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Lincoln's Battle with God: A President's Struggle with Faith and What It Meant for America by Stephen Mansfield | Goodreads

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Lincoln's Battle with God: A President's Struggle with Faith and What It Meant for America

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Stephen Mansfield
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Abraham Lincoln is the most beloved of all U.S. presidents. He freed the slaves, gave the world some of its most beautiful phrases, and redefined the meaning of America. He did all of this with wisdom, compassion, and wit.

Yet, throughout his life, Lincoln fought with God. In his early years in Illinois, he rejected even the existence of God and became the village atheist. In time, this changed but still he wrestled with the truth of the Bible, preachers, doctrines, the will of God, the providence of God, and then, finally, God’s purposes in the Civil War. Still, on the day he was shot, Lincoln said he longed to go to Jerusalem to walk in the Savior’s steps.

What had happened? What was the journey that took Abraham Lincoln from outspoken atheist to a man who yearned to walk in the footsteps of Christ?

In this thrilling journey through a largely unknown part of American history, New York Times best-selling author Stephen Mansfield tells the richly textured story of Abraham Lincoln’s spiritual life and draws from it a meaning sure to inspire Americans today. (less)

Hardcover, 242 pages
Published November 12th 2012 by Thomas Nelson (first published August 21st 2012)

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Feb 19, 2013T.M. rated it it was ok
I like just about any book about Lincoln, so I can't say that I didn't like this book. It was just disappointing.

I felt as though Mansfield definitely leapt to conclusions too quickly and jumped through a lot of hoops to classify Lincoln's religious beliefs without concrete evidence. He will write something like, "historians doubt [X] is true" but then proceed to take [X] as fact.

At one point (152) he argues plainly that Lincoln believed in "God as creator, as ruler of the world...He believed in the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ as teacher, Savior of the world...He believed in heaven, in the resurrection of the dead, and what Christians call eternal life...in fasting and prayer as a means of urging God to change human affairs, in repentance of sins, in observing the Sabbath...etc." For some of these assertions we have no evidence to believe they are true, for others we have conflicting evidence, and for some we have evidence so that we know they definitely AREN'T true.

We know that Lincoln underwent a religious transformation. We know he began his political career as mostly, if not entirely, atheist. And we know that while in the White House, if not sooner, he became much more religious. But at no point can we be sure that Lincoln ever became the sort of perfect Christian that Mansfield seeks to paint.

Overall, the book was a fast, easy read but if you're looking to read only one Lincoln book, I would stick with "Lincoln's Melancholy" by Joshua Wolf Shenk. It covers everything that Mansfield covers in this volume (and more) creating a more concrete and nuanced portrait of America's best president. (less)
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May 21, 2020Julie Davis rated it it was amazing
Just as he is for many Americans, Abraham Lincoln is one of my heroes. Honest, steadfast, witty, and determined, he guided our nation through one of our most difficult times. I remember hearing several years ago that he was an atheist and that any language about faith in his speeches was just for political purposes. Ok, if that's who he was then that's who he was.

I was intrigued, therefore, when I saw this book and many positive reviews. The subtitle grabbed me — A President's Struggle with Faith and What It Meant for America — so I picked it up with a spare Audible credit. It is read by the author and is fairly short - around 5 hours.

I was pleased to find an even-handed telling of Lincoln's faith journey throughout his life. I especially appreciated the author taking care to bring up opposing points of view and objections when people's accounts of Lincoln's faith seem too easy or fabricated. This is done through using Lincoln's own letters, speeches, and other writing, as well as those of his contemporaries.

It is also a good, fairly short biography for anyone who'd like to get the gist without committing to thousands of pages which usually comprise a Lincoln biography. Lincoln's story is also very modern in many ways. His motives for his atheism ring true today. His personal journey rings true with my own experience.

Highly recommended. (less)
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Jan 29, 2013George P. rated it it was amazing
Lincoln’s Battle with God will disappoint two kinds of readers: secularists and Christian nationalists, both of whom want to claim America’s sixteenth president as wholly their own. He is neither, however. As Stephen Mansfield writes, “The silencing of Lincoln’s faith by the secular and the exaggerating of Lincoln’s faith by the religious have given us a less accurate and a less engaging Lincoln. We are poorer for the distortions.” Indeed we are, which is all the more reason to appreciate the accomplishment of Mansfield’s book.

That accomplishment is the mapping of Abraham Lincoln’s religious journey. The journey began in 1809 in Kentucky, whose frontier religion was shaped by the camp-meeting revivalism of Cane Ridge (1801). Lincoln’s parents, Thomas and Nancy, were Hard Shell Baptists. Their religion was primitive, emotional, and fervent. Lincoln loved his mother, who died when he was 10. Whatever spiritual sensitivity he had seems to have come from her. But when he was emancipated from his father at age 21, Lincoln disavowed both the man and his God.

As Lincoln struck out on his own in New Salem, Illinois, he fell in with a group of freethinkers, devotees of Paine, Volney, and Burns. He was known as an “infidel” who referred to Jesus Christ as a “bastard” and delighted to point out the Bible’s seeming contradictions in public debate. He went so far as to write a “little book on Infidelity” that his freethinking friends had the foresight to burn. This is the Lincoln secularists love and the religious loathe.

But infidelity was not Lincoln’s final take on religion. A change of view began when Lincoln moved to Springfield, the capital of Illinois. In 1846, in a hotly contested race against Methodist circuit rider Peter Cartwright for Illinois’s 7th Congressional District, Lincoln published a handbill dishonestly disavowing his earlier infidelity. “I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular,” he wrote, when in fact he had done precisely those things. His infidelity was softening, if for no other reason than political necessity. (Incidentally, he won the race.)

There may have been more going on, however. In 1849, having served his term in Congress, Lincoln moved briefly to Lexington, Kentucky, to settle the estate of his father-in-law, Robert Smith Todd. There, he came across The Christian’s Defence, a work of apologetics by Rev. James D. Smith, who happened to be the pastor of Springfield’s First Presbyterian Church. Upon returning to Springfield, Lincoln sought out Smith for conversation, and the Lincoln family began attending his church and supporting its ministries. When Thomas Lincoln lay dying, Lincoln wrote his stepbrother these words of comfort to convey to his father: “He [God] will not forget the dying man, who puts his trust in Him…but that if it be his lot to go now, he will soon have a joyous [meeting] with many loved ones gone before; and where [the rest] of us, through the help of God, hope ere-long [to join] them.” Whether this is a heartfelt, orthodox Christian faith is uncertain. That it is not infidelity is quite clear, however. Lincoln was on a journey.

That journey took him physically to Washington DC. Spiritually, however, it took him into uncharted territory. The Civil War did not bring out the best in America’s theologians, whose theologies predictably lined up with their respective political sympathies, whether Northern or Southern. Lincoln, of course, was for the Union, but his theology transcended his politics. In September 1862, Lincoln wrote himself this note:

The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be wrong. God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God’s purpose is something different from the purpose of either party—and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose. I am almost ready to say this is probably true—that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere quiet power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds.

What was God’s will? Lincoln came to believe that God’s purpose for him was to expand his war aims beyond merely preserving the Union (the cause Lincoln articulated in his First Inaugural Address). Now the additional purpose was freeing the slaves. According to Salmon Chase, secretary of the Treasury, Lincoln told his Cabinet, “I determined, as soon as it [the Confederate army] should be driven out of Maryland, to issue a Proclamation of Emancipation such as I thought most likely to be useful. I said nothing to any one; but I made the promise to myself and (hesitating a little)—to my Maker. The rebel army is now driven out, and I am going to fulfill that promise.” In short, the issuing of the Emancipation Proclamation was the fulfillment of a religious vow, as much as it was a military strategy or a war aim.

After Lincoln had been re-elected but before the Confederacy had been defeated, Lincoln declared his theological understanding of the war to the broadest possible audience in his Second Inaugural Address:

Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. “Woe unto the world because of offenses! For it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!” [Matthew 18:7] If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether” [Psalm 19:9].

An infidel doesn’t speak this way. Were he to mask his politics behind civil religion, he would speak the argot of his supporters and fellow partisans. He would not transcend their politicized religion with a critique aimed at both sides equally. Nor would he promise “malice toward none…charity for all” as government policy. But Abraham Lincoln did. He was no infidel. Then again, an orthodox Christian wouldn’t be caught dead in a theater on Good Friday, as Abraham Lincoln was on April 14, 1865, when felled by a single bullet to the back of his head. Lincoln was no orthodox Christian either.

This, then, is the outline of Abraham Lincoln’s religious journey that Stephen Mansfield traces in Lincoln’s Battle with God. There is much more, of course, especially regarding how religion soothed Lincoln’s lifelong melancholy and helped him grieve the death of two sons. But the journey is there: from infidelity to something short of orthodox Christianity. Mansfield’s book will disappoint secular and religious partisans. Those less interested in partisan (mis)uses of history will delight in the honesty and ambiguity of the story it tells. (less)
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Dec 20, 2014Grandpa rated it really liked it
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Mr. Mansfield's argument in this very well written book can be summed up using his own words found on page 186 "...He had hated God, had felt tortured and rejected by him, like Job of old. Utimately and through a process of years, Lincoln came to see God as good and just. He learned to rely on his comfort, trust in his guidance, and stand in awe of his perfect judgments. He may even have learned to love God as a heavenly Father far beyond any earthly father he had known."

In my opinion Mr. Mansfield made his case using what has been accepted as true by most Lincoln scholars of the events in Lincoln's life and comparing those events with Lincoln's own words. I didn't give the 5 stars (but would rate it 4.5) because at times I felt that Mr. Mansfield was perhaps reaching a bit too far in his statements of what Lincoln "believed." Having said that though I would highly recommend this book to anyone studying Lincoln because his religious journey from non-believer to the man placing his faith in the judgment of God cannot and must not be excluded in any understanding of America's greatest president. (less)
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Oct 07, 2016A.L. Buehrer rated it really liked it
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I've always known that Lincoln was our best president, and this book only further confirmed it. Lincoln was a great character--very complex, conflicted, and even contradictory at times.
This book had a very speculative feeling to it. A lot of different arguments were presented. But I think this reflects in a very honest way, how Lincoln research is. And this in turn says something about the man himself, who never really stated anything outright about his inner self.
I learned a lot of things I didn't know about Abraham Lincoln's family, and the complicated and tumultuous journey he took from apparently radical atheist, to apparently Christian. Even with the question of exactly what kind of Christian he became, if a genuine Christian at all left hanging, I think this book shed a great deal of light on a subject I rarely even hear discussed. (less)
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Jul 18, 2017David Steele rated it really liked it
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The sixteenth president of the United States is dearly beloved by conservatives and liberals alike. He is known for his exemplary leadership, uncompromising character, and love for liberty. Yet his approach to God and the Christian life is something that is either assumed or neglected altogether. Either option shows a certain amount of naivety and must be challenged. Stephen Mansfield’s book, Lincoln’s Battle With God: A President’s Struggle With Faith and What it Meant for America addresses thi ...more
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Mar 04, 2022John Waldrip rated it it was amazing
An insightful history of Lincoln's spiritual background and personal struggles with sin, salvation, and the things of God. Written with clarity and an appreciation for the conventions of Lincoln's day, the author is careful to avoid projecting modern mores and conventions to those living in the past. A great read. (less)
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Mar 29, 2017Literary Chic rated it really liked it
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I found this book interesting without being confrontational. It was nice to hear Lincoln's varied opinions of a god. The most interesting thing I noticed was that in all of the quotes Mr. Mansfield sourced, Lincoln never referred to Jesus Christ. He referred to a deity in many ways but not by any name in this book.

The author was thought provoking and and truly seemed to give a fair analysis of Lincoln's beliefs.

"When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion." - Abraham Lincoln (less)
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Nov 23, 2012Luke rated it it was amazing
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A marvelous book focusing on the spiritual journey of Abraham Lincoln, from an athiest to a skeptic to a believer, whose developing faith affected the nation and helped his understanding of the Civil War. Lincoln is such a complicated subject but this appears to be a honest and unbiased portrait.
"We want conclusions rather than processes, and we want conversions rather than religious journeys. The search for Abraham Lincoln's faith disappoints only if we begin that journey assuming there will be a dramatic resolution, that at some point in the story Abraham Lincoln will kneel at an altar and satisfy us with a verifiable spiritual experience."
"The silencing of Lincoln's faith by the secular and the exaggerating of Lincoln's faith by the religious have given us a less accurate and a less engaging Lincoln. We are poorer for the distortions." (less)
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Jul 18, 2017Amanda rated it liked it · review of another edition
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Mansfield's book on Abraham Lincoln's faith is an interesting read. Following Lincoln's faith from his rejection of God in his youth to his final words about walking in the footsteps of Christ, this book looks at Lincoln's spiritual journey and makes some informed guesses at what the president was thinking and how he changed in his beliefs about God. While I was not convinced (and I'm unsure whether or not the author was convinced) that Lincoln was a Christian at his death, based on this book I also would not be able to say that he was not. My only objection to the book is that it seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time on Lincoln's time before the presidency and almost gloss over the Civil War. The appendix with all Lincoln's speeches from his presidency was very helpful, as the book often uses short quotes from these speeches that a reader may not be able to remember in context. (less)
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Jan 22, 2017Mary rated it liked it
Relying on excerpts from Lincoln's speeches, letters, and conversations recounted by Lincoln's friends and associates, Mansfield makes a case for President Lincoln's transition from a nonbeliever into a man who puts his faith in God and the teachings of the Bible.

Mansfield's writing reminds me of reading a graduate thesis, very workman like and documented. All in all an interesting read. Lincoln's personal experiences with death and the burden of the Civil War support Mansfield's conclusion that Lincoln was a man of faith in God. I have never doubted this about Lincoln. Although I was surprised to learn, that he did pretended to believe to help him get elected as a young man. I would have never suspected such duplicity from Honest Abe. (less)
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May 24, 2016Ben Denison rated it really liked it · review of another edition
A fascinating book. I've heard/read a lot about Lincoln, but little about his faith (or lack there-of). Although non-Christians and Christians alike claim him for their side, he seemed really conflicted most of his life. His early life was one of rebellion as he was brought up in a very strict Christian home with a very domineering father that Lincoln did not like. "I'm chosen and you're not!". This soured him toward religion.

His early adulthood was one of avowed atheist and mocked religion and God every chance he got. He also struggled with depression most his life. In early politics he realized he had to lie about his lack of faith and was often blasted by opponents for his earlier writings. We've heard he lost many elections before being elected president, but i'd never heard/seen his anti-religious views as being one of the reasons. However, you do start to see his views slowly changed, and by the time he was elected president, his writings, friends, and speeches seem to have a different tone and direction toward God and faith.

By the time of his presidency, he was attending church regularly, had the Bible near him and was reading and quoting it throughout his presidency. Many of his friends and colleagues said he was a man of faith late in his life. (less)
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Jun 30, 2021Brett Milam rated it it was amazing · review of another edition
I’ve been on a bit of a presidential history kick lately, as the two primary areas of history I find most interesting are presidential history and military history in the United States, and I’ve also been trying to get back into absorbing as much about the American Civil War as I can. There’s no better place to turn than that of Abraham Lincoln to accomplish all of those goals. Admittedly, while at the library, I was in search of two other Lincoln books, neither of which were available in audiobook form. However, I did come across Stephen Mansfield’s book, Lincoln’s Battle with God: A President’s Struggle with Faith and What It Meant for America.

Now, for those who know me and know that I’m not religious, a book centered on a president’s faith might seem an odd choice for me. But it’s not in the slightest. You don’t have to be religious to study religion and to be familiar with it, particularly because, as the title points out, a president’s faith is influential on the course the country can take or not take. And I’m pretty convinced by Mansfield’s argument that Lincoln’s evolution over time on religion influenced the kind of president he was. It also influenced Lincoln’s view of the Civil War as being a righteous cause for the Union to persist within, even when the war seemed lost at times.

Also, Lincoln has always struck me as a sort of sermon-like president in the way he writes his speeches. They feel steeped in a grander vision of the country and humanity itself.

As any book about a president and his faith is going to do, Mansfield has to offer a quasi-biographical look at Lincoln and I found all of that fascinating. I’m particularly fascinated by the idea of how rampantly self-educated not only Lincoln basically was, but the colonists in general were. Mansfield makes the argument that the colonists were so ardently self-educated to prove that they could create a culture of their own separate from England.

It’s interesting. There’s a sense in which people of today automatically assume they are better educated and smarter than the people of yesteryear. In some ways, particularly moral ways, perhaps so. But in a fundamental educated way? I don’t know if that holds as much water as we egotistically like to think. Consider again, the notion of being self-taught in a plethora of subjects. Or scale it back further: Being self-taught into literacy itself. Or that many of the leading men of that day spoke multiple languages.

That Lincoln was able to emerge from a life of abject poverty and the brutishness in general of 19th century life to be as well-read, well-spoken and such a poetic writer as he is is a remarkable reflection upon the man himself.

I also didn’t know that Lincoln in his younger days kept an arm’s length from God and religion, particularly it seems as a manifestation of the fraught relationship he had with his father, who was religious. And not just an arm’s length, but as many people who are younger and still developing their ideologies and worldviews, he was vociferously and boisterously against the notion of religion. So much so that townsfolk where he lived thought of him as an infidel (an unbeliever). That makes it even more remarkable that Lincoln was able to rise in the ranks of political office, including to the highest office in the land. I’m not sure an open atheist could win the presidency today and it would have seemed a bigger ask of yesteryear. Sure, the skeptic and cynic in you could, as I did, initially think he achieved high office because Lincoln altered his views on God to better align with the voting public, but I believe Mansfield makes a convincing case that Lincoln’s views on God and religion genuinely evolved over his lifetime. At minimum, Lincoln went from being a vocal hater of religion to someone who spoke about God’s influence.

So, I came for Mansfield’s examination of Lincoln’s relationship with God and I stayed for that, but also, I was most fascinated by Mansfield’s details on Lincoln’s bouts with clinical depression or, as Lincoln called it, “hypo.” And yes, you guessed it, yet again, 19th century medicine enters the room with the catch-all solution to any ailment, including Lincoln’s depression: Bloodletting.

Anyhow, Lincoln went through a lot. Not that one needs to “go through a lot” to be clinically depressed, but it certainly doesn’t help the depression issues when your mother dies at nine-years-old, your father thinks academics are dumb and your son dies at a young age, too. At various times, Lincoln even contemplated suicide, so much so that his closest friends and family hid razors from him.

The only area where I had some eyebrow-raising skepticism was actually the beginning of the book when Mansfield recounted Lincoln’s purported last words before being assassinated by John Wilkes Booth. Those final words, which had to do with visiting the Holy Land, came from Lincoln’s wife and first lady, Mary Todd Lincoln. The only issue there is she recounted it nearly two decades after the assassination. Later, Mansfield will dismiss an accounting of Lincoln’s life that was told decades later. So, such an inconsistency bugged me.

Nonetheless, again, I thought Mansfield presented a compelling book about the life of Lincoln. I fully believe that someone could start out hostile to God and religion and then through time and experience, come back to a better relationship with each. After all, we’re not just talking about God, but I think a lot of Lincoln’s hostilities were for the institution of religion; the hustlers and grifters of his day.

I didn’t take notes on this audiobook, as I didn’t want to burden myself with that, as I had with previous audiobooks and television reviews. But I did jot down one particular line Mansfield uses to describe purported atheists like Lincoln, “There is no God and I hate him.” I feel that perfectly describes Lincoln’s relationship. He didn’t disbelief God; he hated him for the way he (Lincoln) was and the way the world was.

If you’re also into presidential history or history in general or obviously, religion, then I would recommend this book. I’m certain you will walk away learning something new about Lincoln. Lincoln’s oratory skills, his desire to save the Union, and his freeing of the slaves via the Emancipation Proclamation, as well as his assassination, are the well-known highlights, but as Mansfield rightly points out, Lincoln’s relationship to God is not as well-known or taught.

Mansfield’s book is a nice contribution to making that relationship more known. (less)
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Nov 19, 2013Cheryl rated it it was amazing
Excellent book about the struggles and life of Abraham Lincoln. I feel I've gotten to know our 16th president better, and have a greater admiration, respect, and appreciation for all he did for our country. I do not agree with those who feel Mr Lincoln was not a christian, simply because he did not profess it and was not baptized. Mr. Lincoln certainly "walked the walk". Many profess to know Christ, they "talk the talk" - but that is as far as it goes. It was these Christians who turned Abraham Lincoln away from the faith in the beginning. Abraham Lincoln had a heart of gold and grew ever closer to his Lord, Jesus Christ. No, he may not have started out as a Christian, but he grew close to the Lord in his short journey on this earth, especially as he suffered in the valleys of his life and with the loss of two of his sons. I admire Lincoln for his love of education, how he was able to succeed with such little formal training, yet pushed himself to learn. Excellent read about a man we were very blessed to have serve this country. (less)
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Feb 10, 2017James P rated it it was amazing
Interesting approach to religious biography. Does a masterful job of marshaling the evidence for Lincoln's progressing from religious skeptic to man of faith. Also contains some interesting facts about period revivals and the popularity of spiritism. Paints a clear picture of Lincoln as a brilliant, but compassionate human being. (less)
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Aug 24, 2014Jay rated it liked it
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Like many other facets of the 16th President's life, Mansfield argues that Lincoln's religious views evolved over time. The author maintains that Lincoln moves from being an outright skeptic early in his life, to a more modest point of view after his 3 year old son Eddie died in Springfield, to being a full-fledged believer in the divinity of Jesus Christ by the time of his Presidency. Most scholars concur that his views evolved, though very few would agree to the extent Mansfield insists, and even the author acknowledges, "We will never know." (less)
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Jan 27, 2020Tom Hardman rated it it was amazing
I’ve shared some thoughts about this book in a talk that I gave in church, which you can read here on my blog:

Some Thoughts on the Book of Mormon

(The talk is about the Book of Mormon, but I also discuss some of the things that I learned from this book about Abraham Lincoln's spiritual journey.) (less)
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Feb 16, 2013Vic rated it it was amazing
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Wow! This is a must read and perhaps I should rate it 5 stars. I wished the book was longer. Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was an atheist at one point in his life? His spiritual growth and development are fascinating; his character is amazing. I think it is important to know how his faith and prayer moved the course of the nation. I love him with all my heart.
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Apr 23, 2016William Monaco rated it really liked it
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Very good discussion about the role religion played into Lincoln's life and how it shaped his time in Springfield and Washington, DC. A great read for anyone who wants a unique take on Lincoln's life! (less)
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Nov 21, 2017Melissa Embry rated it really liked it
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Americans have a strange relationship with thanksgiving. Make that, Thanksgiving, with a capital T. Prior to Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation of October 3, 1863, public observances of thanksgiving were intended to mark specific events – a military victory, a good harvest, perhaps sheer survival in a new land. Lincoln’s proclamation was made in the middle of the most horrific war our country had known up to that time – and has yet known. It’s a contradiction Stephen Mansfield captures movingly in Lincoln’s Battle with God.

I listened to this relatively short book on audio. Although I usually prefer audio books read by professional voice actors, there’s an undeniable earnestness to having an author read his own words. And Mansfield, a popular speaker and author of several books on public aspects of religion, reads those words well. Better still, after listening to Lincoln’s Battle with God, check out the print version for an appendix of Lincoln’s presidential proclamations referencing religious language, strikingly different from those of a younger Lincoln who had proclaimed himself an atheist.

It was an attitude that seems almost natural in Mansfield’s telling. In his early life on the American frontier, Lincoln had experiences of tragedy shocking to 21st century readers. Even before the death of his adored mother Nancy when he was nine and she was only in her 30’s, he had known the death of a younger brother. Soon after Nancy Lincoln’s death, her widower, Thomas, abandoned his two surviving children to the doubtful care of a young relative and disappeared for months, seeking a new wife. The children had given Thomas up for dead also before he finally reappeared, bringing them a stepmother.

Although Abraham Lincoln would later speak affectionately of both his mother and stepmother, his relationship with his father was painful. Thomas Lincoln belittled his son, and especially that son’s love of learning – a love Abraham would cling to more tenaciously as the legacy of his dead mother’s love of poetry, song and story. A difficult relationship between father and son, as another Christian writer, C.S. Lewis would later note, can cause difficulties for the acceptance of Christianity, a religion which puts so much emphasis on the role of divine fatherhood.

In his rebellion against Thomas, Abraham Lincoln lavished affection on his own children, only to lose two of them to death – one before, and one during his presidency. Each death sent the children’s mother, Mary Todd Lincoln, into despondency for which she sought the aid of the then-current fad of spiritualism.

Struggling lifelong with bouts of depression, with a nation that had split in two even before his first inauguration, and a war that brought unprecedented death to that nation, Lincoln had cause to wonder how a beneficient God could allow such things to happen.

And yet, according to Mary, her husband’s last words as they sat together in Ford’s Theater, “in the sacred seconds that remained” before an assassin’s bullet penetrated his brain, Lincoln continued a conversation he had begun earlier that day. “We will visit the Holy Land and see those places hallowed by the footsteps of the Savior. There is no place I so much desire to see as Jerusalem.”

Was Mary’s recollection, made to a minister nearly two decades after her husband’s death, accurate? Could a Lincoln who never joined a church (although in later life he attended fairly regularly with his family), who most likely had never been baptized, have become a believer?

Mansfield makes a case for the possibility as he charts the change in Lincoln’s behavior and his words, moving from avowed atheism to public words such as his Thanksgiving proclamation of late 1863: “The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessing of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties. . . other have been added which are of so extraordinary a nature that they can not fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.”

Author Stephen Mansfield became a bestselling author with books about public religion, including the faiths of George W. Bush and Barak Obama. In view of these earlier works, it seems a little odd that he chose not to trace changes in public manifestations of presidential religion in this book. And, as he readily admits, his premise – presumably his hope – that Lincoln experienced a conversion of the heart, is impossible to prove. The only person who could confirm it has been dead for a century and a half. However, even without ultimate proof, Lincoln’s Battle with God remains, a thoughtful and intimate story of the emotional struggle of one of America’s greatest leaders. (less)
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Sep 19, 2019Ryan rated it really liked it
Having read at least half a dozen other biographies on Abraham Lincoln, this was an excellent supplement on an aspect of Abraham Lincoln's life and character that is frequently underemphasized, downplayed, neglected, or ignored entirely. Mansfield's work explores the "tidbits" found in other biographies and, without overplaying or making more than there is from actual evidence, provides a balanced and moderate interpretation of Lincoln's spiritual journey throughout his life. His basic approach is to not make too little or too much of anything, without having significant corroborating evidence. I was very glad to see this, given my previous experience with a book by the same author that I reviewed much less than favorably (see my review of "The Mormonizing of America"). Everything I read here seemed to fit nicely with everything I read in all of the other biographies without making Lincoln's struggle with faith overblown or overshadow the rest of what we know about this great American leader.
Given Mansfield's previous (unsuccessful) foray into "Mormonism" (published the same year as this book, incidentally) I would have liked to see him say something about Lincoln's interactions with the "Mormons." Ron Anderson has made much of Lincoln's interactions and possibly inner theological sympathies with the "Mormons" in Illinois (2009, 2014), and Timothy Ballard has made too much (in my opinion) of Lincoln's possible interaction with the Book of Mormon (2014). But since two of those books came out after this book by Mansfield that can hardly be expected. Still, I'd like to see them all in the same room together one day.
All in all, Mansfield does an excellent job chronicling Lincoln's personal spiritual journey, and he offers a decent conclusion to how this affects religiosity and spirituality in America via the Gettysburg Address and the Second Inaugural, but he could have done more with that. For example, he might have tried to contextualize all of this about Lincoln's spiritual journey in the context of the work of Frank Lambert, or someone like that. But this is still definitely worth reading and filled in some important gaps in the complex character of one of America's most important figures. (less)
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Jun 15, 2018W. Derek Atkins rated it it was amazing · review of another edition
Abraham Lincoln has always been one of my heroes, together with William Wilberforce and Dietrich Bonhoeffer. This book did not disappoint. I learned many new things about Abraham Lincoln, including a few unsavory details such as the fact that he visited a number of prostitutes during his bachelor days. But what I really appreciate the most about this book was that Stephen Mansfield did an outstanding job of researching and tracing out the trajectory of Abraham Lincoln's spiritual life.

At the end of this book, Mansfield observes that among Lincoln scholars, debates about Abraham Lincoln's religious beliefs almost always degenerate into a duel of quotes, which rarely sheds much light on this vital question. Instead, Mansfield attempts to look at the progression of Abraham's spiritual journey, making a very good case that he was "the village atheist" during his twenties, but later came very close - at the least - toward becoming a bona fide Christian. The difficulty with studying Lincoln's spirituality, as Mansfield notes, is that Abraham Lincoln never had a moment when he "got down on his knees" or prayed the Sinner's Prayer, or did any of the other acts or markers that most Evangelicals would identify as signs of a genuine conversion to the Christian faith.

In my opinion, Mansfield does an excellent job of researching and sifting through all the evidence concerning Abraham Lincoln's spiritual journey. There are points in his narrative when Mansfield clearly indulges in speculation, but they are generally easily identifiable, usually by Mansfield use of phrases such as "Perhaps he [Lincoln] thought..." Otherwise, this is a work of careful scholarship.

I heartily recommend this book to anyone who is interested in Abraham Lincoln's fascinating and consequential life, and especially those who seek greater understanding on the vexed question of Abraham Lincoln's religious beliefs.
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Feb 23, 2018Angela Sangalang rated it really liked it
I don't normally like biographies or history or anything remotely close to nonfiction books on political figures. But I had "Lincoln's Battle with God" in ebook format, untouched, and after watching "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" (spoiler: he was not a vampire hunter in real life), I was looking for a book to read and was pulled to this one. I loved it mainly because I learned so much about Lincoln in an engaging way. I expected dry historical material - not because of the author, it was just a prejudice - but I was very wrong.

Lincoln had a very interesting life, and the way Stephen Mansfield presented it kept me wanting to read. Mansfield's focus was on Lincoln's faith journey. I didn't know much about Lincoln or how his faith was a topic of debate and contention among historians, but I felt that Mansfield did his research and was objective. He presented Lincoln as a man on a spiritual journey, while not romanticizing his life and faith. It's like he took in every piece of research with a grain of salt, and basically told the readers to do the same because there's simply a lot we do not and will never know about Abraham Lincoln. (less)
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Jun 02, 2017Andrew Neveils rated it really liked it
Mansfield provides. Plethora of sources and writes clearly, concisely, and shows a mastery of the subject. I appreciate that he leaves you to draw your own conclusion, which isn't a spoiler because he more or less points to this in his introduction. But he lays out sufficient evidence that you can think of Lincoln's faith what you want -- at least now you have more data to think that way.

My only qualm is with the layout/format. I blame the publisher on this, but Mansfield does his best to keep the evidence in chronological order, keeping in step with Lincoln's faith journey. But the editor/publisher organized the chapters that splits the journey into different fragments, seemingly to separate the primary influences, but ultimately taking away from the cohesion for which the author aimed.

But you, dear reader, may not care about that. The information is clearly laid out and explained where necessary. Mansfield presents a balanced and reasoned case to the faith of President Abraham Lincoln. (less)
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하나님을 경험하는 삶  | 하나님을 경험하는 삶
헨리 T. 블랙가비 (지은이),문정민 (옮긴이)요단출판사2006-03-10

원제 : Experiencing God: Knowing and Doing the Will of God

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서론

제1장 경험으로 하나님을 아는 것
제2장 하나님의 본질을 아는 것
제3장 하나님의 뜻을 행하는 것
제4장 하나님의 종으로 사는 것
제5장 하나님을 경험하는 삶의 일곱 가지 실체
제6장 하나님은 당신 주위에서 일하고 계신다
제7장 하나님은 사랑의 관계를 추구하신다
제8장 하나님이 주도하신다
제9장 하나님께 동참하라는 하나님의 초청
제10장 하나님은 하나님의 사람들에게 말씀하신다
제11장 하나님은 자신과 자신의 목적들과 길들을 계시하신다
제12장 하나님은 성경을 통해서 말씀하신다
제13장 하나님은 기도를 통해서 말씀하신다
제14장 하나님은 환경을 통해서 말씀하신다
제15장 하나님은 교회를 통해서 말씀하신다
제16장 하나님의 초청은 믿음의 갈등을 초래한다
제17장 하나님과의 연합은 획기적인 조정을 요구한다
제18장 하나님과의 연합은 순종을 요구한다
제19장 하나님이 자신의 일을 성취하신다

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저자 및 역자소개
헨리 T. 블랙가비 (Henry T. Blackaby) (지은이) 
헨리 블랙커비는 남침례교단 소속 라이프웨이 크리스천 재단, 해외선교회, 북미선교회 등 여러 기관의 대표들을 특별자문위원으로 돕고 있다. 1997년 <홈 라이프>가 선정한 미국에서 가장 영향력 있는 크리스천 10인에 뽑히는 등, 이 시대 영성 회복의 최전선에서 미국의 초교파적 <대각성 사역>의 핵심 인물로 활동하고 있다. 저서로는 하나님이 페이스침례교회 성도들 속에서 직접 일하신 내용을 기록한 『성령이 교회에게 무슨 말씀을 하시는가?』(What the Spirit Is Saying
to the Churches)와 하나님께서 어디서 일하시며 또 성도들이 어떻게 그분과 함께할 수 있는지를 진지하게 고민한 『하나님을 경험하는 삶』(Experiencing God) 등이 있다. 헨리는 아내 메릴린과의 사이에 다섯 자녀를 두었다. 이들 다섯 자녀 모두 하나님의 부르심에 응답해 교회와 관련된 사역을 하고 있거나 선교사로 섬기고 있다. 접기
최근작 : <예수님의 기도를 경험하는 삶>,<하나님이 쓰시는 사람>,<하나님을 경험하는 삶 7가지 실체> … 총 257종 (모두보기)


문정민 (옮긴이) 
1964년 서울에서 태어났으며, UC Berkeley 대학 경제학과를 졸업했다. 버클랜드 침례교회, 버클리 교회에서 버클리 대학교 대학생들과 2, 30대 젊은이들을 대상으로 사역을 하면서 버클랜드 침례교회의 성경훈련학교에서 교사로 수고하고 있다. 옮긴책으로 <하나님을 경험하는 삶>이 있다.

     
베스트셀러 성경공부 교재가 책으로 나왔다. 단행본으로도 정말 좋아요.  구매
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최고의 성경공부 교재 

미국에서 유학할 때 지도하고 있던 한인 2세 청년들의 소개로 영어로 된 성경 공부 교재를 먼저 접했다. 수많은 성경공부 교재를 접했지만 이 교재를 보고서는 정말 감탄했다. 외우고 문제를 푸는 방식의 성경공부 교재와 달리 이 책은 하나님을 경험하는 구체적인 방법들을 함께 알아가는, 참으로 신선한 접근 방법이었다. 순장과 순원이 1대 1로 해도 좋고 소그룹이 모여 이 책대로 진도를 나가는 것도 좋을 것이다. 아직도 이 책을 모르는 목회자나 평신도 지도자가 있다면 반드시 한번 일독을 하도록 권하고 싶다. 어쩌면 소그룹 인도자가 이 책을 보면서 먼저 깨질지도 모르겠다. 두군데서 번역했는데 번역은 대체로 둘 다 무난한 것 같다. 이왕이면 최근에 개정한 개정판을 사는 것이 더 좋을 것 같다.

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살은 빼더라도 영은 살찌우자 

평소 성경공부 교재에 관심이 많았던 나는 [하나님을 경험하는 삶]이 20세기 교회를 움직인 100권의 책에 선정된 것을 보고 당장 구입하였습니다. 이 책은 출판사에서는 주목을 받지 못했지만 입소문을 타고 널리 퍼졌습니다. 이 책은 일상생활 속에서 하나님을 경험하게 해 주는 탁월한 교재이기 때문입니다.

헨리와 클로드는 하나님을 경험하는 일곱 가지 원칙을 제시하고 그 원칙을 적용하는 구체적인 방법을 알려 주었습니다. 먼저 출판된 스터디 교재(1990년)는 12장으로 구성되었지만 독자들의 열화와 같은 성원에 힘입어 나중에 19장으로 구성된 책(1994년)이 출판되었습니다. 보통의 경우 책이 먼저 나오고 스터디 교재가 나중에 나오지만 말입니다.


이 책은 여타의 성경공부 교재처럼 리더가 필요하지 않습니다. 물론 그룹을 이루고 리더의 지도 아래 성경공부를 한다면 효과적이겠지만 혼자서도 공부할 수 있도록 단순하게 쓰여 졌습니다. 이야기를 읽다보면 내용이 이해됩니다. 이 책은 다른 성경공부 교재처럼 체계적이면서도 실제적입니다. 일곱 가지 원칙이 체계라면 그 적용이 실제입니다. 2008년을 이 책과 함께 시작한다면 당신의 삶이 훨씬 더 풍요로워질 것이라고 확신합니다.
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The Experiencing God ministry is even more vibrant today than when it began. As it continues to rise, and the world continues to change, the Experiencing Godbook has been revised and expanded with more than seventy percent of its material newly written. A modern classic that has sold millions of copies worldwide, Experiencing Godis based on seven Scriptural realities that teach us how to develop a true relationship with the Creator.

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Henry Blackaby is founder and president emeritus of Blackaby Ministries International, an organization built to help people experience God. He and his wife Marilynn have five children and fourteen grandchildren and live in Rex, Georgia.

Richard Blackaby is president of Blackaby Ministries International and the oldest child of Henry and Marilynn Blackaby. He holds degrees from the University of Saskatchewan, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and Dallas Baptist University. He lives with his wife and children in Canada.

Claude King is editor-in-chief for undated resources at LifeWay Christian Resources. He holds degress from Belmont College and New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary and lives with his wife in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.

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Dr. Richard Blackaby is the president of Blackaby Ministries International (www.blackaby.org) where he works with his father Henry. He is an author and a popular international speaker. Richard is married to Lisa and they have three amazing children: Mike, Daniel, and Carrie. Richard has a Ph.D. in history. He loves reading biographies and hockey. He works with leaders in the home, church, and business community, helping them develop their leadership to higher levels. Richard also co-authored the revision of "Experiencing God" and speaks often in churches and to Christian organizations. You can follow Richard on Twitter @richardblackaby as well as on Facebook at www.facebook.com/drrichardblackaby and read his blogs at www.richardblackaby.com Richard has written or co-authored over 30 books, including "Living Out of the Overflow," "The Seasons of God," "Unlimiting God," and "Putting a Face on Grace."

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Jeremy Manuel
3.0 out of 5 stars Useful Principles, but a Mixed End Product
Reviewed in the United States on August 1, 2019
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Experiencing God is considered a modern Christian classic. 
Despite this, my thoughts on the book are mixed.

The point of the book is to find ways to experience God. In particular to see where God is working, and to be involved in His work. Overall, I thought that the principles that Blackaby presents for doing this are pretty solid. Nothing comes to mind that made me really wary when came down to his basic principles of how to experience God.

There were two things that I did dislike about the book though. 

First, it suffers from appearing to be a bit prideful. I don't know Henry Blackaby so I have no idea what he is really like, but the writing style of the book just smacks of arrogance sometimes. Even in trying to be humble at one point he says that God had to look high and low for someone as ordinary as me.
If you say that you looked high and low for something, you are emphasizing that you looked for it in every place that you could think of. [emphasis].

Not to mention constantly referring to some conference where he tells how somebody's life was changed by reading his book. Not that it isn't good to have testimonials, but the frequency of such examples, with few examples that don't involve the book or Blackaby himself, started to rub me the wrong way.

The second problem I had with the book, was that it gave a lopsided view of how God may speak to you. Many of Blackaby's examples are amazing. It is about how he and his wife were called to Canada to pastor a small church and all the amazing things that were done there or how people were called to serve God in amazing circumstances and amazing outcomes. These examples naturally led me to ask is this how God speaks to everybody? 

What about God speaking to people in the everyday, in our communities, in things that are not "full-time ministry." I think there has to be balance here; we need to be challenged that we are not just settling for the comfort we have where we are, but I do not believe that God calls everyone the same way. We are not all meant to be Paul or Moses at least in terms of our accomplishments. So while I thought it was solid on its principles, the tone of the book and the examples it gave slightly diminished its value in my eyes.
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Lisa S.
5.0 out of 5 stars Want to know the REAL score?
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  • Henry Blackaby's study would help a lot of churches understand why people are leaving the church in droves. 
  • He teaches you that God wants a personal relationship with YOU....yes, YOU...not about how much stuff you can do for God, or how to do yet another 'business seminar' on how to fill the 'pews 'n plates'.....
  • He teaches you that your 'JOB' is to know God, and how much He wants to know about YOU
  • Then your eyes are opened, and you can see where God is working and you go and join Him in HIS work....NOT the other way around....If I could, 
  • I would give it 10 stars!
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Lee Delbridge
5.0 out of 5 stars Great Book!
Reviewed in the United States on December 9, 2016
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I worked through the Experiencing God Workbook several years ago and I am reading this book as a review. It contains a lot of great ideas. I still wrestle with one of his main ideas that differs from my idea. Blackaby says you should search for where God is working and join Him. After you join Him, He will "gift" (equip) you to do the job. I have always felt you should discover your "giftedness" and then search for an area where you can use that giftedness. While I still think my understanding of the process is the right one I will readily admit that Blackaby and his followers are much more successful than I am. It is a great book. It contains a 7 step process of experiencing God in your life and secondarily in your work for Him. He says your relationship with God is more important than your work for God. The work you do for God is an outcome of your relationship with God. I would recommend it to any person seeking to know God and/or know God better.
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Steve
5.0 out of 5 stars Experiencing God is a must-read for Christians
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This book has the key concept of knowing and doing God's will. First, you wait on the Lord, seeking to do His will. If you hear nothing regarding your request, do nothing except for what you already know God wants you to do. If God confirms, proceed with caution. When God continues to confirm, you will be greatly blessed for watching and waiting on the Lord and then experiencing God doing great works through you.

There are two major methods Christians serve God: (1) Wait on the Lord for confirmation, then proceed or (2) proceed, asking God to stop you if it is not His will (a.k.a. asking God to bless your plans). Many have made the mistake of using method #2, whether on their own initiative or bad advice from others. Others have been blessed by using method #1. I have experienced both and realize the need to seek out God's will by watching to see what God is doing around me. Henry Blackaby does a good job of breaking it down to 7 principals or steps.

This book is good for many types of readers. You can read only one chapter, all the chapters or some number in between. You can skim parts of however many chapters you want. Many good insights in this book. Sometimes God does call you to do something outside of your primary gifts.

May the Lord bless you as you grow in knowing and doing the will of God.
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James Collins
5.0 out of 5 stars A Classic That Everyone Should Read
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"Experiencing God" is the definitive work on understanding God’s will for your life. Blackaby’s work is biblically based and sound. You can hear God speak through His presence in our lives; though His Word; through prayer; through circumstance; and through people. He asserts that before you can know God’s will, you must know God. Once you have that relationship, you will be more discerning to God’s voice. Blackaby coins the phrase, “come along side of God where He is already working” to encourage someone to join God in His activities. Everyone should read this book.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Read This One Three Times!
Reviewed in the United States on May 2, 2022
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I've read this book three times and now it has so many highlights that I probably need a new copy. Each chapter is a wealth of information for how to hear from God, know his will, and confirm what he is calling you to do. This book emphases the importance of faith and how we must see with our spiritual eyes, not our natural eyes.
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Gori Olusina Daniel
5.0 out of 5 stars Must read for everyone who wants to live a meaning-filled life
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 19, 2016
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Everyone who wants to live a meaning-filled life should read this book. The author's pack over 50 years experience of ministry into what I can only describe as a mentoring course on how to live as God intended.

It is not filled with religious dogma, and even though it is written by Christian ministers and references biblical christian theology, it should appeal to all who are curious about discovering and pursuing God's guidance for their lives.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Experiencing God: Knowing and Doing the Will of God
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Really great book, not just a good read but something to work through. I have purchased another one as a gift and recommended it to others.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent Book
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Jun 07, 2011Pamela Tucker rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: All Christians who have Salvation
Recommended to Pamela by: My Bible Studies Group

I had no God previously since 1976; and I was introduced to Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism that came in after Gautama Siddhartha Buddhism which came down from the Primal Buddhism which there are no ancient writings just artifacts. My friend and I had trained during electronics in the making of pc boards, she was Japanese and we became friends and she introduced me to the Lotus Sutra. The Major Writings of Nichiren Daishonin Plus writings of Daisaku Ikeda. There is no god in Nichiren Shoshu. They held to a monistic view believing that there is no separation between Creator and Creature but being protected by Buddhist, Hindu, and Shinto gods regarded as spiritual forces. The main chanting of mantra was enlightenment, propsperty, and healing from chanting nam-myoho-renge-kyo expressing devotion to the law of karma. Fulfilling worldly desires that brings enlightenment, which can be achieved in a life time.
This was founded by Soka Gakkai in 1930 by Tsunesaburo Makiguchi (1871-1944. Not the same as Ancient Buddha which they only found artifacts of a Buddha sitting yoga style.
Well the Lord had other plans for me my neighbors were Christians and they had a friend that played guitar it was the guitar that attracted me to church. I thought that is what they meant by church. So I attended and received salvation and lost my roommate. Was blessed with a good job, and gained prosperity in Spiritual things of God. I had spiritual encounters a few times before the Japanese roommates, but did not know how to seek God properly.
I recommend this to all new born again Christians that need to develop a strong love and relationship with God. The author and I have many things in common except I do not have the Church religion background.
I stepped out in faith, and I have the same fundamental experiences when face to face with God in my life with God...spiritually speaking. It is a must read book and their is scriptures and it is only for those who want to become wealthy spiritually instead of worldly wise. (less)

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May 06, 2012Jeremy Manuel rated it liked it
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Experiencing God is considered a modern Christian classic. Despite this, my thoughts on the book are mixed.

The point of the book is to find ways to experience God. In particular to see where God is working, and to be involved in His work. Overall, I thought that the principles that Blackaby presents for doing this are pretty solid. Nothing comes to mind that made me really wary when it came down to his basic principles of how to experience God.

There were two things that I did dislike about the book though. First, it suffers from appearing to be a bit prideful. I don't know Henry Blackaby so I have no idea what he is really like, but the writing style of the book just smacks of arrogance sometimes. Even in trying to be humble at one point he says that God had to look high and low for someone as ordinary as me. Not to mention constantly referring to some conference where he tells how somebody's life was changed by reading his book. Not that it isn't good to have testimonials, but the frequency of such examples, with few examples that don't involve the book or Blackaby himself, started to rub me the wrong way.

The second problem I had with the book, was that it gave a lopsided view of how God may speak to you. Many of Blackaby's examples are amazing. It is about how he and his wife were called to Canada to pastor a small church and all the amazing things that were done there or how people were called to serve God in amazing circumstances and amazing outcomes. These examples naturally led me to ask is this how God speaks to everybody? What about God speaking to people in the everyday, in our communities, in things that are not "full-time ministry." I think there has to be balance here; we need to be challenged that we are not just settling for the comfort we have where we are, but I do not believe that God calls everyone the same way. We are not all meant to be Paul or Moses at least in terms of our accomplishments. So while I thought it was solid on its principles, the tone of the book and the examples it gave slightly diminished its value in my eyes. (less)

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May 19, 2009Steven rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Anyone who wants to hear God's voice.
Shelves: read-more-than-once, favorites
When I read this the first time I was so excited to find someone who believed exactly as I did about the way God speaks to His people. Of course, Blackaby provides a tremendous amount of scriptural support for his position, so that was also very helpful. His view remains unusual, though no longer unique.

Where some might say, "Don't just stand there, do something," Blackaby answers "Don't just do something, STAND THERE." Be still and wait on the Lord. He will lead you (provided you are doing the other things in the book...)

Where others say, "the Lord helps those who help themselves," Blackaby answers that God often does nothing until His people can "cease striving" and rest in Him.

I have never read a better explanation for the way God speaks, including how to know His voice, and the various media through which he speaks (whether scripture, other Christians, circumstances, or the Church). This is an excellent book and I cannot recommend it too highly.

I'm glad they made a 'book' version. The workbook is probably better because it is so engaging. But so many people will not buy or really use a workbook, so the book version will reach a lot of people. (less)
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Apr 22, 2013Shane Gliser rated it it was ok
A concerned Christian's review: Nobel intentions but with more theological holes than you can shake a cross at. For example the very thesis verse is taken out of context and thus flawed. To hear the flaw in theology, you can listen to Stand to Reason's podcast episode from 04/21/2013 ( http://www.strcast2.org/podcast/weekl...) and listen to the segment from 1:03:00 to 1:18:30.

This is not to say that it is without value. It is good at getting people into the word and getting people used to the idea of seeking God on individual level. In that regard, it's great. However, due to the flawed theological premise, it could lead to long-term disillusionment, frustration, and unfounded fear and doubt for believers who have been told through the book that if they're not hearing from God that there is something wrong with their Christian walk.

For a far better guide to good Christian living that can be used as a study, I would recommend Decision Making and the Will of God by Garry Friesen. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56... (less)
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Jan 09, 2012Maya rated it really liked it
We read this book with our Bible study group and it was a good one to dive into with others to discuss. Blackaby covers all the different ways we can experience God and how important it is to pay attention to each of these. The overall theme of the book is to pay attention to how God could be working around you and how He wants you to be part of that. Instead of asking in prayer all the things you want, ask Him what He wants for your life, what you should jump into and for guidance.

The book discusses different ways that God can speak to his people and how each of us can experience Him as couples, in our children's lives, in the church, marketplace, and His kingdom. I will admit that at times I felt like there was story after story about Blackaby at a conference and how someone's life was changed by something he said. But if you can get past some of that there is good ideas to grasp onto and new ways to look at convening with God.

Blackaby does a wonderful job at making sure the reader understands that this whole following God thing is not easy and that you will run into hardship and obstacles as you try to follow His will for your life. I wish he would have gone into this a little more but he does an overall good job of covering it.

Best Parts:
-I always view my circumstances against the backdrop of the cross, where God clearly demonstrated once and for all His deep love for me.

-When you trust that God always gives His best, you will devote your heart to whatever assignment God gives because you know in that role you can experience everything God has in His heart for you.

-God wants a watching world to come to know who He truly is. He does not call you to get involved in His activity merely so people can see what you can do. He will call you to an assignment that you cannot accomplish apart from His divine intervention. God's assignments have God-sized dimensions.

-If you're focused on self, you'll always seek to protect yourself and pursue what is most comfortable and what most builds you up. ...But if you are God-centered, your focus remains on Him alone. Storms may rage around you, but as long as you have God in your sight, you'll stay the course.

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Jul 07, 2018Laura rated it did not like it
Henry Blackaby cares a lot about God’s kingdom and about people. He wants people to experience true life-changing faith and that’s a wonderful impulse. But, he makes some logical flaws that could end up being detrimental to people’s faith. Blackaby promises that believers today can hear the voice of God the way people did throughout the Bible, ex. Joseph, Moses, Daniel, Paul. And God will give specific instructions to each of us. Blackaby does not account for believers today having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which was not the case in the Old Testament, or believers today having the entirety of God’s inspired Word (the Bible). Hebrews 1:1 clearly teaches that God does not speak to people today the way He did in the past. Also, if tuning our hearts to listen to for specific instructions from the Holy Spirit was essential to being a good Christian as Blackaby says, you’d think the epistles from Romans to Jude would spend significant time telling people how to do it. But, I can’t find any such instructions. Instead the epistles are full of exhortations to follow the commands of Christ which are clearly known to anyone who has access to the written Gospels.

Blackaby says that, just like in the Old Testament, when God speaks today we will clearly know it is God. This will be because we have such a deep relationship with God. I fear that as people do not clearly hear God’s voice to them, they will become depressed thinking it is their own fault because they are not devoted enough.
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Feb 14, 2013Louis Lapides rated it did not like it · review of another edition
This book is filled with both good and bad theology. Unfortunately the bad theology is enough to cause the reader to be misled by the major theme of the book: how to find God's will? 
Blackaby bases his entire theological foundation on the misinterpretation and poor application of several passages in the fifth chapter of the Gospel of John. 
This makes the entire book built on a faulty interpretation of an important passage that is about the trinitarian nature of God and not about how the Christian finds God's will. 

Most Christians will not agree with my take on this book because Blackaby's work is so popular and so many Christians have gone through an "Experiencing God" seminar. 
How can such a popular book be so wrong?

My advice concerning this book is to Google "critiquing Experiencing God Henry Blackaby" and read what other apologists have said about the false information contained in Blackaby's book. (less)
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Feb 27, 2017Jackie rated it it was ok
I have tried numerous times to get through this workbook, and I have just been unable to. I find myself skimming the pages just to hurry and finish the days worth of information. I'm unable to put my finger on WHY. 

In most (although not all) instances I don't really disagree with what Blackaby is saying. Yet, I just can't get anything out of the study. 
No joy, no insight, no pull or enlightenment. Unfortunately, I've found completing it more of a chore than I desire. 
Perhaps, it's just the workbook form that I dislike. Maybe I'll pick it back up and love it at some time in the future. (less)
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Oct 16, 2013David Brown rated it liked it
As I participated in a group study on Henry Blackaby’s book: Experiencing God, I not only discovered some great insights (like the value of focusing on being Christ-centered verses self-centered, the power of the Holy Spirit, and the importance of fellowship, prayer, and God’s Word), but I have also found some areas of concern in the author’s methodology and philosophy. It may seem like semantics, but men cannot do God’s work, only God can do God’s work. More importantly, only by following Christ as our example can we please God, and I believe that the only way to know how to be like Him is through careful (and prayerful) Bible study.

Unfortunately, several of the author’s extra-biblical personal examples suggest that unless your goal or task is truly God-sized, it may not be what God wants you to be doing. Preposterous! Furthermore, I got the impression that Blackaby unequivocally believes that he indeed knew (and consistently knows) the will of God. Surely anyone can look back at a situation or an event and infer that God had a hand in the results (especially events that could be classed as miraculous), but to declare that you can accurately predict what is (or is not) God’s will is the height of presumption.

Even more bombastic was Blackaby’s statement that, “If you have trouble hearing God speak, you are in trouble at the very heart of your Christian experience.” [1] Although obviously Scripture is quoted in each and every chapter, it reads like there is far more to a true relationship with God than reading and applying His Word in every aspect of your life; it implies that God speaks directly to us outside of His Word. This almost charismatic “sensing” or “feeling” of God’s will borders on mysticism which requires pure emotion rather than thoughtful biblical precision. To me, this approach is a far less reliable method of discerning God’s truth. Blackaby’s assertion that “Truth is a person” (Jesus) is a nice slogan, but it overly simplifies an answer to Pilate’s rhetorical question, “What is truth?” (John 18:38)

Luckily, I happened to have another book that I was reading in parallel with this study, which provided an unexpected balance. It was simply a book of President Abraham Lincoln’s quotes and famous speeches. In it I found that Lincoln wrote, “I do not boast that God is on my side, I humbly pray that I am on God's side.” [2] Did honest Abe presume to know that he was doing the will of God? By no means! He simply hoped that his actions were in line with what he knew from his studies of Scripture. And did he know the Bible? Indeed he did!

Years before his renowned political career, in a tiny one-room schoolhouse in Indiana, each student in turn regularly read from a single classroom Bible. Lincoln had read and listened to God’s Word in its entirety even before his own family could afford to buy a Bible of their own. Throughout his life he often quoted from this “Great Book” in his discussions, debates, letters, and speeches.

What was Lincoln’s view of the Bible’s role in his own philosophy and how he conducted his life? Read the words he spoke to a delegation of black Americans who had presented the President with a Bible in 1864. “So far as able, within my sphere, I have always acted as I believed to be right and just; and I have done all I could for the good of mankind generally. In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong.” [2]

This, I think, brings the focus back on to where it should be…the Bible. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.” (Isaiah 55:8) Was it God’s will that the Union should win that terrible War Between the States? Could not His will have still been done if the outcome had been reversed? In this case, would a Union defeat have meant that Lincoln was not on God’s side? Maybe someday we might know the answer to these questions, but I would conjecture that a defeat would not have changed Lincoln’s convictions. I believe that God can work his will in many ways, both through positive experiences and even through negative experiences resulting from the travesty of our human condition.

Do we really require extra-biblical messages from God in order to know the Truth? Definitely not, and I hope to live my life like historian Wayne Temple wrote regarding President Lincoln, “The longer Lincoln lived, the closer he felt to God and the more he relied upon God for sustenance.” [3]

References:
[1] Henry Blackaby, Richard Blackaby, and Claude King, Authors, Experiencing God: Knowing and Doing the Will of God.
[2] Gordon Leidner, Editor, Abraham Lincoln: Quotes, Quips, and Speeches.
[3] Wayne Temple, Author, Abraham Lincoln: From Skeptic to Prophet. (less)
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Oct 01, 2011Charles Erlandson rated it liked it
Can Lead Christians to Experience God But Can Also Lead Them Astray

“Experiencing God” by Henry Blackaby and Claude King (and now also Richard Blackaby) seems to be a book for which reviewers find no middle ground. Almost all of the reviewers on Amazon give the book 5 stars (with one 4 star book) and one 1 star review. I find that the book has the potential to lead many to a deeper, more meaningful experience with God but also has the potential to lead many into false views of how God works with His people today.

For my complete review, see http://www.giveusthisdaydevotional.co...
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Oct 11, 2010Laura rated it it was amazing
This is a GREAT Study. It is very intense and hard core. It will literaly grip you and make you want to put it down because there is no way to get through it without being changed by it.
If you are seriously committed to hearing what God wants you to do or what He is trying to tell you, then I highly recommend it. If you are struggling with your committment, i still recommend it, but you will be faced abbruptly with "His Will". (less)
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Jan 17, 2021Esinat Ba rated it really liked it
Shelves: wisdom, nonfiction, theology, spirituality
If you are looking for a good, though provoking Theological studies, this is the book to go for.
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Feb 19, 2022Beverly rated it really liked it
Good study! We did this as a Sunday School class and did help me think through some things the Lord was speaking to me about. Also, it helped me to evaluate how deep or shallow my relationship with the Lord has been at times and how it is now.
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Jun 23, 2017Chris rated it it was ok
Recommends it for: Mature, discerning Christians
When I say that I am a Christian, I don't mean that I just believe in God, and go to church. I mean, I am a Bible believing, Gospel teaching, praying, hands up worshiping, church going, holy spirit filled, child of the King, Jesus praising, woman of God who has gained much wisdom - saved by God's grace - and humblingly receiving mercy on a continual basis for I am a sinful human being.

Having said that, what I got from Experiencing God Bible Study, is we don't matter one iota to God except that we bring others to Christ through our works. If you go through spiritual boot camp in your life as a Christian, suffering, growing pains, lots of valleys, very few mountain tops, etc. it's because He is preparing you to do His work. That's all that matters. If you are disobedient, and don't do what he tells you to, he will use someone else to get the job done and then take everything away from you, never talk to you again, and basically throw you away.
If God heals you, or blesses you in any way - it's only because He wants you to do some kind of big God-sized work. If you don't, you are useless.
I'm not saying this is what the Bible says. I'm saying this is what I personally understood from this bible study.

Also, he is inconsistent in his teachings. Especially in explaining how we hear from God (via the Holy Spirit). Which is a whole other rant I won't get into.

See, I gave my life to the Lord in 1996. Near the beginning of the Millennium, I remember seeing on TBN, advertisements for a new approach for churches to grow. How they could follow a proven business plan, and it will make them rich. This is when the emergent church as we know it today, all started. Then, you have some new-age teachings that have crept into the church as well.
For anyone who has spent the bulk of their lives as a Christian the past 2 decades, has been taught a slant on the Bible that teaches what God can do for us - not what we can do for God.
The good news about this Bible study, is it offers a needed balance.
The bad news is, it goes way overboard.

The examples at the beginning of each chapter show how the "formula"(which he denies is a formula) he teaches, brings about a good work of God. And are mostly about planting churches. This is excellent. But, back up and read how it all started. Someone gets an idea or a feeling that God wants to do a work. But does he teach that is how we hear from God? Yes and no. It's not very clear because he contradicts himself.

In one part, they shared the miraculous healing of their daughter from cancer. I wrote this along the side of the page: These people are so single mindedly focused on dedicating their lives to seeing how God wants to work through them - they seem to be more happy about how God used that to increase the faith of those who were praying, then they were about their daughter being healed.

Being a Christian is no easy walk. But, if I were a baby Christian and did not have discernment - this book would be a thorny weed of impossible doom to choke out any hope. (less)
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Jul 15, 2007Crystal rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Christians seeking to deepen their relationship with God
Shelves: christian
This was a wonderful devotional--the best I've ever used. Henry Blackaby skillfully guides you through selected Scriptures and reflection questions to a deeper understanding of God, His word, and your faith in Him. I read this a long time ago--I actually want to get another copy of the workbook now, years later, and go through it all over again. Who can't use a little help with their spiritual walk? (less)
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May 24, 2017Autumn Slaght rated it really liked it · review of another edition
Recommends it for: Anyone who wants a deeper relationship with Christ, or who is seeking what He desires from them.
Recommended to Autumn by: My pastor.
"Most Bible studies help people. This one changes lives forever."
I'd have to agree. This workbook right here is one of the most life-changing experiences of my young adult life so far.
Myself and a small group from my Bible study decided to start this Bible study in November, 2016. We broke each unit up into two weeks. This study really opened my eyes to what the Lord desires from me. Not from my entire life as much as from day to day.
This book list seven things to go with the study beginning with how God is always at work around us, how He desires a love relationship with us that is real and personal, how important and crucial it is to the Christian walk to obey Him.
I didn't agree with everything in this book. The author spoke about making a covenant relationship with church members and also had one or two statements that I didn't quite agree with. However, the majority of it I did.
If you ever decide to read this amazing study, I strongly encourage that you do! However, it will have an impact on you. Henry and Richard Blackaby and Claude King don't really use nice little watered down words...they're straight to the point. Are you willing to surrender all to God? Absolutely? If the Lord called you home this very second, could you stand before Him and truly say, "I love You with all my heart?" How would you rate your walk with God? Oh, yes, these were all tough questions. But I encourage you...this study is so worth it. Coming away from it, I can honestly say that I feel like I have a deeper relationship with God and not only that, but I have gained a whole new perspective on Him as my Lord and Sovereign King. This study really helped me recognize His activity where He was working somewhere near me and, as it says so often in the pages, to join Him. (less)
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Jan 16, 2019Sydneyann Chase rated it it was amazing
God's timing is so good in having me read this book right now. I'm facing a decision right now, and this book talks a lot about discerning God's will and the importance of a love relationship with him. One of the quotes I really enjoyed was, "Truth is revealed, not discovered." I highly recommend this book to anyone interested in experiencing God in their lives. (less)
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Oct 27, 2021Meagan rated it it was ok
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This ended up being a DNF for me. I just couldn't get into the writing style; also, reading other reviews gave additional insight into book contents that gave me pause on continuing further. I sure appreciate that insight! (less)
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May 02, 2019Amy Cummings rated it it was amazing
I give it a 5 because of the importance of it's driving points and consistency in delivering them. While a great testimony, some of the examples of God working in their lives seemed a little unrelatable. (less)
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Jun 11, 2022Sue Allen rated it it was amazing
This one really challenged me to think of whether I am obedient to God.
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Nov 05, 2018Trevor Winsor rated it really liked it
Concepts in this book have reshaped my thinking on spiritual gifts, God’s direction in my life, and how I hear from Him. Highly recommend this book for any follower of Christ.
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Feb 20, 2018Christen rated it liked it
I agree with Blackaby's general premises, that we need to do a better job of listening to God through prayer and reading. However, it seems like he draws some conclusions that don't always follow. While God does often give us areas of progressive responsibility, we are not always the best at determining which are the actual areas of greater responsibility. He seems to give the impression that only if we move into international business, large evangelism campaigns and full time paid ministry are we really following God. I don't read that in the Bible as being true. I don't think that shaming a pastor in front of his congregation by telling him that he's hiding God's work is appropriate. I disagree that taking a teaching position is "the world's way" instead of "God's way". I disagree that we can make the conclusion that facing challenges in life is evidence that we are out of step with God. It is likely that Blackaby has experienced God differently from the way I have and many others I have observed have. Not a terrible book, but I would read carefully if you're a more "regular Christian" instead of one raised in the church by pastors who became a pastor and whose children and grandchildren are pastors. (less)
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Jan 09, 2017Jasmine Shadows rated it it was amazing
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This is an excellent in depth study. There were a few things that I did not agree with, but I would expect that from any study. I felt that this was a down to brass tacks; no pulling punches, down where the rubber meets the road study. It is deeply personal and is truly about showing you what an intimate and personal relationship with God really looks like. I enjoyed so many of the personal testimonies and enjoyed the honest and open testimonies that they gave. Yes I would recommend this study to anyone looking for a study that points them to a deep and personal relationship with God. Just be prepared for conviction and a more honest look at yourself and your relationship with our great God. (less)
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Mar 18, 2013Keith rated it it was amazing
Other than the Bible itself, which always always always has primacy as God's word to humanity, this book has helped me the most in connecting with God in an intimate and personal relationship. God's plan and purpose to be a personal God and friend to each and everyone is clearly expressed in the Bible, but Blackaby has done a wonderful job of making contemporary applications to help people find that connection. Also he has given a wonderful rule of thumb for that relationship: Find where God is at work and join him there. Highly Recommended. (less)
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Mar 19, 2011Karen Fonville rated it it was amazing
Life Changing. Words cannot describe how this workbook and the 12 week Bible study have impacted my life, and the lives of the people I studied it with. It takes commitment to get the true benefit, but is well worth the effort. This is the type of study that must be lived and digested for awhile. There are levels to experiencing God, so you can definitely gain by repeating the study. I will do this again.
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May 18, 2012Valerie Van Moorsel added it
this is an excellent study i highly recommend it for everybody to take, for those who are seeking God's plan for their life challenges you to look at changing insight, practices that we are so used to in our comfort zones. this book study challenges us to get out of that comfort zone and go out and serve God where He needs us instead of of us coming up with a plan and asking God to bless what we think we should do for Him. (less)
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Mar 10, 2016Rick Sam rated it liked it
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This is a great book, I would recommend this to all Christians. The most important part of the Christian walk is, "love relationship." God has a plan, purpose, ways for everyone, in fact, we must join him. It is his world, not mine, so I am merely a vehicle. Often times, I become selfish and say, What should I do, rather, What God wants me to do?

Currently, Psalm 38:4 is on my heart, For my sins have flooded over my head;
they are a burden too heavy for me to bear.

Deus Vult,
Gottfried
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Jun 15, 2009Emily rated it really liked it
I never know if I should list things like this.. but I am because it was really huge. This was done in a time in which I had to think of God as huge in order to have hope. I loved reading story after story about how people's faith determined the magnitude of what God was able to do in their lives.

Unfortunately, the last few weeks lost me, but the rest were pretty amazing. (less)
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Jan 12, 2016Brian rated it it was amazing
Five stars, times 2. I read this as part of a study group in my church, and it truly had a great impact on my life. The author was so right, I really experienced God in ways that I hadn't before while reading this book. It really helped me in my walk with God. I recommend it for everyone who desires to walk closer with God. (less)