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2022/01/25

관상기도 - 나무위키

관상기도 - 나무위키

관상기도

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관상(觀想)기도는 마음의 상[1]을 보는 기도를 뜻한다.

1. 개요[편집]

정신을 집중하고 마음의 상을 보며 침묵으로 기도를 하는 것
기존의 신에게 의지하고 소리내어 부탁하는 일반적인 기도와는 다르게 나를 다시 돌아보고 신에게 감사와 반성 그 이외에 지향기도도 바칠 수 있는 기도이다.

가끔 떼제와 관상기도는 같은것으로 잘못 생각하기도 하는데 이 둘은 엄연히 다르다.

2010년 들어 한국 개신교가 타락하며 교회가 외적 성장 보다는 내적 성장에 중심을 두자며 여러 목사들에 의해서 국내에 잘 알려졌다.

2. 관상기도와 일반 기도와의 차이점[편집]

1) 구송(口誦)기도(vocal prayer). 간청하는 기도, 우리들이 소리를 내거나 마음속으로 소망을 주님께 아뢰든지 간에 말로 주님께 간청하는 기도를 말한다.

2) 명상기도(meditation). 기독교 신자들이 말씀을 읽고 묵상하는 큐티가 여기에 해당한다고 본다. 경건생활로 행하는 큐티는 매우 중요하다. 그러나 만약 큐티가 끝나고 나서 침묵 가운데 하나님 속에 편히 쉬는 시간을 보내는 관상기도를 한다면 큐티의 효과는 배가 될 것이다.

3) 관상 기도(contemplative prayer). 이 말은 ‘하나님 안에서 쉼’이란 뜻을 지니고 있다. 그래서 이러한 과정을 거쳐 주님과의 일치(communion, 친교, 합일)를 지향한다. 관상 기도를 크게 둘로 구분해볼 수 있다. 첫째는 능동적(active) 관상기도는 신자인 우리가 시간을 들여서 의지력으로 주님께 나아와 기도를 하는 것을 말한다. 관상기도를 한다고 할 때 이 단계의 관상기도를 수련하고 있는 것이다. 인간이 의지적으로 주님께 지향하며 침묵 가운데 있는 것이기 때문이다.[2]

3. 이교도 종교예식?[편집]

한국의 개신교의 대부분이 생각하는 기도는 방언기도, 통성기도 등 입으로 소리내어 기도하는 기도가 한국의 개신교의 일반적인 기도방식이다.
그러나 소리내지 않고 편안한 자세로 앉아 마음의 상을 보는 기도는 불교나 여타 다른 종교의 신비주의적인 해탈과 비슷하다는 논란이 제기되어 왔다. 그러나 관상기도는 1세기 초 부터 기독교신자들은 렉시오 디비나(거룩한 독서, 성독)를 하며 신앙생활을 해왔다. 당시에는 지금같이 성경이 인쇄되지 않아서 흔치 않았기에, 회당에 비치된 성경말씀을 듣기만 했다.
그래서 이들은 첫번째로 말씀을 듣고(Lectio) 두번째는 말씀을 묵상하고(meditatio) 세번째는 이 말씀에서 우러나오는 기도를 하고(oratio) 네번째는 말씀과 주님의 현존 안에서 쉼(contemplatio)의 4단계를 거치는 영성생활을 거쳤다고 한다. [3]
이 외에도 사막 교부들의 가르침 등이 알려지면서 이 논란은 빠르게 사그라드렀다.

4. 하는 법[편집]

기도에 정해진 방식이나 전례가 있는것은 아니나 대중적인 관상기도 방식은 이러하다.
1. 편안하고 조용한 자리에 앉아 편히 숨을 쉬며 안정을 취한다.
2. 내적으로 마음의 촛점을 맞춘다.
3. 마음과 정신이 연결되었을 때 혹은 그렇게 느낄때 정교회의 예수기도를 외운다.[4]
4. 떼제음악 등을 부르며 마친다.

이외에 성경을 읽거나 묵상을 하거나 성경 구절을 외우던 회개기도를 하던 중요하지 않다.
중요한건 우리가 사도신경이나 콘스탄티노플 니케아 신경을 외울때 '성령을 믿나니' 하는 그 성령과의 친교가 제일 중요한 것이다.
[1] 거울[2] 출처: 뉴스앤조이 관상기도란 무엇인가?[3] 관상기도를 대중화시킨 토마스 키딩의 책 中[4] 주 예수 그리스도 하느님의 외아드님이시어 우리('우리' 대신에 기도가 필요한 이의 이름을 넣을 수 있다)를 불쌍히 여기소서====관상기도란 무엇인가?기자명 권명수  승인 2007.05.16 
▲ 관상기도를 어느 정도 해본 신자들은 관상기도를 매우 강력한 기도라고 말한다. ⓒ뉴스앤조이 자료사진요즘 <뉴스앤조이>에서 뜨겁게 진행 중인 관상기도에 대한 논쟁은 긍정적 현상으로 보인다. 왜냐하면 이런 과정을 거치며 그간의 오해를 정리하고 이해도 높아지리라 여기는 까닭이다. 필자의 짧은 글이 이러한 논쟁에 얼마나 도움이 될지 의심스럽지만 평소 생각하고 가르치던 내용을 정리해보려고 한다. 부족한 점은 다음 기회를 빌면서 말이다.
기도란?
관상기도에 대해 논의하기 위해서는 무엇보다 기도에 대해 논의가 필요하다. ‘기도란 무엇이냐?’는 질문에 가장 자주 듣게 되는 대답은 ‘하나님께 인간의 간구와 소원을 아뢰는 행위’다. 이 말에는 하나님께 인간의 실존적 상황에서 발생한 문제를 간구하는 기도의 한 측면을 잘 드러낸다. 또 다른 기도 이해는 ‘하나님과의 대화’다. 대화로서의 기도 이해는 인간과 하나님께서 서로 말을 주고받는 쌍방적인 대화를 강조한다. 신자가 하나님께 간청하는 상향식의 대화와 이런 인간에게 찾아오셔서 응답하시는 하향식 대화의 영역이 있다. 하향식 기도에서는 인간의 간구기도에 대해 하나님께서 말씀하시는 응답을 경청과 순종하는 면이 강조된다. 첫 번째 기도 이해에서 부족한 면을 대화적 기도 이해에서 보충해준다. 기도가 하나님과의 ‘대화’라는 말에는 신자가 주님께 아뢰는 길과 주님께서 인간에게 사랑으로 응답하시는 길인 양자 간의 쌍방통행적 특성이 잘 드러나고 있다.
기도를 열심히 많이 하기로 소문이 나있는 한국의 그리스도교 신자들에게 부족한 면은 기도의 두 번째 측면인 주님께서 인간에게 찾아오셔서 인간의 기도에 응답하시는 말씀을 듣고 순종하는 청종의 부분이다. 관상기도는 이와 같은 경청과 순종의 부분을 보완해주는 역할을 충분히 할 수 있다고 필자는 믿고 있다. 그래서 한국의 기독교인이 이러한 기도에 큰 관심을 보이는 것은 이제 한국교회의 상황이 경청의 기도의 경시가 더 이상 용납될 수 없는 상황이 되었음을 의미한다. 관상이란?
먼저 관상에 대한 논의를 해보자. 관상(觀想)이란 한자말은 ‘마음의 상을 바라본다’는 뜻이다. 곧 조용히 눈을 감고 호흡을 가라앉히며 있노라면 마음속에 여러 가지 생각·영상·정서들이 흘러들어오는 것들을 글자 그대로 바라보는 것을 의미한다. 관상은 영어로 ‘contemplation’이다. 영어 앞 단어인 ‘con’은 ‘함께’, ‘강하게’라는 뜻이고, 뒤의 ‘temple’은 ‘관찰하기로 표시된 특별한 장소’, ‘성전’ 등의 뜻이다. 이 단어의 뜻은 ‘주의를 기울여 집중적으로 바라보고 관조하기 위한 구별된 지역이나 장소’를 의미한다. 그리하여 관상을 통해 그 대상과 일치가 이루어진 상태를 의미한다.
그래서 이러한 관상의 상태는 교회 역사상 여러 영성 전통을 통해 이루어지고 있다. 크게는 긍정(kataphatic) 전통과 부정(apopathic) 전통을 통해서 관상 상태에 도달할 수 있다고 본다. 긍정 전통에서는 언어와 이미지와 논리를 통해서 주님과의 일치된 상태를 지향한다. 이 전통은 기독교 역사에서 주류를 이룬다. 이에 비해 부정 전통은 인간이 사용하는 언어나 이미지들을 하나님과 일치를 지향하기보다는, 이런 것 없이 가슴으로 수동적인 상태에서 직관적으로 주님과의 일치를 지향한다. 이 전통은 역사적으로 제도권 교회에서 그리 유력한 자리를 차지하지 못했다. 그러나 깊은 신앙심을 갖고 주님과의 일치와 헌신을 지향하는 신자, 수도자들에게는 매우 중요한 영성 생활의 방편이 되었다. 여기에는 헤지키즘, 관상기도 등이 있다.
관상과 관상기도 서로 구별해야
▲ 관상(觀想)이란 한자말은 ‘마음의 상을 바라본다’는 뜻이다. ⓒ뉴스앤조이 자료사진관상과 관상기도를 구별해서 이해해야 한다. 관상 기도를 통해 관상상태를 지향하는 것이다. 그러나 그리스도교 역사에서 모두 자신들의 영성훈련 방법들이 주님과의 일치를 지향하는 관상기도를 하고 있다고 말하고 있다. 곧, 그들의 영성수련을 통해 관상 상태를 지향한다는 것이다. 그러므로 관상기도를 이야기하며 영성수련의 방법을 소개하는 수련회나 책을 읽을 때, 그들의 뿌리와 지향점, 어느 방편을 통해 관상을 지향하는지를 분별하고 따라가야 함을 밝혀둔다. 어번 홈즈는 <그리스도교 영성 역사>란 책에서 기도의 현상을 크게 4가지로 나누어 기술하고 있다. 사색적(spepculative) 기도, 감정적(affective) 기도, 상상적(imaginative, kataphatic) 기도, 비우는(emptying, apophatic) 기도다. 사색적 기도는 성경을 묵상·공부·독서를 통해 주님의 뜻을 알아가는 것이다. 감정적 기도는 주님을 사랑하는 마음으로 기도하는 것을 의미한다. 상상적 기도는 예수회의 영성 수련방법이나, 동방 교회의 성화를 보며 기도하는 방법 등이 이에 속한다. 곧, 십자가 위의 달려서 피를 흘리시는 주님을 상상하면서 우리의 신앙심을 키우고 기도하는 방식이다. 마지막으로 비우는 기도는 주님의 현존에 머무르며 가슴으로 기도하며 직관으로 주님의 뜻을 찾고 기도하는 방식이다.
독자들이 예상했다시피, 필자가 말하는 관상기도는 비우는 기도인 부정 전통의 기도를 말하고 있다. 외관상으로는 동양의 명상 전통과 별로 구별이 되지 않아서 오해를 많이 받고 있다. 그래서 그리스도교 전통에 익숙한 상상적, 사색적 전통의 기도를 해온 신자들이 비우는 스타일의 기도에 대해 여러 가지 부정적 태도와 비판을 하고 있는 것이 사실이다. 그렇다고 해도 이 기도 전통은 1세기부터 내려오고 있는 것이다. 
이상과 같은 관상에 대한 이해를 가지고 관상기도란 용어에 대해 다뤄보기로 한다. 한국영성치유연구소 이만홍 소장은 관상기도를 묵상(黙想)기도라고 부른다. 관상이란 용어가 ‘동양 종교적’ 어감이 있기에 이를 배제하기 위해서다. 또한 관상기도를 침묵기도라고 말하기도 한다. 그 이유는 관상기도는 입으로 소리 내어 간구하거나 마음속으로도 주님께 간구하는 등의 행위를 하지 않고, 침묵 가운데 머무르며 주님께 가슴의 마음 문을 여는 행위를 지칭하기 때문이다. 또한 관상기도를 ‘명상기도’라고 번역하기도 한다. 이는 뭔가에 대해 골똘히 생각하는 것에서부터 눈을 감고하는 것까지를 포함한다.
관상기도와 일반 기도와의 차이점
필자는 위에서 다룬 내용을 아빌라의 데레사가 경험적으로 고백한 기도의 7궁방을 다음과 같이 3가지로 분류한다.
1) 구송(口誦)기도(vocal prayer). 간청하는 기도, 우리들이 소리를 내거나 마음속으로 소망을 주님께 아뢰든지 간에 말로 주님께 간청하는 기도를 말한다.
2) 명상기도(meditation). 기독교 신자들이 말씀을 읽고 묵상하는 큐티가 여기에 해당한다고 본다. 경건생활로 행하는 큐티는 매우 중요하다. 그러나 만약 큐티가 끝나고 나서 침묵 가운데 하나님 속에 편히 쉬는 시간을 보내는 관상기도를 한다면 큐티의 효과는 배가 될 것이다.
3) 관상 기도(contemplative prayer). 이 말은 ‘하나님 안에서 쉼’이란 뜻을 지니고 있다. 그래서 이러한 과정을 거쳐 주님과의 일치(communion, 친교, 합일)를 지향한다. 관상 기도를 크게 둘로 구분해볼 수 있다. 첫째는 능동적(active) 관상기도는 신자인 우리가 시간을 들여서 의지력으로 주님께 나아와 기도를 하는 것을 말한다. 관상기도를 한다고 할 때 이 단계의 관상기도를 수련하고 있는 것이다. 인간이 의지적으로 주님께 지향하며 침묵 가운데 있는 것이기 때문이다. 이와 같은 기도의 단계와 종류를 구분해 다루는 것은 개념적으로 구분해서 이해를 쉽게 하기 위함이다. 그러나 실제의 기도생활에는 위 세 기도가 뒤섞이며 일어날 수 있다. 예를 들면, 자신은 관상기도를 한다고 침묵 가운데 있으면서도, 외부적으로는 소리 내어 말을 하지 않지만 마음속으로는 간구기도를 하고 있을 때가 있다. 또는 특정 대상에 대해 사고하며 성찰하는 명상기도를 할 수 있다.
관상기도는 내면에서 일어나는 일이기에 경험 있는 적절한 지도자에게 안내와 훈련을 받아야 좋은 결과를 기대할 수 있다. 관상기도와 관련된 몇 권의 서적을 읽고 기도를 실천할 때에 어려움이 있다. 어려움에 부딪히게 되면 초기에는 열심히 얼마간은 기도할 수 있겠지만, 비슷한 현상이 반복되게 되며 시간이 지날수록 오래 기도하기가 쉽지 않을 것이다.
관상기도의 성경적 근거
관상기도를 해야 한다는 성경적 근거는 무수히 많다. 지면 관계상 구약과 신약의 대표적 본문을 몇 개 언급하도록 한다.
영성의 분야에서 미국과 한국에서 많은 독자를 지니고 있는 유진 피터슨이 <관상적 목회자>란 책에서 목회자는 밖으로 분주하기보다는 주님 안에서 잠잠하여야 한다고 이사야서 30장 15절 “주 여호와 이스라엘의 거룩하신 이가 이같이 말씀하시되 너희가 돌이켜 조용히 있어야 구언을 얻을 것이요, 잠잠하고 신뢰하여야 힘을 얻을 것이거늘 너희가 원하지 아니하고”란 말씀의 예를 들어 책망했다.
시편은 관상기도의 성경적 근거 구절들이 많이 있다. “너희는 가만히 있어 내가 하나님 됨을 알지어다.”(시 46:10) 여기서 ‘가만히 있어’의 영어 표현은 ‘be silent’로서, 침묵 가운데 있어서 내가 하나님 됨을 알라는 중요한 말씀이다. 또한 엘리아 선지가가 하나님의 호렙산의 동굴에서 ‘세미한’ 하나님의 음성을 들었다(열 19:1~18)고 성경은 기록했다.
신약에서는 예수님께서는 “심령이 가난한 자는 복이 있나니 천국이 저희 것임이요”(마 5:3)라고 산상수훈의 첫 구절을 말씀하셨다. 심령이 가난하다는 것은 마음을 비운 자가 가난한 자이고, 빈 마음에 성령께서 임하신다는 것이다. 요한복음에는 관상사상을 의미하는 구절이 많다. 요한복음 14장 10절, 14장 20절, 17장 21절 등에 반복적으로 나오는 “아버지가 내 안에 내가 아버지 안에”라는 말씀은 관상기도를 통해 기도자가 마음을 비워 그곳에 주님을 모시고 그분이 내주하여 나의 주인이 되는 상태를 지칭하는 것이다.
로마서 8장 26~28절은 관상기도하는 신자의 내면에 무슨 일이 일어나고 있는지를 명확하게 보여준다. “우리는 어떻게 기도해야 할지도 알지 못하지만, 성령께서는 친히 이루 다 말할 수 없는 탄식으로, 우리를 대신하여 간구하여 주십니다”(롬 8:26)는 성령께서 우리 안에서 우리가 의식하지 못하는데도 우리를 위하여 간구해주신다는 구절로서, 우리가 해야 할 일은 이런 성령의 활동을 도와주는 일로서 조용히 침묵 가운데 마음을 비워드리는 일인 것이다. 이것이 곧 관상기도다.  
마지막으로 관상기도수련회 때마다 인용하는 구절인 요한계시록 3장 20절. “내가 문을 두드리노니 누구든지 내 말을 듣고 문을 열면 나는 그로 먹고, 그는 나로 더불어 먹으리라.”(개역) 여기서 주님께서 문을 두드리실 때 ‘문을 연다’는 것은 우리가 침묵 가운데 머무르며 다른 생각을 멀리하고 주님께로 우리의 마음의 문을 열어놓고 주님을 초대하면 내 영혼 안에 들어오시겠다는 말씀으로 해석한다.
렉시오 디비나와 관상기도
1세기 초부터 기독교신자들은 렉시오 디비나(거룩한 독서, 성독)를 하며 신앙생활을 해왔다. 당시에는 지금같이 성경이 인쇄되지 않아서 흔치 않았기에, 회당에 비치된 성경말씀을 듣기만 했다. 그래서 이들은 1) 말씀을 듣고(Lectio) 2) 이 말씀을 명상하고(meditatio) 3) 이 말씀에서 우러나오는 기도를 하고(oratio) 4) 말씀과 주님의 현존 안에서 쉼(contemplatio)의 4단계를 거치는 영성생활을 거쳤다고 관상기도를 대중화시킨 토마스 키딩은 강조하고 있다. 이처럼 현재 신자들이 많이 하는 큐티를 하고, 나중에 침묵 가운데 머물러 말씀의 능력과 주님의 현존 속에 머물러 말씀의 능력이 머리에서 가슴 판에 새겨지는 시간을 보낸다면 참으로 생명력 있고 생수가 풍부한 삶을 살 수 있을 것이다. 마지막의 관상의 단계를 실천하기 위해 관상기도 훈련을 하고, 이를 위해 관상기도를 이야기하는 것이다.
관상기도는 매우 강력한 기도다. 이 기도를 어느 정도 해본 신자들은 한결같이 말하고 있다. 침묵 기도의 힘은 크다. 그렇다고 해서, 기존의 기도 방법들을 경시하거나 비판하는 것이 아니다. 중보기도, 통성기도를 폐지할 수도 없고, 폐지해서도 안 된다. 인간은 언어를 매개로 활동을 하기 때문이다. 그러나 그 언어적 기도의 힘을 밑에서부터 받쳐줄 침묵 속에서 우러나오는, 존재의 근원에 접촉으로 나오는 에너지가 받쳐주는 기도는 매우 힘이 있다. 필자가 바라기는 간구하는 기도를 20분 하고서, 주님의 응답을 기다리는 경청의 기도로서 관상기도를 20분 정도 하여 균형을 이루는 기도가 되길 바란다. 이제 많은 분들이 이 기도에 관심이 있는 것을 보면서 한국에서도 신자들의 기도와 영적 성숙이 트기 시작했음을 보는 것 같아 기쁘다.
권명수/ 한신대학교 교수===관상기도란 무엇인가?답변
먼저 "관상 기도"를 정의하는 것이 중요합니다. 관상 기도는 단지 "기도하는 동안 묵상을 하는 것”이 아닙니다. 성경은 우리에게 마음으로 기도하도록 지시합니다 (고린도전서 14:15). 따라서 분명히 기도는 묵상을 포함합니다. 그러나 마음으로 기도하는 것이 "관상 기도"를 의미하는 것은 아닙니다. 관상 기도는 많은 비성경적인 사상과 관행을 받아들인 이머징 교회 운동의 부상과 함께 점진적으로 많은 사람들이 실행하게 되었고, 인기를 얻게 되었습니다. 관상 기도는 그렇게 퍼져 나간 실행방법입니다.
관상 기도는 실행자가 어떤 단어에 집중한 후 기도를 하는 동안 계속 반복하여 그 단어를 명상하는 "구심 기도"로 시작됩니다. 그 기도의 목적은 하나님의 음성을 더 쉽게 들을 수 있도록 외부의 관심에 대해 마음을 비우기 위한 것입니다. 구심 기도 후에, 실행자는 조용히 앉아서 하나님의 직접적인 음성을 들으며 그분의 임재를 느껴야 합니다.
이것은 해롭지 않은 방법으로 들릴지 모르지만, 이러한 기도 유형은 성경적인 지지를 전혀 받지 못합니다. 사실, 그것은 성경에서 정의된 기도 방법과 정반대입니다. “아무 것도 염려하지 말고 다만 모든 일에 기도와 간구로, 너희 구할 것을 감사함으로 하나님께 아뢰라” (빌립보서 4:6). “그 날에는 너희가 아무 것도 내게 묻지 아니하리라 내가 진실로 진실로 너희에게 이르노니 너희가 무엇이든지 아버지께 구하는 것을 내 이름으로 주시리라. 지금까지는 너희가 내 이름으로 아무 것도 구하지 아니하였으나 구하라 그리하면 받으리니 너희 기쁨이 충만하리라”(요한복음 16:23-24). 이 구절들과 여러 다른 구절들은 기도가 비밀스럽고 신비한 명상이 아니라, 이해할 수 있는 의사소통임을 명확하게 묘사하고 있습니다.
관상기도는 그 의도에 있어서 하나님과의 신비 체험에 초점을 둡니다. 그러나 신비주의는 순전히 주관적이며 진리나 사실에 의존하지 않습니다. 하지만 하나님의 말씀은 우리의 신앙과 삶을 진리의 기초에 두도록 하기 위해 주어졌습니다 (디모데후서 3:16-17). 우리가 하나님에 대해 아는 것은 사실에 근거합니다. 신자가 성경의 기록을 넘어서는 체험적인 지식을 신뢰하는 것은 신앙의 표준인 성경에서 벗어나는 길입니다.
관상기도는 동양 종교와 뉴에이지 사교에서 사용되는 명상 훈련과 다르지 않습니다. 그리스도께서 친히 구원은 오직 자신을 통해서만 온다고 말씀하셨음에도 불구하고 (요한복음 14:6) 관상 기도를 적극적으로 지지하는 자들은 여러 길을 통하여 구원을 얻을 수 있다는 생각을 주창하며서, 모든 종교의 헌신자들 가운데 열린 영성을 받아들입니다. 현대 기도 운동 가운데 실행되고 있는 관상 기도는 성경적인 기독교에 반대하는 입장이기에 우리는 그 기도를 반드시 피해야 합니다.
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What is contemplative prayer?

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It is important to first define “contemplative prayer.” Contemplative prayer is not just “contemplating while you pray.” The Bible instructs us to pray with our minds (1 Corinthians 14:15), so, clearly, prayer does involve contemplation. However, praying with your mind is not what “contemplative prayer” has come to mean. Contemplative prayer has slowly increased in practice and popularity along with the rise of the emerging church movement—a movement which embraces many unscriptural ideas and practices. Contemplative prayer is one such practice.

Contemplative prayer begins with “centering prayer,” a meditative practice where the practitioner focuses on a word and repeats that word over and over for the duration of the exercise. The purpose is to clear one’s mind of outside concerns so that God’s voice may be more easily heard. After the centering prayer, the practitioner is to sit still, listen for direct guidance from God, and feel His presence.

Although this might sound like an innocent exercise, this type of prayer has no scriptural support whatsoever. In fact, it is just the opposite of how prayer is defined in the Bible. “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.” (Philippians 4:6). “In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete” (John 16:23-24). These verses and others clearly portray prayer as being comprehendible communication with God, not an esoteric, mystical meditation.

Contemplative prayer, by design, focuses on having a mystical experience with God. Mysticism, however, is purely subjective, and does not rely upon truth or fact. Yet the Word of God has been given to us for the very purpose of basing our faith, and our lives, on Truth (2 Timothy 3:16-17). What we know about God is based on fact; trusting in experiential knowledge over the biblical record takes a person outside of the standard that is the Bible.

Contemplative prayer is no different than the meditative exercises used in Eastern religions and New Age cults. Its most vocal supporters embrace an open spirituality among adherents from all religions, promoting the idea that salvation is gained by many paths, even though Christ Himself stated that salvation comes only through Him (John 14:6). Contemplative prayer, as practiced in the modern prayer movement, is in opposition to biblical Christianity and should definitely be avoided.



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  24. Why a 14th-century mystic appeals to today's 'spiritual but not religious' Americans

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Father Brian Pierce: Follow Christ by Engaging in Dialogue
Posted on December 12, 2011 by Sheila Read
Father Brian Pierce with Karen Jessee, a lay Dominican

Father Brian Pierce, OP, is a member of the Dominican order, which specializes in preaching the word of God. Father Brian spent 15 years doing ministry in Latin America, working with the poor in Peru and the Lenca Indians in western Honduras. He now travels the world leading retreats on contemplation, mysticism and spirituality, mainly for cloistered Dominican nuns. Father Brian led an Advent retreat last week at the Newman Catholic Student Center in Chapel Hill, N.C., where I spoke with him. Following are excerpts from the interview.

What do you see as signs of the times? What message are people hungry for in these times?

I think we’re living in times where there’s a kind of entrenchment going on. And I think the Gospel is about dialogue. Jesus walks through those three years of his public life and he just interacts with everyone along the way, whether it’s a Roman centurion, whether it’s a Jewish teacher, a master of the law or a Pharisee, a sinful woman, a man possessed by demons, a blind person, a Samaritan. I think one of the greatest gifts that Jesus teaches us is that dialogue with people along the path of life on the journey is the place where we share the good news.

Terrorism isn’t bombs in mosques and churches. Terrorism is when a group goes through a village and tells all the Muslims if you’re talking to Christians you better be careful … Terrorism is the opposite of dialogue.

You often talk about discipleship. What does it mean to be a disciple of Christ today?Father Brian Pierce, left, and Monsignor John Wall, right, talk with Kevin and Flor Wilkinson.

Discipleship is following the same path that Jesus walks. I don’t see discipleship as we’re given this Christian blueprint to live. I think it just means that whatever Jesus did, we’re supposed to do. So where he walks, we walk.

So if he talked to everybody along the way and loved those who weren’t believers and listened to them and heard their story, that’s what we’re supposed to do. When he saw someone about to be stoned because they were a sinner and he took the side of that person, tried to love that woman back into wholeness and face the religious zealots who thought that the law was more important than loving the sinner, well, then that’s what I have to do.



I think we’ve complicated discipleship by making it sort of like a secret list of rules. I think discipleship is a journey of faith and somewhere along the way faith got turned into beliefs and it became a checklist. If you can say you believe in these 10 things or these 15 things or these 200 things, or whatever, you’re a Christian.

I think we have a whole group of Christians, they just check off their list. I did this, I did this, I did this. I believe in this, this and this. I’m a good Christian. They haven’t taken one single step. They haven’t forgiven anybody. They haven’t embraced any lepers, or whoever that might be in our day. It might be a person with AIDS, it might be a Muslim, it might be a divorced person who feels ostracized from the community, it might be a gay person, it might be someone from a different religion.

We’re not going to be saved by saying I believe in Jesus. Salvation is a journey that unfolds when we follow Jesus.

Is it even possible to follow Jesus when we’re living a modern suburban life, with our time occupied by our jobs, our families, our nice homes?

I don’t think it’s possible today to say we live in a world where we don’t encounter other people … I think we miss a lot of wonderful opportunities to cross the boundaries and we just choose not to. There are people that have maids. How do they treat a maid? Do we smile at the young Mexican man who comes to pick up the dishes off a restaurant table we’ve just eaten at? Do we say hello to that person?Paolo. Photo credit: Celso Deretti

We don’t see these people. I think we don’t do very well at looking into their faces … There’s that story I told about the little Peruvian boy, that picture of the Peruvian boy I saw in that photo exhibit. I think those are some of the most piercing words I’ve ever read in my life. That quote of him underneath that picture: “They know I exist but no one sees me.”

That’s the great tragedy. We actually do know that these people exist, but we don’t see them. Nobody can claim ignorance in the age of Internet. So I think we just choose to close our eyes and not look and close our ears and not hear.

And I love that text from the first letter of John. “What we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we looked upon and touched with our hands concerns the Word of life.” This is what we proclaim. The word of life is the word that lives in all things and all people. It’s the word that spoke that created everything. And if we want to be faithful to the word of God, who is Jesus the word, then we have to touch and see and hear that word in all people and in all things. We cannot render three quarters of the world invisible.

You mentioned the word of God being in all of creation. What is so important about celebrating the goodness of creation to the faith of a Christian?Photo credit: Rennett Stowe

Two things. The first is it’s a wonderful connection or a wonderful avenue for nurturing our contemplative life. The contemplative life is just to live aware of God’s presence. And if everything that is created, all of creation, all of the world of matter that surrounds us, every tree and water and rock and star, if all of that comes from God’s creative hands and, as Genesis speaks, really comes out of the mouth of God, to marvel at it and touch it and celebrate it and care for it is touching God… It’s just so important for our own spiritual life to not take for granted this gift of creation that vibrates with God’s word. It’s everywhere. Every leaf that falls from a tree is an expression of God’s beauty and freedom.



And then the second part of it is, there is this whole environmental movement that’s growing, thanks be to God, in our world today. In our language it’s caring for God’s beautiful work. If our Judeo-Christian tradition believes that creation comes from God, flows out of the very being of God, God breathes it forth and speaks it forth, why wouldn’t we want to just care for it with all of our being? … Why wouldn’t we do everything to care for this earth if we really believe that it all flowed out of God?

I’m not the – I mean I waste water and leave lights turned on and don’t always make the best decisions, but I’m trying to live a more conscientious life to protect our environment. I’m just amazed that there could still be Christians that think all of this stuff is worthless …

Why would God give us something so beautiful if God didn’t want us to care for it? It’s pretty much a no-brainer. If somebody gives you a beautiful gift you don’t just throw it on the floor. You care for it. It just amazes me sometimes how there are Christians who badmouth environmentalists. I don’t get it. We believe that the environment was made by God.

It’s like badmouthing poor people.Father Brian Pierce greets a member of the choir at the Newman Catholic Student Center Parish.

Just to pick up on that—we talk about immigrants as if they were evil. Jesus spent his whole life embracing the other, the one that was different.

[Like] the time he went to Tyre and Sidon and had the conversation with the Syro-Phoenician woman and he said, Oh, I can’t heal your daughter because I’ve been sent to the Jews. And he just has this moment of truth. She’s persistent, thanks be to God, and he finally says, “Woman, I’ve never seen faith like yours before.”

That’s a wonderful story because it shows us that Jesus also had to do some rethinking on this journey. He thinks he’s not supposed to help this woman because she’s a pagan, and yet he stays with the dialogue.

That’s why I think dialogue is so beautiful. Jesus just never runs away from dialogue. Never. And he stayed and she kept getting closer and closer and she finally throws herself down on her knees in front of him and she says, “Lord, I need your help. Give me a piece of this bread that you share with your people.” And he responds, “Woman, how great is your faith.”

So in that one story, Jesus crosses the boundary of religion and Jesus crosses the boundary of culture. He embraces an immigrant and he embraces a person of another faith tradition. It’s scandalous what he says. Matthew is the most Jewish of the Gospels. And for Jesus to say in a Jewish gospel, “Woman, how great is your faith,” to say to a pagan woman, “Woman how great is your faith,” is just earth shattering. I’m surprised they didn’t just string him up right there and kill him. You can’t say that a pagan woman has faith.

It’s a wonderful place to ask the question, what is faith, then? It’s not about beliefs. She followed Jesus. She went with Jesus into his heart. She didn’t know the answers. She didn’t know anything about Judaism, but she walked with Jesus into his heart and that’s why Jesus says, “Woman, how great is your faith.” You came into my heart even when I didn’t think you were supposed to be there. That’s a marvelous story.



It’s also, like you said earlier, a model for our discipleship. It’s not an impossible model to follow.

Exactly. We’re supposed to read these stories and say, how do I do that? How do I let the person who’s different, from another faith, come into my heart, then? Just like Jesus let her come into his heart, even though we might not understand how that could work.

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"[Thich Nhat Hanh] shows us the connection between personal, inner peace and peace on earth." --His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Nominated by Martin Luther King, Jr. for a Nobel Peace Prize, Thich Nhat Hanh is one of today’s leading sources of wisdom, peace, compassion and comfort.

Exiled from Vietnam over thirty years ago, Thich Nhat Hanh has become known as a healer of the heart, a monk who shows us how the everyday world can both enrich and endanger our spiritual lives.

In this book, Jesus and Buddha share a conversation about prayer and ritual and renewal, and about where such concepts as resurrection and the practice of mindfulness converge. In this unique way, Thich Nhat Hanh shows the brotherhood between Jesus and Buddha-- and in the process shows how we can take their wisdom into the world with us, to "practice in such a way that Buddha is born every moment of our daily life, that Jesus Christ is born every moment of our daily life."

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"Thich Nhat Hanh is a holy man, for he is humble and devout. He is a scholar of immense intellectual capacity. His ideas for peace if applied, would build a monument of ecumenism, to world brotherhood, to humanity." —Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He shows us the connection between personal, inner peace, and peace on earth."—His Holiness The Dalai Lama

"Nhat Hanh tells people not to abandon their own religious traditions, but to use Buddhist meditation to rediscover the values in those traditions." —The Seattle Times
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Exiled from Vietnam over thirty years ago, Thich Nhat Hanh has become known as a healer of the heart, a monk who knows how the everyday world can, paradoxically, both enrich and endanger our spiritual lives. In this book, Jesus and Buddha share a conversation about prayer and ritual and renewal, and about where such concepts as resurrection and the practice of mindfulness converge. In this unique way, Thich Nhat Hanh shows the brotherhood between Jesus and Buddha -- and in the process shows how we can take their wisdom into the world with us, to "practice in such a way that Buddha is born every moment of our daily life, that Jesus Christ is born every moment of our daily life".


About the Author
Thich Nhat Hanh is a Vietnamese monk, a rare combination of mystic, scholar, and activist and one of the most beloved Buddhist teachers in the West. Poet, Zen master, and chairman of the Vietnamese Buddhist Peace Delegation during the Vietnam War, he was nominated by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., for the Nobel Peace Prize.


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Thich Nhat Hanh is a Vietnamese Buddhist Zen Master, poet, scholar, and peace activist, one of the most revered and influential spiritual teachers in the world today. Born in 1926, he became a Zen Buddhist monk at the age of sixteen. During the Vietnam War, his work for peace and reconciliation moved Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1967. He founded the Van Hanh Buddhist University in Saigon and the School of Youth for Social Service. He was exiled as a result of his work for peace but continued his activism, rescuing boat people and helping to resettle Vietnamese refugees. He has written more than 100 books, which have sold millions of copies around the world. HIs teachings on Buddhism as a path to social and political transformation are responsible for bringing mindfulness to the West. In 1982 he established the international Plum Village Community of Engaged Buddhism in France, now the largest Buddhist monastery in Europe. He lives in Hue in Central Vietnam.


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5.0 out of 5 stars For a religious runaway always looking to "go home"...
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Loved this. I read a ton of Richard Rohr and other Christian mystics in his circle - this books lines up beautifully with JUST THIS. The gentleness in the writing. The depth of every small section in each chapter - there is SO much to unpack. So much to read and re-read. The words of my heart are finally being spoken out in this book. AWESOME read and one to come back to again and again. Just as we go home, again and again.
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5.0 out of 5 stars beautiful thoughts from the Zen master
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reading Thick Nhat Hanh has added to my spiritual journey. Thick Nhat Hanh explains Buddhist ideas along with Christian thought while being respectful to both. encouraging people of all faiths to practice and be at peace with themselves and each other and the world around us. give it a try! :)
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Mark
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This message is as relevant as the day it was written. As a very frustrated former (it doesn’t matter which faith) this reading gave me much peace and comfort that Christian and Buddhist traditions are very compatible.
Worth your time if you are a seeker.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Going Home - Excellent Book Regarding Buddhism and Christianity
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This is an exceptionally well written text regarding the relationship between Buddhism and Christianity by Thich Nhat Hahn. This book is truly stimulating to the mind. It relaxes the soul and sends a feeling of tranquility and mindfulness. Reading this book, will give a person an understanding of the practices and principles of the relationship regarding Buddhism and Christianity.

Reading and understanding this book should bring a smile to the face of the reader. It is comprehensive, educational, and the words flow quite well. This is not a difficult book to read and understand. The text is easy to follow. It was not written as rocket science. The theme throughout the book is clear, and the teachings of Buddhism easily understood.

The book touches on understanding, mindfulness in meditation and all things, the birth of love, cultivating our home, finding refuge, seeking the body of truth, Jesus and Buddha as brothers, and many other informative and enlightening subjects.

Anyone seeking an understanding of Buddhism should read this enlightening book. The book is practical, straightforward and does not hide the truth. It gives an excellent understanding of "The Four Noble Truths," and the teaching relates to one's life on the path to enlightenment.

The Venerable Thich Nhat Hahn, who is the founder of Plum Village in France, has dedicated his life to Buddhism. He has written over one hundred books on a variety of subjects, and has founded many instructions of higher learning.

One must read this book with an open mind of learning and must be ready to acquire the knowledge being presented or sought. Hahn touches on a variety of positive thoughts and principles one should find wholesome and progressive for enlightenment. This is truly an interesting book to read and to learn from. It is truly a beacon on the path to enlightenment.

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Considering a Zen Monk wrote this it is mostly about Buddhism, but the author makes readers aware to believe in the stories of Jesus. Like when he meditated for 40 days and acquired special healing powers. I didn't really believe that before about Jesus. Now....who knows. Basically achieving Nirvana is the equivalent of becoming a God. I never really thought about it like that before. It was a really interesting read.
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This is the second book Thich Nhat Hanh has written comparing Christianity with Buddhism. Each of them is especially well-written, representing Thich Nhat Hanh at his best. But I found this second volume even more insightful than his first. It addresses the experience of being devoutly Buddhist or devoutly Christian. In doing so, Hanh points out how faith is better understood as a practice, the ways we practice our devout ways of life on a daily basis, rather than as a creed of doctrines, beliefs, concepts and ideas.
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What a great read. Sweet nectar for the western "soul". I say this because so many of us in the west have been so influenced by a Christian or even post-Christian mindset. The author builds bridges to make it all count; to help us see the similaities; to bring wisdom from the two traditions together in an awesomely synergistic way. I'm a theologian, by training, but I've gained some sharp insights into God by this book.
His idea of God runs closely to that of Tillich: the ground of being; the water beyond and in the wave, the river and the rain drop. The unitive reality beyond the changing phenomena.
Deceptively profound for such a waist coat pocket edition, he also looks at the personhood of God and humans, duality; worship and devotion in both traditions.
A sweet book that makes my soul sing and like all this chap's stuff, leads me to meditate and pray within my heart and mind. That's a 5 stars for me therefore.
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Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers

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Exiled from Vietnam over thirty years ago, Thich Nhat Hanh has become known as a healer of the heart, a monk who shows us how the everyday world can both enrich and endanger our spiritual lives. In Going Home he shows us the relationship between Buddha and Jesus by presenting a conversation between the two. In this unique way we learn how such concepts as resurrection and mindfulness converge. The brotherhood between Jesus and Buddha can teach us to "practice in such a way that Buddha is born every moment of our daily life, that Jesus Christ is born every moment of our daily life." (less)

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Jonathan Noe
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"You love the apple; yes, you are authorized to love the apple, but no one prevents you from also loving the mango."

This is a metaphor. The 'apple' represents your religion or the religion you were born into. For me the apple is Christianity. This shouldn't prevent me from trying new fruits like 'mango' or Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, or Taoism. We should only eat fruit that is healthy for us, and that will increase our compassion, meaning, and joy in this life. It will be different for everybody but 'different' does not mean wrong or inferior.
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Mar 22, 2008rated it really liked it
Normally I hate people who scribble in books, but while I was reading this I found myself picking up a pen and underlining parts of the text, because they struck me so deeply.
Here's some of what I underlined:
"If you cannot love man, animals, and plants, I doubt that you can love God. The capacity for loving God depends on your capacity for loving humankind and other species."
"All the adjectives and nouns that we use to describe waves cannot be used to describe God. We can say that this wave is high or low, big or small, beautiful or ugly, has a beginning and an end. But all these notions cannot be applied to water. God is neither small nor big. God has no beginning or end. God is not more or less beautiful. All the ideas we use to describe the phenomenal world cannot be applied to God. So it's very wise not to say anything about God. To me the wisest theologian is the one who never speaks about God."
"You have never been born and you are not going to die, because to die means from someone you suddenly become no one."
"The moment you realize that your so-called enemy suffers and you want him to stop suffering, he ceases to be your enemy."
"...enlightenment and happiness and insight are only possible on the basis of suffering and confusion. The Buddha said it is because of the mud that the lotus can bloom."
"When you begin to understand, when you have been able to free yourself from a notion, that is enlightenment."

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Thich Nhat Hanh is a Vietnamese Buddhist monk. This book is culled from talks he gave at retreats. He asks the reader to consider a conversation between Jesus and Buddha, where they discuss aspects of each religion, and how they often converge.

3 Stars = I'm glad I read it.
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Jeff Herman
Nov 25, 2009rated it really liked it
I am not a very religous person but if I were to back one particular religion it would be Buddism. Thich Nhat Hanh looks at all religions and describes well how they all essential blend together. The bottom line is that religion comes down to faith and without faith one has little to guide and push them to do well for themselves and others.
Julie
Dec 12, 2010rated it really liked it
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Nov 01, 2007rated it it was amazing
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Most of the books I read more than 2-3 years ago I have only vague memories of. I feel like I just read this one yesterday. It was essentially the sole catalyst for reinvigorating my own faith practice. I cannot explain what a powerful message this is, and the skill with which the author presents it: return to what you know, but most importantly find some sort of practice. In this day and age, growth (spiritual, emotional, or otherwise) is almost impossible without practice. Everything from the tone (nonjudgemental, positive, inclusive) to the dogma teachings (mostly comparisons of Buddhism and Christianity) are excellent. I could go on and on, but you would be much better off spending your time reading this book. (less)
John
Jan 14, 2014rated it it was amazing
I was pleasantly surprised by this book. I read Thich Nhat Hanh's(TNH) other books on Christianity & Buddhism and had found them at first to be a bit simplistic. I now realize that it is a very specific audience that TNH is addressing. He is addressing Western Buddhists who grew up Christian or those who are trying to understand Christianity & Buddhism in terms of practice. He emphasizes that people who grew up Christian and became Buddhists, or attracted to Buddhism, should give Christianity a chance.

After meeting many Westerners who have given up their own culture, religion, and even family to become Buddhists, TNH knows that they have to not give up their roots, but go back and transform them.

When I have met people in this situation in person and online, I ask them to be very patient. My tendency is to encourage them that a person without roots cannot be a happy person. You need to go back to your roots. You need to go back to your family. You need to go back to your culture. You might even need to go back to your church or a church. However, that is exactly what many people don't want to do, and often become angry when we try to tell them so.

Of course he still gives them the chance to learn about Buddhism, but hopes that they will get in touch with their past. Such a wandering soul can easily hate the faith that he or she grew up in and will need to deal with those issues at some point.

TNH's book is great for people who want to understand how Christianity can come back into their spiritual practice. He helps them take features of both religions and compare them and see how they might speak to the same truth. He doesn't worry about somehow proving that Christianity & Buddhism are the same. He is not writing for scholars. He is writing for individuals with their individual judgement.

Throughout the book TNH uses the metaphor of waves and water. He shows how a wave thinks it is an individual that is separate from the water that is its source. The water becomes synonymous with the "ground of being" which William Johnston refers to, and nirvana( or emptiness), or God. TNH moves freely from using the term, God, Holy Spirit, and Jesus(and Christ). He uses each correctly, but also shows the way in which the trinity is really all one thing. At times he does differentiate from Jesus the teacher and Christ.

He first talks about God being somewhat synonymous with nirvana. He points out that thinking we need to love God is only useful if we understand that loving God is actually loving your neighbor. He says that to touch the true ground of our existence is to touch God or nirvana. He speaks of the Buddhist ideas of mindfulness, as "touching God." He also speaks of the ineffableness of God and nirvana. Later on in the first section he also compares God to Buddha. He doesn't see Buddha as a god but emphasizes that God and Buddha are both part of us. Here he proposes that God is like our buddha-nature. He also addresses the difficulty in speaking about Buddhism in general or Christianity in general. This point helps one understand that the way he or she is a Christian or a Buddhist is his or her own choice.

In section two, of "Going Home," TNH expresses how Christians find their home in Jesus, and Buddhists find their home in Buddha. These two figures are their teachers. Jesus or Buddha is a familiar figure for a person that he or she is comfortable with and reminds him or her to connect with the environment/the earth/nature. He emphasizes that we make our home by identifying with the teachings of our faith and seeing the presence of the sacred everywhere. He also compares God being in everything to the "Dharma-body" of the teachings of the Buddha which show how everything in the world is your teacher. He also points out that our understanding of God or Buddhism changes over time. Our understanding and faith is constantly developing which shows that you cannot hold onto your current view as the best one. This goes for your understanding of Christianity & Buddhism.

In the third section TNH he talks about love as he does throughout the book. He also goes into faith and how true faith rises out of experience. He points out how our practices give us a kind of security in life. They give us a place of peace to come back to. He also shows how necessary suffering is in order to have happiness. The "child to be born" in us is our true nature. It is the buddha-nature or the Christ within us.

In the fourth section he talks about "taking refuge" in your religion. He compares it to baptism and that it is not only committing yourself to a religion, but also committing your life to helping others. He shows how the refuge vows at Plum Village have been changed to emphasize the service aspect of being a Buddhist. This fits in well with his support of social action and is comparable to the Bodhisattva Vow. He shows how the vows for refuge are useful even for non-Buddhists. You can take refuge in the best potential within yourself or in the God within. You take refuge in the teachings you follow(as in the teachings of Jesus, or the "Dharma-body" of Christ). You take refuge in the community you join or create around you. He also examines the Apostle's Creed and he Nicene Creed. Then he goes into the Five Mindfulness Trainings, which are his version of the Five Lay Precepts which consist of No killing, No stealing, No sexual misconduct, No Lying, and No intoxicants. He makes these much more broad and increases the necessity of being conscious of our actions and their consequences. He expounds a very inconvenient way to be that eventually makes your life freer, by removing some of the difficulties in your life. He advocates a great deal of responsibility for an individual in order to help society as well as him or herself.

In the fifth section on love, he expresses the two truths of absolute and relative as the ultimate dimension and the historical dimension. Here he uses the wave metaphor to show that waves are the sons and daughters of water, just as we are the sons and daughters of God. But God as the Father is not the same as our own fathers. He equates God the Father to nirvana here in that this kind of father is ineffable. He says you can touch this ineffableness, this noumenal dimension, but that touching is difficult and unexplainable.� That is we usually can�t truly touch it even though we touch it every day.� He notes that paradise comes about when we love all beings and creation.� When we appreciate the beauty of life, paradise happens.� Living completely present is heaven.
� In the last section he starts out by discussing how we can mindfully listen to church or temple bells and see how they express the teachings.� These bells bring us back to our roots.� Certain aspects of church like the building, parts of the service, or the songs still have meaning for us even if we no longer think of ourselves as a Christian.� Much of what I mention in the first part of this report is from the last section.� TNH sees that we all have spiritual ancestors that we must honor even if we no longer enjoy that religion.� We have to come to terms with our ancestral religion.� He imagines that if Jesus and Buddha met today they would ask each other how to best renew their religions in the hearts of people today.� He says that both Jesus and Buddha should be helped.� Each of the religions has its own validity that stands on its own.� If they are not revived mankind will suffer.� He propounds that the meeting of Jesus and Buddha in individuals will help both grow.� And will help understanding grow around the world, between peoples.� In the last two pages he states that the divisions and animosities between religions have a negative effect.� He thinks people of different religions should be free to intermarry and should honor both religions in their relationship and their children.� He believes this kind of attitude will promote understandings between religions.� He ends with the statement:

"You love the apple; yes, you are authorized to love the apple, but no one prevents you from also loving the mango."

I agreed with much of the content of this book.� It was interesting that he didn't mention the option of being a follower of both religions.� He clearly advocates adopting some of the practices of another faith into your own.� He comes back again and again to the idea that one has to put down clear roots into a faith in order to validly participate in it.� I believe I have put clear roots into Christianity in my life.� Those roots have in fact gotten deeper since my study of Christianity has been revived thanks to my interest in Buddhism.� I now feel that I am am putting down roots into both, which is really the same tree or could be said to be the one tree of my own faith.
�As with Living Buddha, Living Christ, I am further empowered by TNH to find my own path within these two faiths.� He emphasizes that it is what YOU think is right that is important.� If you have worked out a way to practice both for yourself, than that is valid for you and may or may not be valid for another person. 
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Angela Sanders
Here Be the Deep Waters

Synopsis: It’s Christmastime, and Thich Nhat Hanh is ruminating about the similarities between Buddhism and Christianity, what brings them together and what would strengthen them as faith systems.

Thich Nhat Hanh’s writings are always a little hard to follow. Sometimes they get too ethereal even for me. But the title was so intriguing, I had to give it a try. As with any of his books, the goal for me was to take away nuggets of truth. So, while it’s unlikely you could form a coherent outline of Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers, there was still so much I took away from it.

I love the peaceful presence of Thich Nhat Hanh for one thing. His commitment to bringing us to the highest ideals. His understanding of human limitations, but his overriding belief that we can be our best selves. I’ve found more wisdom in the writings of Thich Nhat Hanh than I have found at times in those of the authors of my own faith history, further confirming my belief that all religions have something to teach us.

This was a unique book though, and it’s probably best summed up in the last few pages. What would happen if Jesus and the Buddha could sit down and have a conversation? We’d all have different opinions on that, but I bet the world would be a better place for it. Much like the world would be a better place if we could all be more willing to sit down and converse, listen without needing to respond, respect without agreeing, dialogue without fighting.
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Christopher
May 19, 2020rated it really liked it
Shelves: buddhism
From the book "Buddha and Jesus are two brothers who have to help each other. Buddhism does need help. Christianity does need help, not for the sake of Buddhism, not for the sake of Christianity, but for the sake of humankind." (less)
Jinnie
Feb 07, 2009rated it it was amazing
I gave all my Thich Nhat Hanh books 5 star ratings, but this is my favorite of Nhat Hanh's books. Beautifully written in a way that glorifies both traditions and denigrates neither. (less)
S. Jay
Mar 20, 2021rated it liked it
Jesus is like Buddha but with sleeve tattoos and a pack of cigarettes – a more rebellious and potentially angry enlightened dude – yet focused on the same philosophical truths.
I love reading a Buddhist account of Christianity. Like my default interpretation of the world is through English, my default interpretation of religion is through the lens of my childhood religion (Catholic) and the country I grew up in (USA). I enjoy a cross cultural perspective because it resets my standard thinking patterns.
Given the book’s title, I expected more comparison between the two teachers. It was mainly Hanh’s regular meditation interspersed with Jesus/Buddha would approve kind of moments. The Our Father prayer is examined, but again, mostly this is a standard Buddhist meditation with sprinkles of comparison.
I did find several moving passages and good ideas in this book. The first is the idea of unknowing, the second is the idea of presence, the third is that of potential.
Unknowing
“Knowledge is an obstacle to understanding.”
To people who read in order to understand the world this sounds like an attack. What do you mean, I shouldn’t learn? The accumulation of knowledge is important, I find life fascinating and I want to learn about everything that I can. Let me read, my ego shouts in response.
And yet, that distractibility and default mode of seeking facts is a deterrent in the spiritual realm. If you have an idea of God, Jesus, Buddha in your head, it’s important to let it go.
“Let go of God for God” is how Meister Eckhart says this same truth. We have to let go of our default method of thinking (rationalism) and let go of any personal pictures of the divine we have formed in our minds in order to grow in faith.
A mystical vision, be it moving, powerful, and beautiful, is not a permanent truth. If I let my mind settle on a vision or even phrasing of God, that becomes stagnant. I do not grow in faith. This book is a good reminder to let go of images and sink into the present moment where the divine manifests constantly. Mystical visions, when the i dissolves into The Real, are to be treasured but not clung to. This leads to further and deeper contemplations into the nature of The Real.
Presence
Speaking of the moment, what a beautiful reminder to return to breath. Return to the smallest details of life and give them their proper respect.
At each moment, your life can begin anew. That is why each moment is a point of singularity. What I enjoy about this author is reminding you that importance of being mindful, being present. Presence and attention to the moment is the antidote to the blur of screens and the rush of modern life.
Potential
When you are fully present, you realize the full and sacred potential of each moment. There is an image of waves and water he returns to frequently. In essence, waves in the ocean can look one at the other and say, “you are a wave, I am a wave.” This is what people usually do to other people and other objects. It is the horizontal plane.
However, a wave is also water. And water is everything. That is the vertical plane. Basically, the dimension in which the sacred potential is in everything. Be present to see and recognize this plane. Be thankful that you can tap into Nirvana/the Kingdom of Heaven whenever you feel this place. At the core there is always love throbbing, if only we are still enough to feel it.
More than any other message, that’s the main point of his work. To feel peace and divinity and to not get stuck in any word combination that limits your experience. To feel the oneness and to love others is Jesus’ ultimate commandment, and in the end, all truths converge. Not to try to fully comprehend It but to be still and love. The question is can we feel that in the moment.
My question is, can I live the message and sit still to listen instead of just plowing through spiritual books? The path is that of acceptance, contemplation, and stillness, not the path of accumulating knowledge.

Quotes
Fresh air is available to us 24 hours a day. The question is whether we have the time and awareness to enjoy it. 1
If you do not succeed in getting in touch with the horizontal dimension, you will not be able to get in touch with the vertical dimension. 3
The practice of looking deeply reveals to us that one thing is made up of all other things. One thing contains the whole cosmos. 5
If the wave is capable of deeply touching the water, her ground of being, she will transcend her fear, jealousy, and all kinds of suffering. By touching this ultimate dimension, we get the greatest relief. We have to practice in our daily life so that we will be able to touch the ultimate. We can touch the noumenal world by touching the phenomenal world deeply. 9
To the Buddhist, “To be or not to be” is not the question. The question is whether or not you can transcend these notions. 27
Every time you feel despair, anger, or instability, you have to know how to practice going home. Mindful breathing is the vehicle that you use to go back to your true home where you meet the Buddha. 48
In Buddhism, knowledge can be seen as an obstacle. Many people try to accumulate knowledge, and one day they may realize that the knowledge they possess has become an obstacle to their understanding. The Sanskirt word for “knowledge as obstacle” is jneyavarana. To know and to understand are two different things. When you climb a ladder, unless you abandon the lower step, you will not be able to climb to a higher one. Knowledge is like that. If you are not ready to let go of your knowledge, you cannot get a deeper knowledge of the same thing. 58
Concentration is the food of understanding. 63
When you are motivated by the desire to transcend suffering, to get out of a difficult situation and to help others to do the same, you get a powerful source of energy that helps you to do what you want to do to transform yourself and to help other people. That is what we call bodhicitta, the mind of love. It comes from a strong feeling that you don’t want to suffer anymore. You want people not to be caught anymore in that kind of situation. This is a very important beginning. 68
If you are committed to one idea of happiness, then you are caught. You may not be happy all your life. You think that if your idea cannot be realized, then happiness will never be possible. That is why a notion is an obstacle. There are many ways to be happy, but you are committed in only one way. That is why a notion is an obstacle. 75
The Five Faculties [faith, diligence, mindfulness, concentration, insight] is sometimes described as the five powers. 84
The greatest relief is nonfear (abhaya) and that greatest relief can be obtained by touching nirvana, by touching the ultimate, by touching the Father. 159
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J W
Jan 28, 2008rated it liked it
His simple explanations and presentations of buddhist ideas are extremely well done; however, his comparisons with jesus and christian beliefs are somewhat lacking. I feel like there are a lot of comparisons he misses, and some that he makes are off the mark.

Still, an excellent book if solely from a buddhist perspective.
Jesse Markus
Jan 24, 2012rated it it was ok
I dunno man, this book is cute, I guess. I read it when I was going through a Buddhist phase and was hoping that by reading it I would somehow find some spiritual common ground that I could share with my born-again Christian father. This is a fluffy, feel-good sort of book, but it didn't do a lot for me. (less)
Edgar
Feb 14, 2013rated it it was amazing
This is an interesting book on comparative religion. While it does not directly compare Buddhism with Christianity, it delves into where the two unite. Thich Nhat Hanh is a Vietnamese Buddhist, whose contemplative nature, gives analysis of the spiritual and what it means to be human. A good read for anyone interested in Religion and Spirituality.
Cherie
Aug 04, 2018rated it liked it
Rating is in comparison to his other books that had more depth of meaning for me. I appreciate books like these because I am tired of people fighting over differences and villianizing those with different beliefs and backgrounds. Also, reading short passages at night is a good way to end day with a reflective mindset and resolve to start the next day with more mindfulness and caring.
Ben
Nov 25, 2008rated it liked it
A companion book to Living Buddha, Living Christ. If Jesus and Buddha were walking and met along the road, what might there discussion be?
The most intelligent and comprehensive outline of the similarities and differences between the two religions I've ever read. 
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John
May 15, 2013rated it it was amazing
I am very fond of everything I have read by Thich Nhat Hahn, and this work is certainly no exception.

His powerful commentary about the existence of suffering as it pertains to the human condition has really stuck with me.
Grace Kane
I adore all that Thich Nhat Hanh writes...I have also listened to this book (mp3 version)while outside tending my garden for hours...a favorite meditative activity for me:)
Nick
WARNING- Long review with some excerpts

A good series of lecture-style essays on the compatibility of Christianity and Buddhism from a Buddhist perspective. The author is a Buddhist monk, and the book definitely helped increase my knowledge and a feeling for Buddhist teaching. I particularly liked the constant use of imagery to drive home Buddhist points about the nature of reality, in particular the relationship between waves and the ocean. I also appreciated the idea, articulated from a different spiritual tradition, that your real home is the now. The here. The present. That is where God lives.

The author stresses that there is a common misconception that Buddhism is a teaching of emptiness and Christianity is a teaching of existence. Instead, he puts forward a view that both traditions are in fact similar when seen and studied deeply (and in fact bases most of his comparison on mystical forms of Christianity). This is where I disagree with him. While it is clear he understands his own Buddhist tradition well, he certainly has some gaps in knowledge about the importance of various Christian beliefs and doctrines. So while we get some lovely gems like:


"Faith is not made of notions and concepts. Right faith is nourished by your true understanding, not by the intellect but by your experience. It is true faith. I think that in Buddhist-Christian dialogue, faith is a very important topic of inquiry."

"It is so crucial to remove the notion of happiness. Then you have the opportunity to open the door to true happiness, which already exists inside and around us"

"Don't worry about tomorrow or yesterday, what you need is only today. If you worry too much, you will suffer. This is the practice of living deeply in the present moment. The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, the Kingdom is not a matter of the past. The Kingdom is now"

"Love cannot exist without suffering. In fact, suffering is the ground on which love is born...it is because we are struggling to free ourselves from the grip of suffering...that we learn how to love and how to take care of ourselves and of others... Love is a practice and unless you know what suffering is, you are not motivated to practice compassion, love, and understanding."

and value-neutral but wise sayings like:
"Impermanence is the reality of things in the phenomenal world"

However, he loses me a bit in flirting with the idea that Christianity has to transcend its own teachings (so to speak). While I understand his idea that experience of God trumps teaching, within Christianity, experience and orthodoxy exist together influence each other. The baby cannot be thrown out with the bath water. In Christianity, it is in fact integral that the world is real, that you are real, and that your experience of life as an ensouled being has a special emphasis. To speak of Christians "transcending" Jesus does not make sense. Yes, Christians and Buddhists have similarities up to a point. Both transcend their respective world-views as part of their daily practice. But a Christian will stop transcending to the point of Jesus, while a Buddhist will continue transcending until there is nothing left to transcend. Two interesting approaches, but this is an idea that from my limited understanding demonstrates a real difference between them.

Then again, some of his speeches are incredibly poetic and I am sure I have not fully comprehended them all. And I am by no means not an expert in "the way, the truth, the light" of Christianity. I would be happy to read more from him and on the topic of Buddhist/Christian philosophies.
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Liz Lem
May 02, 2020rated it it was amazing
“Buddhism teaches rebirth, many lives Christianity teaches that only this one life is available to you. Buddhism teaches that there is no self, but in Christianity there’s a real self. Buddhism teaches emptiness, no substance, while Christianity confirms the fact of existence.”
And in spite of theses differences Thich Nhat Hahn sees the only difference between the two religions is a matter of preference. You can prefer an apple or you can prefer a mango.
His writings really got me thinking and I always appreciate that. I know a decent amount about Buddhism but was brought up Catholic. Now I believe in a kind of mix of the religions and practice Science of Mind at Center for Spiritual Living.
It’s important to me, even during this pandemic to practice mindfulness. It’s a practice and not a perfect for sure.
Thich Nhat Hanh seems to have a similar belief and says it eloquently.
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Kevin Orth
Jan 03, 2019rated it it was amazing
Thich Nhat Hanh himself sums up the transcendent value of this work on page 98 "as I see it, if there is a real encounter between Buddhism and Christianity, there will be a very drastic change within the Christian tradition, and the most beautiful jewels in the tradition will be able to emerge. If you can bring into Christianity the insight of interbeing and of non-duality, we will radically transform the way people look on the Christian tradition, and the valuable jewels in the Christian tradition will be rediscovered."

If you are interested in exploring non-duality consciousness from a Christian perspective, look for work on contemplative prayer and centering prayer. Authors include Richard Rohr, Cynthia Boureault, and Thomas Keating.
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Mary Jane
Feb 12, 2020rated it really liked it
Thich Nhat Hanh brings Christians and Buddhists together in an understanding of the beautiful message and path both their spiritual founders taught and continue to teach.
Parts of this beautiful book are difficult for the Western mindset to follow but worth struggling through.
A gift to anyone who has found their way to both Jesus and Buddha.
Kristin Ashburn
Jan 05, 2022rated it it was amazing
I am forever reading and re-reading this book. Thich Nhat Hanh's approach to faith and what it means to recognize the sacred in each and every one of us is beautifully stated. He guides the reader through some very abstract concepts by utilizing his vast knowledge, personal experiences, stories, and metaphors. (less)
Buffy
Feb 02, 2019rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A good short read!

Not exactly what I expected, and not as enjoyable to me as his Being Peace. But a really good overview of the actual practice of being a Buddhist, compared and contrasted with that of being Christian.
Ginger Heskett
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John
Jun 02, 2017rated it really liked it
Shelves: spiritual
Very good discussion about Jesus and Buddha as brothers. Good explanations of both Christian and Buddhist philosophies and practices.
Joycelyn
Jul 01, 2018rated it it was amazing
One of the best books on interfaith for me up to this point <3
Shaun House
Jan 24, 2019rated it it was amazing
Wonderful message expressing the connections of Buddhism with religions, specifically Christianity.
Elizabeth
Jun 21, 2019rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I absolutely love anything written by Thich Nhat Hanh. He is a very humble intelligent person.
Jesse
Jun 26, 2020rated it it was amazing
Beautiful, compassionate, and enlightening. I would recommend this book to anyone interested in the unity between Jesus and Buddha.