritus of Theology at Claremont School of Theology in Claremont, California, and author of many books, including Becoming a Thinking Christian, also published by Abingdon Press.


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Jack D. Heacock

5.0 out of 5 starsA New Christian ParadigmSeptember 18, 2014
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Dr. Cobb offers a brilliant survey of historic philosophies, modern scientific principles, and the sweep of historic theologies. He makes an impressive case in describing sustainable, viable and effective Christianity as "Secularizing Christianity" - faith that works deliberately to make an impact in the real world. He distinguishes secularizing Christianity from a "Religious Christianity" that gets bogged down in self-absorbed activity that leap-frogs the here and now by focusing on un-worldly solutions. Cobb exposes flaws and limitations in philosophies flowing from Hume and Kant, and encourages more consideration of Whitehead and Hartshorne. 


My own education came in small town and rural schools, and my college education did not offer philosophy; Dr. Cobb provides a basic survey that covered the high spots. The book provides the impetus for re-thinking the nature of God and a Christianity that must exert its strongest spiritual influence to lead societies and governments to take action to protect the earth from the disaster that will make present nations uninhabitable when the temperature increases by 4%.

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Alan Wittbecker

5.0 out of 5 starsSecularizing Christianity & Religious WaysJuly 6, 2011

Spiritual Bankruptcy (Nashville: Abington Press, 2010), by John B. Cobb Jr., is subtitled a `Prophetic Call to Action.' 

However, the book could have as easily been subtitled `Secularizing Christianity and all Religious Ways to Confront Catastrophes'--because that is the focus of the book, the catastrophes facing humans and all other living beings on the planet and how to find a way to turn towards a more healthy direction.
Secularizing, however, can lead to secularization. Cobb is careful to always separate the two processes. Secularizing, which is close attention to the natural world as the ground of existence and the source of life and the spiritual, is not the same as secularization, which is exclusive attention to the human world combined with the rejection of other dimensions of the natural, and of the traditional and religious explanations of those dimensions.

 To repeat, secularism is the rejection of traditional knowledge, whether it is traditional ecological knowledge or the spiritual beliefs of the great Ways of binding people to each other and to their places. 

By contrast, secularizing is the linking of those ways to all grounds of existence, through recognition and respect. Secularization, as another form of narrow reductionism, has allowed civilization to indulge in the madness of ignoring increasing catastrophes--worse, civilization is accelerating the rush to an almost-certain collapse.

Secularism, in academics, business and science, hastens and contributes to problems and catastrophes, from the loss of justice to ecosystem collapse. Secularism has failed to respond to emergencies and crises. It is shortsighted and destructive. Although religion still plays a large role in human affairs, it also fails. It continues to be anthropocentric, separate, superior, self-destructive, and sometimes violent.


Cobb suggests that there is an option: To recover and refine the wisdom of the past, without abandoning scientific and technological accomplishments. In fact, wisdom could redirect science into creating harmonious societies in an ecological civilization. Hope lies in developing new perspectives and senses of relation with a changing biosphere. Christianity has a great potential to be secularized, as do other ancient Ways.


This book is important because it shows how an underlying trend of secularization can sabotage the understanding necessary to react to dire threats. Because it is based on a long tradition of working ideas. Because it is pandenominational. And, because it emphasizes taking action now to turn from catastrophe to a healthy way for civilization on a healthy planet.


John B. Cobb Jr. is a Protestant theologian. His sensitivity to ecological, as well as to economic and political, problems has led him to address these critical issues. He has spearheaded the broadening of Christian thought as well as ecological and economic thought.

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5.0 out of 5 starsAwesome Book!August 2, 2019
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As always, a very awesome book by Dr. Cobb! I highly recommend it! It is a must read for all theologians!


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Eric Van Meter

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A Prophetic CallApril 27, 2011
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The bad news is that the planet is in the worst environmental crisis in human history, a fact which is as undeniable as it is disastrous. The even worse news is that the humans who have to deal with it are, collectively speaking, insane. And worst of all for those of us in the United States, we are suffering from collective insanity. Our systems of philosophy, education, and economics are too blinded by secularism or religiousness to fully understand the crisis, much less move toward a solution.
If this is the central premise on which Spiritual Bankruptcy: A Call to Prophetic Action is based, the central thesis is that Christians (or any followers of one of the world's great Ways) need to break free of secularism and religiousness. While neither religion nor secular thought should be cast aside completely, we must seek out a path beyond them. To use the author's term, Christians need to "secularize" their tradition. This doesn't mean buying into secularism itself, which is in fact a rejection of the Christian Way. Rather, it means embracing a practice of thought and behavior that focuses not on some otherworldly heaven or hell, but on the real problems of this present world.


In Cobb's view, this process of secularizing is the truest form of adherence to Jewish and Christian tradition. He argues with some force that the most defining moments of the Bible involve one or more persons insisting that mere religion is not the goal of God's work in human history. Figures like Jesus and Paul defied religiousness. They were adamant that any thought about God must manifest itself in certain behaviors in this present world. Reclaiming this tradition of secularizing, Cobb insists, is a necessary correction to the otherworldly religiousness that has taken hold of American Christianity.
Cobb spends considerable time tracing how Christians have lost the ability or will to secularize our tradition. Beginning with Descartes, philosophy sought to derive truth from experience. Divorced from past wisdom, the discipline eventually hit a dead end--but not before helping create thoroughly secularist systems of higher education and economy. Ironically, reactions against secularism have given rise to equally destructive systems, including but not limited to religious fundamentalism.
The final two chapters of Spiritual Bankruptcy take a more prescriptive route. Not surprisingly, Cobb draws heavily from Alfred North Whitehead, the physicist and philosopher who influenced much of Cobb's earlier work on process theology, to make suggestions about a new direction of philosophy. Cobb hopes that new philosophy will in turn lead to Christians breaking with both secularism and religiousness in order to address the major global crises of our time. Although even Cobb admits that secularizing Christians have an uphill battle, he insists that such a movement is a necessary step toward a better life for all who share the planet.
Now in his eighties, Cobb brings a thorough body of knowledge and a blunt writing style to bear on what he considers the key global crisis facing all people, Christians included. However, this Professor Emeritus of Theology at Claremont School of Theology includes such a mountain of analysis and information that the reader must pay careful attention in order to follow the overall argument.
Spiritual Bankruptcy is certain to offend Christians who hold a primarily otherworldly view of their tradition. But given the vocabulary Cobb uses to state his central thesis ("secularizing...religiousness...insanity"), it's fairly clear that giving offense is not much of a concern to him. In truth, it's Cobb's passion for his opinions that makes for the book's greatest victories. Spiritual

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In these times many people feel that their cherished religious values are held hostage by the forces of secularization and that, as a consequence, society is morally bankrupt. While acknowledging this problem, John Cobb overturns the prevailing expectations by drawing a distinction between secularization and secularism.

Secularization, as Cobb uses the term, has a prophetic function. It is a process by which religion is cleansed and refocused on mission and ministry rather than on other-worldly myths and concerns. The uncritical understanding of religion that focuses on religion for its own sake is what Cobb calls secularism. In Cobb's view, secularization has led to secularism or a culture of consumerism that threatens those very religious convictions many hold dear. After teasing the concepts of secularization and secularism apart, Cobb proposes an alternate path for secularization that will help us reevaluate our relation to our world and each other.
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John Cobb argues for the secularizing of the traditional, religious Way of Christianity, in order to save a planet in crisis and the people (and all living things) who inhabit it. He also argues that this tactic will address the postmodern crisis of increasing irrelevance of the Christian Church in a postmodern world. Cobb distinguishes "secularizing of the tradition" (drawing knowledge from the best thinkers of the day without compromising the distinctive contributions of the Way) from the "secularism of the cultural context" which drowns out the wisdom of all Ways of religious understanding in a cacophony of knowledge (of science, philosophy, higher education, and economism).

Pointing to the Hebrew prophetic tradition (in which Jesus stands), Cobb appeals to Christians to critically reappropriate our tradition in order to speak truth to a consumer mentality that is contributing to the destruction of our world. Cobb interprets the basileia theou (traditionally "Kingdom of God") as Commonwealth of God, and argues that this understanding of God's just rule on earth was powerfully opposed to the Roman empire. It still is - though so many followers of the Way have spiritualized this radical message to the point of stripping the Gospel of its power to affirm God's will on the earth.

Cobb argues persuasively for the Christian Church to find its voice and speak truth first to religious acculturation with culture and with power, and then to empire, currently bent on the destruction of the planet. He surveys the historical Jesus, Pauline Christianity and Church history comprehensively to stir the Christian Church to rekindle a prophetic call to all people to keep faith with each other and our planet in this global climatological crisis. It's a hopeful and empowering read.
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