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stopitaggersPosts: 18Location: Pontefract UK
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:15 pm
I'd appreciate some views on which of Jon's books I should read first. Does it matter what order they are read in?
As a novice, my only book so far has been "Mindfulness for Dummies", which I found quite comprehensive and written in a gentle, supportive way.
I was lurking in Waterstones bookshop the other day and skimmed through the "Rough Guide to Mindfulness" (yes, there is one - and pretty good too) and the suggestion there is to read "Full catastrophe living" first, then move on from there.
Thoughts anyone?
Dave
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Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:46 pm
I read "Wherever You Go, There You Are" and it changed my life, I then went on to read the others after that. I'm not too sure that it matters the order that you read them in.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:39 am
I started with "Mindfulness: A practical guide to finding peace in a frantic world" by Mark Williams and Danny Penman and
then moved on to JKZ's "Wherever You Go..."
Then I read JKZ's "Full Catastrophe Living" and "Coming To Our Senses".
That order worked for me. "Full Catastrophe Living", in my opinion, would be too challenging a read if one hadn't read "Wherever You Go..." first.
For beginners I'd also highly recommend Oli Doyle's "Mindfulness Pure & Simple", "The Mindfulness Manifesto" by Dr. Jonty Heaversedge and Ed Halliwell, "The Mindful Way Through Depression: Freeing Yourself from Chronic Unhappiness" by Mark Williams, John Teasdale, Zindel Segal and JKZ, and "The Miracle Of Mindfulness" by Thich Nhat Hanh.
If you fancy looking into Zen, the works of Alan Watts are indispensable. Roshi Philip Kapleau's The Three Pillars Of Zen is a great starting point.
Cheers, Jon
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phmoisanPosts: 4
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:17 am
JonW wrote:"Full Catastrophe Living", in my opinion, would be too challenging a read if one hadn't read "Wherever You Go..." first.I had that order in mind, thanks for confirming it, Jon
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:20 am
Kabat-Zinn's Coming To Our Senses is, for me, the perfect book to read just at the point when mindfulness is a natural part of your everyday life. Not only is it the greatest book about mindfulness I have read, it's one of my favourite books period. Every page is packed with gentle wisdom. Not available on Kindle and new copies are a little pricey. But Amazon usually have good offers. It's currently available for £11, less than half its recommended retail price. But it is a whopping great door-stopper of book so you more than get your money's worth.
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stopitaggersPosts: 18Location: Pontefract UK
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:56 am
Thanks guys, "Wherever you go ..." has just arrived and after I've read that I will follow your recommendations.
Dave
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:19 pm
Let us know what you think, Dave. A masterpiece, in my view. So beautifully written, so utterly wise.
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact: Contact FeeHutch
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:04 pm
I am thinking of getting 'Coming To Our Senses', I haven't read that much JKZ and this sounds like the book most fitting to where I am right now.
I need to factor in more reading time in to my day when the children are back at school. I have so many books and articles I want to read and somehow I don't have the time. I know that is because of the time I spend mindlessly watching the TV. I found the recent exercise on avoiding social media gave me a lot more time too so I need to take this forward I think.
I will report back in due corse
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:20 pm
Coming To Our Senses should keep you occupied for a while, weighing in at 600+ pages.
I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin.
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact: Contact FeeHutch
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:28 pm
JonW wrote:Coming To Our Senses should keep you occupied for a while, weighing in at 600+ pages.
I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin.That made me smile
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:48 pm
Jon
"I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin."
That's a really nice way of looking at it. JKZ's books are good for just making you feel it all makes sense and it can be tempting to just read and read (and his style of speech and writing just goes on and on in a continuous stream - I believe he really could talk all night). But as he says, you can read until you are blue in the face, but you also need to practice. So savouring like a raisin is very apt.
For me a blend of reading and practising is good. I also read books on positive psychology and am currently reading 'The Happiness Advantage" by Shawn Achor - and its very noticeable that all such books recommend mindfulness/meditation as the bedrock on which to base a more positive/happier outlook.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:10 pm
Thanks Fee and Steve.
I'll check out the Shawn Achor book.
I'm mainly reading books by Toni Packer at the moment. Though Packer's not strictly writing about mindfulness (she's been described as "a Zen teacher minus the Zen"), she's the closest I've got to encountering a female version of Kabat-Zinn. She's so gently wise that I feel the need to jot down passages every other paragraph. Like Kabat-Zinn, she writes in that "continuous stream" style that Steve mentioned in connection with JKZ.
I doubt I'm for the turning at my age but I do quite "fancy" Jon Kabat-Zinn. There's something about his writing that suggests to me he'd make a damn fine kisser. Anyway, I've got that off my chest now!
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StevePosts: 277Location: Oxford, UK
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:19 pm
Jon
LOL - as nice as he is as a person, and having seen him in real life, I can't say he does it for me in that way! But hey everyone to their own.
Toni Packer's work sound interesting, I'll look it up - as Fee says there is no danger of ever running out of stuff to read! Good job a love of learning is one of my core strengths!
Steve
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:04 pm
Steve, every man is entitled to a man crush.
Feel free to share...
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact:
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:37 pm
I do believe I just LOL'd
I really can't wait for this book to arrive now so I can share both my opinions on JKZ's writing and possible kissing ability!
“Being mindful means that we take in the present moment as it is rather than as we would like it to be.”
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flowPosts: 7Location: Canada
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:13 pm
Hello,
I started with Full Catastrophe Living about 3 years ago, passed onto me by my sister, who found it helpful. It changed my thinking and marks when a positive shift began in my life. Last year I passed that book on to someone else, but will probably get myself another copy. Meanwhile, "Wherever You Go, There You Are" is by my bedside. I won't let go of that one.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:42 pm
I was thrilled to notice that Jon Kabat-Zinn (hereafter to be known as The Gorgeous Jon Kabat-Zinn!) has a new book out, or at least a book written in conjunction with Mark Williams. It's a bit pricey but I couldn't resist ordering it. I'll let you all know what I think when I'm done with it.
Cheers, Jon
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact:
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:32 pm
I will wait eagerly to hear your thoughts on this one.
I need to read my new book and listen to the audio books before buying anything else. Hopefully it will be a bit cheaper by then
“Being mindful means that we take in the present moment as it is rather than as we would like it to be.”
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https://adlibbed.blogspot.co.uk/p/mindfu ... lence.html
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:02 pm
Twenty quid is a bit steep but I'm off the sauce at the minute so I figured I'd only have spent that amount on wine this weekend. This way I'm sober and I get to read yet more JKZ. Though I've got a feeling he's only done the intro to this one...
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:05 pm
I too adore the way that JKZ writes, and I have this man to thank for introducing me to this thing that changed my life.
My only problem with his work is that it sometimes feels a bit wordy and somewhat inaccessible to people who perhaps aren't so intellectually capable. Mindfulness is an very simple concept when you really strip it back, and while JKZ's work is utterly compelling, I don't think it's for everyone.
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:26 pm
Again, it's like the raisin that we started out this adventure with.
Kabat-Zinn is best savoured slowly. Paragraph by paragraph. Don't tip the whole bag of raisins into your gob all at once. And don't rush the mighty JKZ. All in your own sweet time. Moment by moment.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:48 pm
ps. Unless you're munching on a Garabaldi biscuit, obviously.
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:48 pm
Jon
"I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin."
That's a really nice way of looking at it. JKZ's books are good for just making you feel it all makes sense and it can be tempting to just read and read (and his style of speech and writing just goes on and on in a continuous stream - I believe he really could talk all night). But as he says, you can read until you are blue in the face, but you also need to practice. So savouring like a raisin is very apt.
For me a blend of reading and practising is good. I also read books on positive psychology and am currently reading 'The Happiness Advantage" by Shawn Achor - and its very noticeable that all such books recommend mindfulness/meditation as the bedrock on which to base a more positive/happier outlook.
Steve
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:10 pm
Thanks Fee and Steve.
I'll check out the Shawn Achor book.
I'm mainly reading books by Toni Packer at the moment. Though Packer's not strictly writing about mindfulness (she's been described as "a Zen teacher minus the Zen"), she's the closest I've got to encountering a female version of Kabat-Zinn. She's so gently wise that I feel the need to jot down passages every other paragraph. Like Kabat-Zinn, she writes in that "continuous stream" style that Steve mentioned in connection with JKZ.
I doubt I'm for the turning at my age but I do quite "fancy" Jon Kabat-Zinn. There's something about his writing that suggests to me he'd make a damn fine kisser. Anyway, I've got that off my chest now!
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StevePosts: 277Location: Oxford, UKQuote
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:19 pm
Jon
LOL - as nice as he is as a person, and having seen him in real life, I can't say he does it for me in that way! But hey everyone to their own.
Toni Packer's work sound interesting, I'll look it up - as Fee says there is no danger of ever running out of stuff to read! Good job a love of learning is one of my core strengths!
Steve
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:04 pm
Steve, every man is entitled to a man crush.
Feel free to share...
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact: Contact FeeHutch
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:37 pm
I do believe I just LOL'd
I really can't wait for this book to arrive now so I can share both my opinions on JKZ's writing and possible kissing ability!
“Being mindful means that we take in the present moment as it is rather than as we would like it to be.”
Mark Williams
https://adlibbed.blogspot.co.uk/p/mindfu ... lence.html
Find me on twitter - @feehutch
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flowPosts: 7Location: CanadaQuote
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:13 pm
Hello,
I started with Full Catastrophe Living about 3 years ago, passed onto me by my sister, who found it helpful. It changed my thinking and marks when a positive shift began in my life. Last year I passed that book on to someone else, but will probably get myself another copy. Meanwhile, "Wherever You Go, There You Are" is by my bedside. I won't let go of that one.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:42 pm
I was thrilled to notice that Jon Kabat-Zinn (hereafter to be known as The Gorgeous Jon Kabat-Zinn!) has a new book out, or at least a book written in conjunction with Mark Williams. It's a bit pricey but I couldn't resist ordering it. I'll let you all know what I think when I'm done with it.
Cheers, Jon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0415 ... UTF8&psc=1
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FeeHutchPosts: 1010Practice Mindfulness Since: 01 Mar 2012Location: Steel CityContact: Contact FeeHutch
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:32 pm
I will wait eagerly to hear your thoughts on this one.
I need to read my new book and listen to the audio books before buying anything else. Hopefully it will be a bit cheaper by then
“Being mindful means that we take in the present moment as it is rather than as we would like it to be.”
Mark Williams
https://adlibbed.blogspot.co.uk/p/mindfu ... lence.html
Find me on twitter - @feehutch
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:02 pm
Twenty quid is a bit steep but I'm off the sauce at the minute so I figured I'd only have spent that amount on wine this weekend. This way I'm sober and I get to read yet more JKZ. Though I've got a feeling he's only done the intro to this one...
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:05 pm
I too adore the way that JKZ writes, and I have this man to thank for introducing me to this thing that changed my life.
My only problem with his work is that it sometimes feels a bit wordy and somewhat inaccessible to people who perhaps aren't so intellectually capable. Mindfulness is an very simple concept when you really strip it back, and while JKZ's work is utterly compelling, I don't think it's for everyone.
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:26 pm
Again, it's like the raisin that we started out this adventure with.
Kabat-Zinn is best savoured slowly. Paragraph by paragraph. Don't tip the whole bag of raisins into your gob all at once. And don't rush the mighty JKZ. All in your own sweet time. Moment by moment.
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JonWTeam MemberPosts: 2840Practice Mindfulness Since: 08 Dec 2012Location: Brighton
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:48 pm
ps. Unless you're munching on a Garabaldi biscuit, obviously.
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