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Isaac Asimov talks about superstition, religion and why he teaches rationality

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This was recorded in 1988. He also explains why some people who think that we should abandon science are wrong and how scientific worldview is the best.
The Jayleno Fly
Listen, I don't have to sell you Isaac Asimov, if you're rational enough, you already love him, if you're still not rational enough, AFTER watching this, then I'm out of all means of convincing you. BUT, what I want to sell you instead is, this interviewer, is absolutely fantastic! What a great interviewer, one of the best I've seen.
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movingpicutres99
The Jayleno Fly Do look online for more by this interviewer. A public TV series called The Open Mind.
G T
Amen, brother/sister ;)
vadinhopsc
 @charles hoops  Why the plural? It seems you can use the singular... there's just one here.
Duan Torruellas
True , the host is almost invisible as he ask just the right questions. He's probably read some of his work.
Duan Torruellas
 @movingpicutres99  wow that takes me back , the open mind. Yeah that was good stuff. Thx for bringing that back for me.
Retro Hipster
He really channels the Socratic method for sure. He's a little contrarian but only two try to bring out more truth. Then he stands out of the way and let's his guest set things straight.
betochon
I sell tamales Oaxaqueños
Kweli Walker
Great questions, smooth and respectful delivery, and actually listening the answers like a heat seeking missile.
Pavel
 @Kweli Walker  Exactly, they don't make interviewers like him anymore.
Homo Ludens
You need to be more subtle. Going on a rant about the prophesied world ending scenario in the comment section of a video about rationality is a bit too obvious. 3/10
Appocalypse
I came into the comments section to see if I could find out more about the interviewer!
Brian Tanner
You are a boring moron.
jason twist
Rational according to who? Rational according to what?
Blake Puhlman
 @jason twist  rational according to OUR reality and our understanding or better understanding. It's not hard really. And if you are religious that's great and hope it works for you and anybody else who is. Only problem is no religion can prove they are right and can only go on faith and belief. It's not real l rational to believe something just because you were taught it and raised by it without good evidence.
FRANKSNAKE71
Homo Ludens Well said.
FRANKSNAKE71
in777sight Bible is fiction. Written by over 40 different humans over 1000 years. Faith is based on believing the impossible with no proof and refusing to examine those beliefs with rational thought.
FRANKSNAKE71
Brian Tanner People with no point call other people names. Sad.
Mk101T
You assume people cannot know what you do ... that is a bad place to exist.
FlockOfHawks
 @in777sight  don't you want to see that 666 is simply DCLXVI , the six roman numerals in a row ?
FlockOfHawks
 @Appocalypse  Richard D Heffner , recorded 1988 - there's a few complete versions of this interview on yt too , such as https://youtu.be/5F4WvaiyQTw 🙏
FlockOfHawks
 @in777sight  yeah , have a nice life
FlockOfHawks
 @in777sight  one last point : check the meaning of "score" ( 20 ) if you want , and consider who ruled the region where Revelations was written . Goodbye .
Ottho Heldring
Both of them a a non-confrontational style. Very effective.
Gernot Schrader
"a good impromptus speech needs three or four weeks of preparation". There is for sure a good script for the interview. He liked to point on certain things and the interviewer asks the proper questions, resp. criticizes the right point. You get the picture that he is questioned but in fact he leads the debate because it is most probably his script. Yes he was a clever lad, it's just never abuse it. It's an essential part of good sci-fi to convince with logic using conditions which don't have to be real but since the reader makes the conclusions they appear to him as real. The question is like always what is the goal of my writing (in this case). I can also abuse this fact, make it to a method to control people, an old i guess since we know spoken word practiced method to control the mass. Let the listener pretend it is his conclusion, his free will and he will give you his last shirt no matter if you wear fur.
Phillip Leighton-Daly
I don't love him. What use is logic if his knowledge is so limited? His logical statements are extremely limited to his knowledge of the known phenomena. How can a newborn infant make logical statement on the workings of a computer. How can Isaac Asimov make logical statement about a universe which he knows so little about? He can't. His logical statements are extremely limited and confined to the 7 thousandths of one percent or whatever his knowledge is.
Don Simons
My first time seeing Asimov. So cool. Agreed, this interviewer and their constant euphemisms on mysticism, along with Asimov’s patience (they both wait for the other to finish speaking naturally - what a lost art) make this a discourse
misty cloud
This guy is a globalist don't trust him
nixl
In that case you haven’t seen a single capable interviewer in your life! This was an ignorant buffoon who was unworthy of interviewing Asimov.
nixl
 @Duan Torruellas  The interviewer is an idiot that hasn’t read a single page of Asimov’s work. He just made stuff up couched on his experience interviewing lesser individuals!
nixl
 @Retro Hipster  You missed the point. He’s actually stupid and does not know how to respond to the comments Isaac Asimov is making.
Great Dude
 @Blake Puhlman  " rational according to OUR reality" Human civilization is built upon non objective "truths" such as economy, social constructs etc... Gold is not more valuable then rock from objective scientific perspective but since WE value scarcity we pretend it is... "Only problem is no religion can prove they are right and can only go on faith and belief." Funny how you exclude philosophy, sociology etc... The go to philosophy for most atheists is humanism and almost the entire worldview of humanism is rooted in non objective made up values such as humanocentrism for example. Life doesn't have value, death doesn't have value, morality doesn't have value etc... "It's not real l rational to believe something just because you were taught it and raised by it without good evidence." Like economy, gender, social science etc... All of these things are about things people MADE UP. If atheists were honest with their "objective reality" they would be cosmicists which are nihilists on stereoids however since we humans are not robots we can never function on pure objective reality and the idea for that is pretty irrational from human biological and psychological perspective.
Gilles van Eeden
 @vadinhopsc  It's the majestic plural: "By the grace of god, we, morons..." etc
John Harrington
For yet another view, the interviewer is incompetent, stuck on dumb issues that are a waste of Asimov's intellect. I'd rather see Asimov interviewed by someone closer to his intellect.
TonalHarmony
 @FRANKSNAKE71  And yet by faith in Jesus Christ we are saved. "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.” " John 11: 25-27
Chris Musix
And yet, for all of his logic, Asimov failed to learn the Truth. Funny that. 'For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness" ~1st Corinthians 3:19
Michael S.
 @Chris Musix  I doubt that. Faith is belief without proof. He simply chooses proof. It’s really that simple.
TonalHarmony
 @Chris Musix  So true. While the man had many talents as a writer, he was like a blind man regarding spiritual matters. He did indeed contemplate God's creation, as a scientist, and somewhat grasped it's scope, but obstinately refused to acknowledge the creator, and the fact that man has a soul as well as a body.
Lord Methane
You are irrational.
Roy
Imagine having a good conversation like this with a friend. People who genuinely seek to know the truth without feeling attacked or anything. it's just so good.
LibertyMatrix
"People will go for certainty, even if it's wrong." ~Isaac Asimov
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andrewxc1335
Huuuufffffff... «stares daggers at 2016 - 2020»
hauntedhouse
Certainty repels curiosity ☝
Question Everything
Was he talking about science.?
andrewxc1335
 @Question Everything  Science & scientists know that their ideas are just close approximations to reality, and ever-closer every time that there is more data collected. It is up to the public to understand that, as well.
Question Everything
Uncertainty and victimhood? Historia Antiqua you are on point. How might this theory work ? Social identity movements (SM)have played a part in shifting the focus from redistribution politics of the post war,eg Keynesianism giving rise to a national victimhood mentality.So redistribution politics has been derailed by mass organised irrational SM demands. Nancy Fraser has put forward a compelling argument.Essentially Social movements have uncoupled from the labour union movement which has led us further away from redistribution goals and deeper into Inclusion politics.Eg Inclusion demands do nothing to help macro inequality bc it is not a transformative change movement.SM do not seek to change the underlying root causes of inequality or with it resolve the economic uncertainty of our globalised era.. Government redistribution policy was over shadowed by environmental, gender and racial demands which in turn led to the further dismantling of post war social welfare benefits linked to class claims.Unemployment, public housing, the government's commitment to subsidize industry. In turn social movements and networking opportunities have increased via digital media and given rise to a splintering of disparate social movements and groups of differing self interest eg BLM verses proud boys.Giving rise to a new era of oppressive political correctness and tribalism .This has further reduced macro ideas of class and with it class entitlement. And any chance of wealth distribution. Habermas theory suggests that in the face of declining intervention by government self steering economic rationalist forces in the form of (the stock market and corporate profit driven logic which is adopted by the government) have taken control of the economic political agenda and systems within a liberal democratic capitalist system. Max Webber's iron cage of rationalist dark age takes form. Uncertainty is more linked to the cultural,political economy than scientist gives credit . So long as social identity movements dominate ,the government is held unaccountable by the society it serves. So Isaac and Antiqua are on track. People will go for certainty even when their wrong.
kray97
This is a timeless adage. It will never change.
Sejuani SupportONLY
 @Question Everything  Obviously not. If you have even a passing interest in science (let's say you watch astronomy channels that present the newest papers/theories, like "Anton Petrov" or "SciShow" or - if you want some heavy hitting stuff - "PBS SpaceTime" ) then you know that one of the most reccuring theme of the videos is "weeeell, do you remember last year where we talked about subject X? Here is a new theory that seriously puts our previous theories in doubt". Now, if your "interest" in "science" is reading blogs like "here is the truth you are not being told-blogspot" or "NASA is run by the illuminati to hide the flat earth" then, yeah, you might think that Asimov was talking about "science".
Issac Newton
 @andrewxc1335  big business has "bought" science. That's why you can't trust what scientist say anymore. They will say whatever they are paid to say. Either that, or they do not get funded or published. It is very sad.
andrewxc1335
 @Issac Newton  Still more likely to believe "Science" as a body of work than randos on the internet.
David MacLennan
Missing from this discourse: Insults; Name-calling; Interruptions; Confirmation bias; Ridicule; Sarcasm; Avoiding key questions; Lieing; Racial undertones; Intolerance; Mockery; Insensitivity; Weaponization; Thanks!
ImBarryScottCSS
Listening to this conversation fills me with both joy and despair, the joy of a thoughtful, intellectual conversation and the despair that this is all but lost to America now. Given away cheaply for the false comfort of absolutism, populism, idolism and anti intellectualism. Also Issac shares a commonality with other science fiction writers of being lightyears ahead of his time not only in his own field but in many others too.
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ReesSoft
Well said, and this was before the likes of 9/11 conspiracy theories, COVID conspiracies and the ridiculous flat Earth nonsense. If Isaac was around now he'd be tearing his hair out at the beliefs being spouted on social media
observe out of the box
 @ReesSoft  it really is everywhere through the very same technology science has achieved through. The issue with scientific advances is we are giving free platforms for more idiots to scream at. But at the same time internet is also abundance of knowledge and information. We truly never can make an ideal society.. there will always be a head to a tail. Is it a favourable balance ? No. But is it entirely changeable? no again. I mean Soviet union banned religion and anti intellectual way of thinking and ideolgies and focused on science and advancement but in the modern world they are evil enemies who fell. So in a world of blind the one eyed man becomes the freak.
Gustav Albericchi Du Rocher
i actually think that elder media didn't knew the extent to which stupidity could be so sold. we would, as he did, think we are doomed if we were in the 80's or 90's and saw the kind of entertainment and information they were loving to have, but if the media understood that ideas as Qanon and flat earth would actually thrive among the population, i guess they would have had it all day on. the cheapest entertainment usually wins society, but who would guess the cheapest information would aswell?
J Coker
No just the Yanks, but the entire world. So climate change is real, covid is a dangerous disease, more blacks are killed by cops than whites, mohammendan terrorism is a threat..... sure we should debate these in a rational way, and not be closed down by cancel culture. This only leaves to conspiracy theories and people taking up the false comforts of absolutism.
taurtue
 @Gustav Albericchi Du Rocher  I don't think a theory like Qanon could've flourished in the 80's. There's a fear that is, kind of paradoxically, caused by the abundance of information our modern society delivers every day. Qanon and other stuff like that is an irrational answer to those fears.
Gustav Albericchi Du Rocher
 @taurtue  i have a feeling that it would... But the main influence "under the spotlight"/"on the stage"/"behind the pulpit" was usually a minimally informed (so called) specialist. It wasnt saw as an option by the media to talk about the shape of the earth calling a flat earther to debate... And now we know that doing so would be felt as stupid even BY the VERY OWN MEDIA. Not that you or me wouldnt get baffled at it at that time, but IF the media gave space to them at that time, being it saw as a trustable source of information, I dont think that it wouldnt flourish. That was about flat earth theory... But qanon? Qanon is a variation of illuminatti - that had its space in the 90s parallel medias. Both "ideas" talk deeply to frustrated people... "I am a loser because there are people planning a future where good people like me cant win". Its an ego redemption. If media showed it under a good light, i cant understand why it wouldnt thrive in the 80s.
INTERGALACTIC BASKETBALL DROID FORCE
 @observe out of the box  People are just people. Often misled by corrupt leaders in Communist Nations, but you have personal issues if you believe that an entire nation is evil. That's just simple minded hatefulness nonsense !
INTERGALACTIC BASKETBALL DROID FORCE
 @taurtue  You are right. In the 1980s everyone watched the the nightly news on TV. ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS. No internet, full of misinformation. American's used to be able to share some common thread of ideals. Now, the internet puts MOST consumers into a pit of useless information, often created by fools and conmen, and the minds of Americans are wandering throughthe cosmos, starving for good and/or useful information.
Michael Salisbury
Trump belongs in PRISON that's all there is to that!!!!!
Michael Salisbury
 @Gustav Albericchi Du Rocher  "flat earthismm is stupid!! So is the GOP!!!! Electorate!!!! They ate up Trump with a spoon
Peter S
Incredible that, when this was recorded, he'd had a heart attack, triple bypass heart surgery, and was HIV+ as a result of a blood transfusion during the surgery 5 years earlier. A real trooper.
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cersei69
Had not realised about HIV status. Actually despite him being one of my favourite authors growing up, never thought to read about his life! Catching up now.
AndyJK45
Trouper, not trooper :-) However he is clearly a calm and sensible person and that would reduce his medical complications from the HIV infection.
Zappababe
So sad that he contracted HIV at a time when we couldn't do much to treat it. If he had been able to live a little bit longer, until the better treatments came along, he might have had many more years on this Earth. He is one of my favourite authors.
Irv Hh
That was a different era. Smoking was everywhere. A potbelly was something to be proud of. Ppl drank so much that if someone was an alcoholic, you'd hardly know the dufference. Now, everyone is getting on the fitness bandwagon.
dannydoc1969
I grew up in NYC, and one day I was waiting for the 5th Ave. bus next to Central Park. I was a student at the Bronx HS of Science, and was a huge science fiction buff. I had read Asimov’s sci-fi books, and many of his real science books. Who should happen to come and wait at the bus stop? Doctor Asimov. I was thrilled. We began a great conversation on his books, on biology, biochemistry, and other topics. We got onto the same bus, and continued the talk till he got off, around 15 minutes later. He was down to earth, brilliant, and interested in my comments. A day I have never forgotten.
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thhall459
Wow, you are a very lucky person! It is thrilling to me to hear one more true life story of how kind and gentle he was with us mere ordinary people!
Ken Moskowitz
I heard him give a talk at Swarthmore College when I was an undergraduate. It was one of the best I heard in four years. And what I remember most was how good his jokes were!
SilentOtto
You win! No story from my life can top that.
Malik Nielsen
They say never meet your heros. You struck gold. Lucky.
Lilly'snet
Where the old wise man has gone... Now we have this wise 20 years old jumping around and telling us what life is...
Adrian Holroyd
That may be the coolest story I've ever heard.
Mark Rein-Hagen
What a wonderful story, thanks for sharing it. I can't get over that he rode the bus...
Hedgehog's Right of Passage
My daughter married a son of his cousin (Much of the Asimov family moved from Russia to France,USA and Israel) being Chabad Chasidim as his family was. Chabad is a worldwide spread out Chasidic group based on LOGIC but tempered then to fiery emotions as a result of expanding and meditating on that logic)
2011littleguy
Fantastic. i once had dinner with Arthur C. Clarke. i was a NASA engineer and he was giving a talk after an awards dinner. I sat about 4 chairs from him. It was a highlight of my life. (NASA Vendor's Day, 1972).
Linda Marion
My then boyfriend took me to a precursor of ComicCon about 1968. We won a costume contest and my date asked Dr. Asimov if he would sign my costume. He signed my left hip -- having at first aimed higher but thinking better of it! -- and was just generally delightful and especially made the day for my boyfriend.
Andrew Davidson
Yep, ok so I'm jealous of all the meetings mentioned here but particularly Asimov without doubt my favourite author. I remember when he died the emptiness realising I'd never read another of his works. Very selfish but genuine reaction.
Nomadic Brian
Wow that is fantastic.
Dr Craig Goodman
Beautiful and wonderful story!
Dr Craig Goodman
 @Scientific Humanist   @Scientific Humanist  Incredible story! I too wished I would have met Professor Carl Sagan!!! Fantastic that you received a response from Professor Druyan!
Ben Symons
I bet, wot a man Wot A brain 🌎🌍🌏
Robert Crawford
This is nice to hear. I've also heard he was an insufferably arrogant SOB.
g0679
dannydoc1969 I had a similar experience in Attapulgus GA.
Bobby Winters
It makes me so happy to learn that. Thanks!
Mark Jonjak
Truly you have been blessed by God!
Rob the Animator
How lucky you were! :-).
vadinhopsc
If this was just a story, it would be nice already. Being real, wow! There's a lot of people like Asimov I'd love to meet in person. Congrats.
Evan Barnes
That's absolutely incredible!
Greg Nold
That is such a nice story and you are so lucky! I would've given anything for such an experience! I was driving home from work in 1992 and had turned on the radio in my car. I just caught the ending of a news story: ".... he was best remembered for his Three Laws of Robotics." I knew what had happened. At the end of the evening, when my wife and I hugged, I just started crying. From that day on, the world seemed a bit lonely to me, knowing The Good Doctor was no longer with us. I enjoyed his science fiction of course but my favorite books by far were all his science essay collections. I loved his writing style... it was as if he was talking to me alone in his books. He taught me so much. I was so inspired by his empathy to those not so lucky in this world. Isaac Asimov was just an amazing person!
Zhyvora
That is awesome! I was close to getting into Bronx HS of Science but was unfortunately unable to pass the exam for it (at least to my knowledge, never knew how close I was) but I always felt similar about science and science fiction in general and learned about Asimov early on. I wasn't around during his time, but I was inspired greatly by him and Sagan to this day for imagination and craving for scientific knowledge, and Mr Rogers for emotions.
J JBud
You are so lucky. He was one of my favorite people and I was devastated the day he died. I've read all his books too.
Iolanda Adinolfi
Thank you for sharing this beautiful memory of yours ❤
Debbie Reissman
Mark Rein-Hagen that’s how most people commute in NY, by bus or subway. Or taxis.
Peter Tholen
You lucky bastard!
kalm grist
What a great story. Lucky you.
THE KDUB AV CLUB
I love this story so much. Awesome.
Fox in Taiwan
That kid was Albert Einstein.
King of All Buttocks
Wonderful story. I can actually feel it. I take that bus M5, every day. I don't see Isaac around though lol.
Shawni Ysais
I have to put my 2 cents in here.even tho it's not really mine. I had a biology teacher in Jr. College who had dinner with Linus Pauling and his family at his home. She said he entertained everyone with these intricate toys that he had built and was a perfectly captivating host. The best I can do for myself, is having seen Sammy Davis Jr driving on the freeway in the early 70s with his wife Altovese! I was 11 and he waved at me from his Cadillac. He had a wonderful smile.
kalm grist
He's driving the bus! I'n his own gentle way! x
Pietro Saba
every fucking video about anybody has this kind of comment, for those of you that don't know yet, IT'S FAKE.
The Portraitist
I met him post a lecture at a sci-fi convention, as a kid (me, not him). But nothing like your wonderful story. Nice memory to have.
dannydoc1969
 @Varga Béla Texas  well, I’m really going to make you cry, but I went to Stony Brook University, and took an astronomy course called Intelligent Life In The Universe, using Carl Sagan’s book. He came down from Cornell as a guest lecturer for a few days, and I got to not only meet him, but was able to ask him many questions.
dannydoc1969
 @Pietro Saba  sorry to disappoint you, but it’s a true story.
dannydoc1969
 @Scientific Humanist  well, I’m really going to make you cry, but I went to Stony Brook University, and took an astronomy course called Intelligent Life In The Universe, using Carl Sagan’s book. He came down from Cornell as a guest lecturer for a few days, and I got to not only meet him, but was able to ask him many questions.
Shawni Ysais
 @Pietro Saba  sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
John Wright
Thanks for a great story. Curiosity is infectious. I hope that you are still in the sciences! (I am a teacher).
Fran Bull
From what you write here, I have the feeling Dr. Asimov remembers that conversation with you with equal enthusiasm.
Chris Winter
I'm envious. I started reading this guy when I was 11 years old, and his thinking has shaped much of mine. This interview is wonderful, by the way. It's a far cry from the content-less soundbites and platitudes we're subjected to in the media, be they social or traditional, these days. Wonderful. His interviewer comes across as thoughtful and erudite, it's all very civilized. And it doesn't need to be done in three minutes. while selling a movie. I love it. And I am happy you got to have that bus ride with this man.
David Palmer
A million dollar memory! A wonderful man.
Doug R.
What year did you graduate Bx Sci? 1967 here
Daniel Gregg
He was my father's biochem professor at Boston University. My father said he was an asshole. lol. (There's a long story behind that, by the way. He tried to flunk a whole class when they didn't want to show up for an exam he had scheduled in right in the middle of a popular sporting event on campus.)
Doug R.
 @Daniel Gregg  he was a SciFi writer instead of being a forefront researcher. He could have benefited many more people (in a more important way) with scientific research, instead he chose to be an entertainer. I remember a co worker stomping around cursing when he saw Dr. Asimov’s financial data in 1985 —-the guy was a lead in the workplace but was also an A-H.
Doug R.
 @Hedgehog's Right of Passage  sorry, but the concept of there being a creator of the Universe is an anthropocentric one.... Tsellim or no...... useful perhaps in partially rebuilding some aspects of shattered self-esteem, but dangerous as building on a Gödelian unproveable and un-disproveable concept can be a house of cards. Just because you aver something is built on logic and use capital letters does not make it so
Doug R.
 @Linda Marion  I attended a convention of a similar nature in Manhattan circa 1968-9.... the year someone costumed as “The Horda@ won for being a crawling rug :). Someone in line outside the hotel stated that Robert Resnick, the RPI (Renselear Polytechnic Institute) physicist whose introductory mechanics and electrodynamics texts many engineering and physics undergrads studied from was present, but I was not interested in being a “groupie” for him. My companion was an NYU computer science student who was a UNIX guru for Norway offshore oil rigs until his death in 2002. The hosting hotel may have been near 47th Street or nearby. My friend left for Norway in 1971 after lying to his draft board.
Doug R.
 @Pietro Saba  which kind of one are you referring to? Using uncouth language gives emphasis but no information content
Doug R.
 @dannydoc1969  duplcate posting please delete to conserve bandwidth and server memory. They cost money & cause global warming, just like this post!
Doug R.
The hosting hotel may have been around 47th St. or in the environs
Hedgehog's Right of Passage
 @Doug R.  Don't be sorry. Respect to your opinion. I once shared it until age 25.BTW I have a married daughter Asimov. Her husband's grandfather is Isaac's first cousin by way of our Chabad Chasidim.
Doug R.
 @Hedgehog's Right of Passage  mazel Tov! & todah rabbah! :). Chag Hanukkah Sameach!
Raisaa Abdullah
What a brilliant intellectual discourse! I wish these kind of conversations are shown in schools to teach kids on how to communicate without conflict, and respect your fellow human beings
Robert Rozier
What a brilliant man - and what an amazing interviewer. We need more of this in our lives, in our societies, today (2020)
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Since the publication of the first edition in 2000, Sustainable Landscape Construction has helped to spur a movement towards resilient outdoor environments, in the U.S. and throughout the world. The third edition has been updated to include important recent developments in this landscape revolution. It remains essential reading for everyone with an interest in "green" design of outdoor spaces and infrastructures.

Like its predecessors, the new edition of Sustainable Landscape Construction is organized around principles, recognizing that built environments, and our work in them, pose both pragmatic and ethical challenges. Each chapter focuses on one overarching site goal, such as “Pave Less,” “Heal Injured Sites,” and “Consider Origin and Fate of Materials.” These principles of land sustainability are clearly articulated and developed through specific examples of more than 100 projects from around the world, reflecting both traditions and recent innovations. Expanded coverage of industry trends toward performance monitoring, and of lessons from project failures, form an important enhancement in this edition. 

New content also details the necessity to plan adaptively, not just preventively, for the realities of changing climate and intensifying weather. Some of the trends covered will shift how landscape architects and contractors will do business in challenging years ahead: to survive, many professionals and clients will focus on restoration projects, motivated by ecosystem services and social justice, and funded by innovative methods.

Sustainable Landscape Construction is part of the canon of landscape construction texts, and with this update, remains a visionary, one of a kind reference for professionals and students.

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The Shaman's Mind: Huna Wisdom to Change Your Life
By Jonathan Hammond
308 pages
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To learn to think like a shaman is to attune yourself to a magical spectrum of infinite possibilities, unseen truths, alternative realities, and spiritual support. When a shaman likes what’s happening, they know how to make it better, and when they don’t, they know how to change it. The Shaman’s Mind is a book that teaches the reader how to align and transform their own mind into one that sees the world through the lens of the indigenous healers of old. Based on the Omega workshop by the same name.

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Monkfish Book Publishing
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Jul 7, 2020
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About the author
JHJonathan Hammond


Jonathan Hammond is a teacher, energy healer, shamanic practitioner, and spiritual counselor. A graduate of Harvard University and the University of Michigan, he is a certified master teacher in Shamanic, Usui, and Karuna Reiki as well as the advanced graduate studies advisor for Shamanic Reiki Worldwide. He teaches classes in shamanism, energy healing, spirituality, and Huna at Omega Institute and around the world. This is his first book.
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Rooted in ancient Hawaiian teachings, this book will provoke the reader into new ways of seeing themselves and the world.

To learn to think like a Shaman is to attune yourself to a magical spectrum of infinite possibilities, unseen truths, alternative realities, and spiritual support. When a Shaman likes what's happening, they know how to make it better, and when they don't, they know how to change it. The Shaman's Mind is a book that teaches the reader how to align and transform their own mind into one that sees the world through the lens of the indigenous healers of old. Based on the Omega workshop by the same name.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Language manual
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 14 April 2021
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Although there are some, and they're interesting, I'd have liked to read more anecdotes - examples of practical application of Hawaiian wisdom.
The first half of the book is about the author's life which was too long really for a book with this title. The middle is the 7 principles of Huna which was the most intriguing part. However, the message was obfuscated by constant references to the Hawaiian language, including entire sentences. An editor's pen should have deleted 99% of those; they add nothing to the book's message and just make reading a clunky experience (unless you're Hawaiian I suppose). The final section is a set of meditations. I couldn't find anything truly original in here, but that's probably because I've read too much spiritual literature over the years.
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Brian J Walsh
5.0 out of 5 stars Down to Earth and Practical Wisdom
Reviewed in the United States on 11 August 2020
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If you are looking for applicable and practical steps to take to improve the quality of your life, look no further. Jonathan transmits ancient Huna wisdom in easy to understand and, more importantly, easy to apply concepts. The book describes a spiritual practice that exists throughout our lives and empowers us to utilize this wisdom on a daily basis to create the experience we most desire.

Jonathan describes Hawaii and the wisdom of its land and people with a kind of mystical enchantment that transports the reader to the lush forest of their inner selves that mirrors those of the Hawaiian rain forests. The stories of waterfalls, mountains, beaches, and rich skies not only illuminate the Shamanistic wisdom featured in the book but reminds us that the same deeply connected wisdom is available to us all, at any time, in any place, if only we dare to look.

Both simple and deeply complex, as most spiritual paths tend to be, this book provides the reader with practices suitable for beginners and are capable of intense depth. After reading the book, I have already begun to think of the Huna principles regularly in my interactions and daily routines.

I suspect that future readings of the book will reveal ever deepening levels of wisdom. I can not wait to explore its depths just as one might explore the crater of an active volcano - and because the world is what I think it is - I know that I will be breathing with the Earth in that crater.

Reading this book felt like a breath of fresh air and I recommend it to anyone looking to connect more deeply to themselves, their planet, and their communities.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Simply amazing.
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I have never bought a book for so many people. This book is so incredible that I’ve sent it to at least 15 people.

Hawaiian Shamanism, who knew?

It has been over 25 years since I was in school, but I found myself studying this amazing book with a notebook and highlighter. It’s filled with incredible Huna wisdom: how to discern your purpose and direction and create the life that is aligned with your soul’s journey, how to forgive yourself and others, how to discover, develop, and stay in your power and intuition, and how to thrive in love and happiness.

Hammond also breaks down the Ku, Lono and Kane; the Hawaiian concepts of body, mind, and spirit. These chapters had a massive impact on me. I currently experience chronic pain and inflammation. After reading Hammond’s book I have a deeper insight into how to heal. The body remembers - especially what it felt the most intensely - and it has no concept of time and quite a long memory. It can also be at odds with your conscious mind, the Lono. The Ku is the child, and it needs to know it’s loved and safe. It needs to be guided, or it will continue to repeat patterns, something I’m sure we can all relate to. The Kane harnesses the spiritual and creative energies that manifest our inspired vision. It can help to create a life that is much bigger than we ever imagined. This incredible book teaches us how to parent our inner child; lovingly paying attention, empowering and showing the child how to create the life they want, as there are infinite possibilities available to it.

The final chapter of the book is about Ho’oponopono, a Hawaiian forgiveness practice. Ho’oponopono is all about “letting go or erasing the memory patters helps in our unconscious mind that are harmful and do not serve us.” Ho’oponopono consists of four simple phrases that communicate with the bodychild who unfortunately learned and currently believes mistaken things about themselves. These are the hurt parts. The addictive parts. The sick parts. Sometimes we don’t take very good care of ourselves. The Ku - the child - has had enough. It’s time to do right by it. Ho-oponopono - and this book - teaches us how to see, forgive, love, and practice compassion towards ourselves.

Jonathan Hammond has a big Harvard brain and a big Huna heart. I feel lucky and grateful to have read this book and shared it with others. Filled with modern wit and ancient wisdom, it is a must-read for those who want to discover, guide, and love themselves towards their wildest dreams.
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5.0 out of 5 stars This Book Will Truly Change Your Life!
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The Shaman's Mind is a deeply healing and unbelievably empowering book. It inspires you to not just read the material but to live it.

The first line of the preface is, "This book is about becoming a finder and not a seeker." (No spoilers but) Jonathan Hammond more than delivers on that promise. I found SO much wisdom in this book and it's many practices. And call it a coincidence, but by applying the information and exercises to my own circumstances and beliefs, every single area of my life has improved. This work helped me to heal many old wounds and has changed the way I use my mind, which has allowed me to step fully into my power and move my life into alignment with my purpose. It rocks.

This book really is absolutely AMAZING. I have read other books on this subject and, while the teachings of Huna have always been incredible, they have never been explained in such a clear, relatable, and engaging way. The Shaman's Mind is beautifully written, delightfully personal, and makes major, mind-expanding, life-changing concepts completely accessible and practical. If everyone could read this book, I believe the world would be a better place. That's why I've already purchased multiple copies for friends (you know you love a book when you won't let anyone borrow yours)!

Long story short: Jonathan Hammond is a brilliant teacher and his book reflects that fact in every way. This work has changed my life and it will change yours, too.
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5.0 out of 5 stars I couldn't put this book down! A must read.
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If you are reading this review contemplating ordering Jonathan's book - it is calling you. This is your sign. I haven't read a book this quickly in ages, as I could barely put it down. This is one of the most important and significant books I have read to help ground me in my journey and reprogram my mind to the truth - which is Aloha! Jonathan's storytelling and framing kept me on the edge of my seat while simultaneously teaching priceless tools. The consistent interweaving and honoring of Hawaiian culture while teaching Huna was a wonderful way to learn. So beautifully written - and I am deeply moved. Thank you for bringing this into the world at a time that we need it the most.
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Tony Ortega
Jul 28, 2020Tony Ortega rated it it was amazing
The only thing I would say even remotely negative (and it has nothing to do with the book) is that I wish it had been around 7 years ago when I started my spiritual journey as I would have saved thousands of dollars in other books, courses, seminars, and master classes. This book has everything you need to lead a more enlightened life. The way it is presented is only vaguely woo woo and not love and light (which unfortunately we see too much of in the market today). For a spiritual book, it is so down to earth and accessible. I can't wait to god into it again and again. The only other book of this nature that marveled me as much was A Return to Love. Definitely one of my top 2 spiritual books I have ever read. Thank you Jonathan. (less)
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Grady
Jul 07, 2020Grady rated it it was amazing
‘Give yourself your own paradise.’

New York author Jonathan Hammond earned his degrees from Harvard University and the University of Michigan, worked successfully as an actor on Broadway and television, and now is committed to his work as an energy healer, shamanic practitioner, and spiritual counselor. He teaches classes and gives lectures in Shamanism, Energy Healing, Spirituality and Huna at One Spirit Learning Alliance and the Omega Institute in New York City and in other venues globally. He is committed to empowering and healing people by bringing indigenous Earth wisdom to the modern world in spiritual retreats through his company, The Living Project.

For clarity, a Shaman is a religious practitioner who is believed to interact with a spirit world through altered states of consciousness, electing to direct these spirits or spiritual energies into the physical world for healing. Jonathan Hammond is a Shaman and in this book focuses on Huna – the esoteric knowledge and philosophy of Hawaii. In his preface he states, ‘This book is about becoming a finder and no longer a seeker. It’s about truly healing. It’s about learning to love yourself; to think straight; to step into wellness, prosperity, and love; and to feel the inner satisfaction of these attainments to such a degree that the inevitable response is to give yourself back to the world…The wisdom contained in this book transcends the culture from which it came [Hawaii] because it points to universal truths that open us to love, and as we open, so does the world…’

After sharing his story of how he came to embrace Hawaii and Huna, Jonathan opens the windows of Huna in a manner that not only elucidates the Huna principles, but also encourages us to interact in the various aspects of that thinking that results in spiritual growth. ‘Where we place our focus and attention creates the energetic influence that manifests things into being.’

THE SHAMAN’S MIND is one of the more successful spiritual healing guides, not only because it is so well written and accessible, but also because of the very obvious true caring of the author that encourages our learning. Very highly recommended. (less)
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Julie
Jan 01, 2021Julie rated it really liked it
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I really enjoyed and got a lot out of this book. I love that the author gave concrete and practical steps for connecting with the material. I can’t wait to read more from this author because I connected to and understand his message in a way that I haven’t connected to with other books on the topic. I bought the book without even reading the description on the back and was rather surprised at the content when I began... that has to mean something. However, I’m not sure I agree with the author that it is ok for a white person to tell the story of ancient Hawaiian spirituality- especially after he says that this is not how they would have passed down this information. I’m still wrestling with how that all sits with me. To be clear, it’s not his practice of those spiritual beliefs but his sharing of them and the manner in which he shares them that I am not entirely comfortable with. (less)
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Oct 11, 2021Antoinette rated it liked it
It was fine. Didn’t wow me. I liked the author’s personality and appreciate his life experience. I think the most valuable part to me was the take on ho opono ono. I don’t think I’ll do all the other practices because they seem exhausting.
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 2 문 하나님께서 무슨 규칙을 우리에게 주사 어떻게 자기를 영화롭게하고 즐거워할 것을 지시하셨습니까? 

      신구약 성경에 기록된  하나님의   말씀은1)  어떻게 우리가  그를 즐거워하고 영화롭게 할 것을 지시하는 유일한 규칙입니다2)

1)      "모든 성경은 하나님의 감동으로 된 것으로 교훈과 책망과 바르게 함과 의로 교육하기에 유익하다" (딤후 3:16).

2)      "내가 이 책의 예언의 말씀을 드는 각인에게 증거하노니 만일 누구든지 이것들 외에 더하면 하나님이 이 책에 기록된 재앙들을 그에게 더할실 터이요또 누구든지 이 예언의 책에 기록된 말씀에서 무엇을 제하여 버리면 하나님께서 이 책에 기록된 생명나무와 그 거룩한 성에 참예함을 제하여 버리실 것이라" ( 22:18,19) I. 인간 스스로   없는 놀라운 세계

이 세상은 알면 알수록 모르는 것이 더 많다는 것을 알아갑니다.

"그 때에 예수께서 성령으로 기뻐하시며 이르시되 천지의 주재이신 아버지여 이것을 지혜롭고 슬기 있는 자들에게는 숨기시고 어린 아이들에게는 나타내심을 감사하나이다 옳소이다 이렇게 된 것이 아버지의 뜻이니이다"( 10:21)

예수님의 말씀입니다이상하게도 주님은 "이것을지혜롭고 슬기있는 자들에게는 숨기시고 어린아이들에게는 나타내셨다고 말씀하신 적이 있습니다.

"이것"이란 무엇을 말하나요그것은 참 진리를 말하는 것입니다.

즉 하나님의 참 진리를 진정 알아야 할 지성인들이 사실상 그 참 진리를 알지 못하고 깨닫지 못하고 있다는 뜻입니다. 

그 말은 인간의 지성이 하나님의 참 진리를 자동적으로 알게 하는 것은 아니라는 말이지요오히려 그 지식의 교만으로 참 지식을 보는 눈을 잃어 버릴 수도 있다는 뜻입니다그리고 그들의 지성이 아무리 뛰어난다 하더라도 한계가 있음을 말하는 것입니다.

그런데 위의 예수님의 말씀은 동시에 교육도 잘 받지 못한 아주 평범한 사람들일지라도 그 가운데 어떤 이는 참 진리를 아는 참 지혜를 가졌다는 것을 시사하는 것이기도 합니다.

 

인간은 스스로 진리를 아는 지식에 이를 수 없기 때문에남의 도움 없이 자신의 힘으로 스스로 노력하여 배우면 배울수록 점점 더 미지의 세계를 만나게 되는 것이 현실입니다.

풍선을 불면 불수록 사방으로 팽창되듯이 인간의 학식도 배우면 배울수록 하나님의 창조와 섭리의 경이스럽고 끝없는 신비에 직면하게 되는 것입니다.

예를 들면별의 신비를 연구하기 위해서 새롭고보다 성능이 좋은 망원경을 발명했다고 합시다어떤 결과가 생길까요?

아마도 인간이 또 다시 연구해야 될 수백만의 새로운 별들을 발견하게 될 것입니다.

그렇기 때문에 과학 이론은 부단히 변할 수 밖에 없습니다인간이 발견하면 할수록 알지 못하는 더 많은 것들이 있음을 발견하게 되는 것입니다.

이와 같이 인간은 모든 것을 다 알 수 없고모르는 것이 더 많기 때문에 결국 만족하지 못하며또한 어떤 것도 온전하게는 알 수 없음을 깨닫게 되는 것입니다그것은 신학 뿐 아니라 철학의학인문학수학 등 모든 경지가 마찬가지입니다.

인간이 모든 것들을 완전히 알 수 없는 이유는 하나님께서 인간 자력으로 모든 것을 알 수 있도록 만들지 않았기 때문입니다.

그리고 그 참 진리를 알 수 있는 능력도 죄로 인하여 마음이 부패하고 희미하여 짐으로 인하여 다 잃어 버리고 말았기 때문입니다.

그래서 우리는 하나님의 계시가 필요합니다하나님이 주시는 지식이 필요하다는 것입니다.

II. 오직 하나님만이 주실  있는  지식

인간은 모든 것을 알 수가 없습니다오직 하나님만이 처음부터 모든 것을 아시며하나님만이 모든 것의 확실한 지식을 인간에게 주실 수 있습니다.

그래서 하나님은 전지전능하신 분이라 부릅니다그리고 전지전능하신 분이 아니라면 우리는 그 분을 하나님이라 부를 수가 없지요그런데 하나님이 주시는 이 지식은 태초부터 두 가지 방법으로 인간에게 왔습니다.

1) 자연계시

하나님이 자신을 드러내시는 첫번째 방법은 흔히 말하는 자연계시입니다.

하늘이 하나님의 영광을 선포하고 궁창이 그 손으로 하신 일을 나타내는도다” (

19:1).

창세로부터 그의 보이지 아니하는 것들 곧 그의 영원하신 능력과 신성이 그 만드신 말물에 분명히 보여 알게 되나니 그러므로 저희가 핑계치 못할지니라” ( 1:20).

즉 모든 만물그의 피조물 세계에 하나님은 당신의 모습을 계시하셨습니다자신의 위대함자신의 섬세함자신의 능력과 사랑그리고 창조주이심을 나타내셨습니다.

불행하게도 인간이 범한 죄로 인하여 인간의 마음과 양심은 전적으로 부패하게 되었고하나님을 알 수 있는 영은 죽은 상태가 되고 말았습니다.

결국 스스로 이 자연계시를 통하여 하나님을 알 수 없는 상태로 떨어진 것입니다하나님의 계시가 부족해서가 아니라 그것을 받아 보는 인간의 시력이 더 이상 사실을 바로 볼 수 없는 상태로 떨어졌다는 것이지요.

2) 특별계시

결국 하나님으 인간에게 특수한 방법으로 자신과 자신의 뜻을 나타내시기를 원하셨습니다그것을 우리는 하나님의 특별하신 계시라고 해서 특별 계시라고 부릅니다그래서 하나님이 자신을 드러내시는 두 번째 방법은 특별계시입니다.

하나님은 낙원에서도 아담에게 말씀하셨습니다아담은 하나님의 피조물들과 어울러 그의 말씀도 가졌습니다아담은 자연을 봄으로 많은 것을 알 수 있었습니다.

그러나 물론 그가 모든 것을 알 수 있었던 것은 아닙니다예를 들면그는 아직 일어나지 않은 것은 알 수 없었습니다.

그러기 때문에 나무에서 과일을 따먹는 것 같은 아주 간단한 일을 확실히 알기 위해서 아담은 하나님 말씀의  아래서 자연의 현상들을 해석하는 것이 필요하였습니다.

아담이 마귀의 유혹을 받을 때 그 결과에 대하여 하나님의 말씀을 통하여 인식하고 행동을 결정하여야 하였습니다그러나 그는 그렇게 하지 않고뱀의 말을 받아들였고그것이 마치 사실인 것처럼 인식하였습니다즉 하나님의 말씀이 아닌 다른 지식을 근거로 판단을 내린 것입니다.

그러니까아담이 하나님을 거슬러 범죄했을 때 그는 하나님의 말씀도 거절하게 된 것입니다.

그는 하나님이 그때에 어떤 것이 옳은가를 말해 줄 필요가 없는 것처럼 행동 하였습니다.

대신에 그는 진리를 발견하려는 소위 “과학적 방법”, 즉 시행 착오의 방법을 시도하려고 결정했습니다.

그때부터 지금까지 아담과 모든 그의 후손들예수 그리스도를 통하여 구원에 이르는 자들 외에는 흑암 속을 헤매게 되었습니다.

이것은 하나님의 계시가 불완전하여 어떤 “어둠이 있기 때문이 아닙니다하나님의 “은 아직도 그가 만드신 만물에 밝게 비치고 있습니다.

범죄하기 전죄 없는 아담도 하나님의 말씀의 “없이는 자연의 “을 이해할 수 없었을진대 하물며 오늘 우리는 어떠하겠습니까?

범죄한 후의 우리 인간은 더욱 하나님의 말씀의 빛이 필요할 것입니다아니 절대적으로 필요할 것입니다.

특별히 죄로부터 구원을 받을 수 있는 유일한 길은 오직 성경에만 계시되어 있습니다자연 가운데 나타난 하나님의 계시가 인간을 그 상태대로 버려 둔다 해서 부족한 것은 없습니다자연 계시는 인간이 하나님을 경배하고 섬기도록 참 하나님의 영광을 나타냅니다.

그러나 특별계시인 성경에서만이 인간이 죄로부터 구원 받기 위해서는 믿어야 할 것과 하나님을 섬기기 위해서 해야 할 것이 무엇인가를 실제로 배울 수 있는 것입니다.

하나님은 인간의 구원을 위하여 특별계시를 주신 것입니다그러니까 특별계시는 하나님의 특별한 사랑의 표현인 것입니다그리고 그것은 바로 하나님의 말씀입니다III. 무오한 하나님의 기록된 말씀


이 특별계시는 기록된 하나님의 말씀곧 성경입니다그런데 하나님께서는 그 기록 과정에서 하나님의 전능하신 능력을 발휘하셨습니다.

구약은 선지자를 통하여신약은 여러 사도들을 통하여 기록하셨습니다그러나 그들의 인격과 성격삶의 배경을 전혀 무시하지 않고 활용하시면서도 무오한 하나님의 말씀을 기록케 하셨습니다그리고 그것은 성령 하나님을 통하여 가능케 하셨습니다.

"모든 성경은 하나님의 감동으로 된 것으로 교훈과 책망과 바르게 함과 의로 교육하기에 유익하다" (딤후 3:16).

40여명이 넘는 저자들이  1600년에 걸쳐서 기록하였습니다그리고 그들의 배경은 너무나도 달랐습니다무식자유식자농부어부군인학자의사 등 참으로 다양하였습니다그럼에도 놀라운 것은 마치 한 사람이 기록한 것 같음을 느낍니다그것은 당연합니다저자가 한 분이시기 때문이지요성령님이십니다.

그런데 이러한 하나님의 말씀의 무오하심을 반대하는 사람들이 나타났습니다.

자신의 이성과 합리주의를 근거로 이해가 되는 것은 하나님의 말씀으로 받아 들이지만 기적과 같은 것은 받아 들일 수 없는 신화와 같은 것이라는 것입니다.

이러한 사람들을 우리는 자유주의 신학자들이라고 합니다.

이들의 말을 통하여 정리하자면 성경에서 남는 것은 도덕적인 교훈 몇가지와 성경 껍데기만 남습니다왜나햐면 성경은 처음부터 전능하신 하나님의 초자연적인 역사로 가득차 있기 때문입니다.

또 소위 신정통주의자또는 바르트주의라고도 하는데이 사람들은 "성경이 인간이 기록한 것이고 오류가 당연히 많지만우리 마음 속에 감동으로 다가올 때에 하나님의 말씀일 된다(to become)"라고 주장합니다.

이러한 주장은 복음주의 교회 내에서 많이 영향을 미치고 있는 것입니다.

그들은 말하기를 사람들이 이 인간의 말인 성경을 읽을 그때하나님은 이 인간의 말을 통하여 그들 자신의 마음에 하나님의 참된 말씀을 받도록 하기 위하여 인간의 말인 성경을 아무튼 사용하신다고 말합니다.

성경의 어떤 부분은 하나님의 말씀이 인간에게 임하는 수단이기는 하지만 갑에게는 성경의 한 부분만이 말씀하고을에게는 성경의 저 부분만이 말씀으로 되어진다는 것이다그러나 성경은 분명히 경고하십니다.

"내가 이 책의 예언의 말씀을 드는 각인에게 증거하노니 만일 누구든지 이것들 외에 더하면 하나님이 이 책에 기록된 재앙들을 그에게 더할실 터이요또 누구든지 이 예언의 책에 기록된 말씀에서 무엇을 제하여 버리면 하나님께서 이 책에 기록된 생명나무와 그 거룩한 성에 참예함을 제하여 버리실 것이라"( 22:18,19)

우리가 믿는 견해를 개혁주의적 견해라고 하는 데그것은 하나님 말씀은 하나님 말씀이므로 우리가 이해를 지금 잘하든 못하든 관계없이 낱말 하나까지 무오한 말씀임을 믿습니다그리고모든 말씀이 성령의 영감으로 기록된 성경의 증거를 그대로 받아 들입니다설령 설령 불신자가 성경을 읽는다 하더라도또는 우리가 일시적으로 그 말씀을 잘 이해하지 못한다 할지라도 모든 성경은 그대로 변함없이 하나님의 말씀인 것입니다성경의 한 구절 한 구절이 모두 하나님의 말씀인 것입니다IV. 하나님의 믿음과 삶의 유일한 규칙으로서의 하나님 말씀

성경이 하나님의 말씀이며그리스도인들이 어떻게 하나님을 영화롭게 하고 살아갈 것인지를 바르게 가르쳐 주시는 유일한 계시의 말씀입니다.

그러므로 우리는 이 말씀에 대한 전적이고 무한한 신뢰를 가져야 합니다그러한 신뢰를 위하여 우리가 알아야 할 것들이 있습니다.

1) 우리는 성경이 무오(無誤)(Infallibility) 믿습니다.

이 말은 성경이 말하는 모든 것이 진리라는 의미입니다.

물론 문맥이나 말들의 상황을 떠나서 성경의 모든 진술을 진리로 받아들일 수 있다는 뜻은 아닙니다.

예를 들자면시편 53:1에는 “하나님이 없다.”란 말이 있는데이 말은 단지 진술의 한 부분에 불과한 것이지요그 말만 꺼내어서 이것이 진리이다라고 한다면 그것은 거직입니다성경이 무오하다는 것은 성경 전체를 놓고 볼 때에 그 부분은 진리이다라는 말입니다.

그 진술의 모두를 읽자면, “어리석은 자는 그 마음에 이르기를 하나님이 없다 하도다.”입니다.

성경 전체를 읽고 그것이 무엇을 의미하는가를 이해 할 때 우리는 성경의 모든 진술이 무오함을 알 수 있습니다. 

2) 성경은 명료(Clarity)하다.

성경은 평범한 사람들이 이해할 수 있도록 기록되었습니다특별히 성경적 훈련이나 교육을 받은 사람만 이해할 수 있는 말씀이 아닙니다.

하나님은 어린아이들에게까지도 직접 말씀하십니다.( 6:1-3).

어떤 교회는 이것을 부인하면서성경을 이해할 수 있는 자들은 사제나 학자들만이라고 합니다그리고는 알반 사람들에게 성경을 마음대로 읽는 것을 금합니다.

물론 성경에는 우리가 이해하지 못할 많은 것이 있음은 사실입니다그것은 박식한 학자라 할지라도 마찬가지일 것입니다.

그러나 하나님께서는 그의 성령님으로 평범한 사람들이 구원을 받는 데 알아야 할 필요가 있는 것들을 아주 분명히 이해하도록 인도하실 수 있고또 인도하십니다.

구원의 길을 보일 뿐 아니라,  구원받은 사람이 어떻게 하나님을 기쁘시게 하며 살아야 하는지를 분명히 보여 주는 것입니다.

3) 성경은 충족(Sufficiency)하다.

그리고우리가 구원을 위해 알아야 될 바를 알기 위해서 성경 외에 어떤 것도 필요하지 않다는 사실도 강조하여야 합니다.

오늘날 종교다원주의가 이것을 부인합니다그리고 많은 그릇된 혼합주의적 종교가 이것을 부인합니다성경외에도 다른 계시가 필요하다고 주장합니다.

로마 카토릭에서는 성경을 믿지만마찬가지로 교회의 전통과 교황의 공적 말을 믿어야 한다고 말합니다현대주의자들은 성경과 아울러 ‘과학의 발견이 필요하다고 말합니다그러나 예수님은 성경만으로 충분하다고 말씀하셨다 ( 22:18-20).

성경은 스스로 말하기를 성경을 가진 자들은 “모든 선한 일을 하기에 온전하다.”고 말합니다.(딤후 3:15-17).

그러면 신조나 신앙 고백개혁주의 교회의 교리서 등은 어떻게 생각하여야 합니까?

당연히 우리는 이것들이 성경보다 훨씬 아래에 있음을 항상 기억해야 합니다이것들은 어떤 방법으로든지 성경과 동등시 되어서는 안 되며또 되려고 의도되지도 않았습니다.

우리는 이것들을성경을 가르침에 있어서 편리한 요약으로 사용 할 뿐이며주석과 같이 성경을 이해하는데 도움을 줄 뿐입니다.

그리고 우리는 “교리 문답만을 믿는다.”고 말한다거나 그것에 결코 만족해서도 안됩니다.

그리고 우리 개개인은 성경을 읽고 연구함으로써 교리 문답의 가르침이 올바르다고 입증됨을 항상 확신해야 합니다그래야만 우리의 신앙은 인정될 수 있고 안전하게 되는 것입니다.

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1)     교육을 많이 받은 현자는 교육을 받지 않은 범인즉 보통 사람들보다 하나님의 진리를 아는 데 더 나은가요그 이유는 무엇입니까?

2)     자연계시와 특별계시가 무엇인지를 설명하여 보십시오왜 우리에게 특별계시가 필요한지를 함께 설명하여 주세요.

3)     하나님의 "말씀의 빛아래서 사물을 판단하였던 인간이 이제 실험과 시행착오의 과정을 거치는 "과학적 방법"을 채택하게 됩니다.     여러분들의 생각에 무엇이 문제라고 생각하십니까?

4)     자유주의 와 신정통주의그리고 개혁주의 성경관에 대하여 차이점을 간단히 설명하여 보세요.

5)     성경이 무오하다.” “성경이 명료하다.” “성경이 충족하다.”란 뜻이 무엇인지를 설명하여 보세요그리고 누가 이것을 부인하는지 말해 보세요.

6)     성경이 충족성을 가졌다면 왜 교리 문답이 필요한가?

New book shines light on abuse and racist discrimination of Catholic nuns

New book shines light on abuse and racist discrimination of Catholic nuns



New book shines light on abuse and racist discrimination of Catholic nuns
'The Veil of Silence,' a new book by Vatican reporter Salvatore Cernuzio, details the racism, abuse and discrimination faced by nuns in female Catholic congregations.
Nuns follow Pope Francis as he recites the Angelus noon prayer from the window of his studio overlooking St.Peter's Square, at the Vatican, Sunday, Aug. 16, 2020. (AP Photo/Andrew Medichini)
November 29, 2021
By
Claire Giangravé

VATICAN CITY (RNS) — In a newly published book, a Vatican journalist details the mental and physical abuse, oppression and racism experienced by religious sisters. Their treatment is often considered one of the most hidden issues within the Catholic Church.

The book, “The Veil of Silence: Abuses, Violence and Frustrations in Female Religious Life,” is written by Salvatore Cernuzio, a Vatican reporter from Italy, after he began to hear the stories of abuse and belittlement that exist in many female religious congregations.

Cernuzio tells the story of 11 nuns from different backgrounds and from countries all over the world who experienced forms of abuse — verbal, physical and sexual — while in a religious congregation. The stories differ in terms of who perpetrated the abuse, the reactions of the victims and the cultural context. But the stories share a common approach from the hierarchy, the book argues.

“They chose to ‘protect’ the good name of the institution by sacrificing the victim,” Cernuzio writes in the introduction to his book. “The abused nun is transferred, accused of seducing the priest, and the priest stays at his place, continuing his predatory activity undisturbed.”


The Italian cover of “The Veil of Silence: Abuses, Violence and Frustrations in Female Religious Life” by Salvatore Cernuzio. Courtesy image

When the abuse comes from a woman, the alleged victims are laughed off, Cernuzio wrote. Most of the stories in the book do not involve sexual abuse but, rather, cases of psychological abuse and abuse of power that have left a deep mark in the lives of the nuns. The fact that instances of abuse in female congregations vary widely makes them “even more difficult to recognize and address,” Cernuzio writes.

The issue of racism emerges several times in the book, often experienced by women from Africa, India and the Philippines who are more vulnerable because they lack social support. “Many claim to have been evaluated based on the color of their skin or their country of origin, regardless of their qualities and formation,” Cernuzio wrote.

A Black nun in the book, referred to as Anne-Marie, spent every morning clearing snow during the winter in Minnesota while the other nuns watched from inside. She also felt like she was never listened to during the community meetings, “especially because I was foreign, and worse still, African.”

Every nun who spoke to Cernuzio asked to remain anonymous, a clear sign of the “climate of fear” that Cernuzio believes to be the “most dangerous and challenging obstacle to possible reform efforts.”

Many of the nuns saw their congregations and even the Vatican turn their back on them once they decided to leave their communities and were left alone to address the mental health issues they developed as a result of their experiences.

“They forgot that behind the habit there were people,” said the nun, Marcela, in the book, adding that many in her congregation suffered from stress and burnout. Another nun said she was forced by her superiors to leave the congregation after being diagnosed with depression.

In 2019, on his flight back from an apostolic visit to the Middle East, Pope Francis acknowledged the reality of abuse experienced by many religious sisters, which he described as an “ongoing problem” and a “scandal.” He told reporters that some clergymen had already been suspended as a result and that the church was “working on it.”

That same year, Pope Francis issued a decree known as a motu proprio, called “Vos Estis Lux Mundi,” meaning “You are the light of the world.” The document introduced new procedures to combat sexual abuse, making it mandatory for priests and nuns to report cases of abuse to the competent authorities.


Salvatore Cernuzio. Courtesy photo

A nun in the book, going by the name Elizabeth, said she was stopped from reporting the abuse of a fellow nun by her superior general, despite Pope Francis’ decree. In the book, she talked to Cernuzio about religious sisters being “kept in captivity.”

Another nun, Sister Aleksandra, claimed she was sexually abused by a priest with whom she collaborated for a project to support young women wishing to become nuns. When she reported the fact to her superior general, she was told there had been previous reports and that “obviously, if it happened, it’s because us nuns provoked the priests.”

Nearly 4% of religious congregations have been put under investigation by the Vatican due to abuse allegations, according to data from the Vatican Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life, but Cernuzio believes this is “just the tip of the iceberg.”

Numerous cases of abuse of nuns have been reported all over the world, and in India a bishop was arrested in 2018 for having allegedly abused a nun 13 times over the span of two years. In July 2020, the Jesuit-run magazine “Civiltà Cattolica” published a report on the cases of sexual abuse of nuns. A 2018 investigative report by the Associated Press found that the abuse of nuns “is global and pervasive, thanks to the universal tradition of sisters’ second-class status in the Catholic Church and their ingrained subservience to the men who run it.”

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Religious orders are at their worst “when they are interpreted and enacted in such a way to infantilize, oppress or even manipulate and destroy people,” wrote Sr. Nathalie Becquart, the undersecretary of the General Secretariat for the Synod of Bishops, in the preface to the book.

According to Becquart, the abuse of nuns in the Catholic Church must be addressed in the wider context of synodality, referring to Pope Francis’ effort to reform the power structures within the institution through “listening and the participation of everyone and taking joined responsibility.”

Lucetta Scaraffia, the former editor of “Women, Church, World,” a monthly magazine published alongside the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, resigned in 2019, claiming that the Vatican had tried to stop her from publishing stories on the abuse of nuns.

In an interview with Religion News Service, Scaraffia said the abuse of nuns in the church is a “much more complex” issue, because in some cases priests who committed the abuse are also responsible for procuring abortions if the nun is pregnant. The Catholic Church is vocally opposed to abortion and considers it a sin, meaning such cases create “a crisis of credibility of the church that goes beyond sexual weakness.”

“Since there are loads of reports by religious sisters at the Vatican, they don’t want to consider them as believable voices,” Scaraffia said. “If you don’t think the reports of abuse are believable it implies that you don’t think that anything coming from women is believable, for me these two things are connected.”

“The Veil of Silence” is currently only available in Italian.