2019/04/16

이찬수: 다르지만 조화한다 : 불교와 기독교의 내통 - 두 세계를 동시에 살아가기 2015

알라딘: 다르지만 조화한다 : 불교와 기독교의 내통 - 두 세계를 동시에 살아가기

다르지만 조화한다 : 불교와 기독교의 내통 - 두 세계를 동시에 살아가기
 
이찬수 (지은이)
모시는사람들2015-08-31







320쪽
책소개
기독교 신학자, 목회자이면서 화엄철학과 선불교를 공부한 저자가 불교와 기독교를 비교하며 내면에서 상통하는 종교적 본질을 밝힌 책. 불교적 언어가 불자에게 주는 의미와 기독교적 언어가 기독교인에게 주는 의미의 정도가 다르지 않음을 말하면서 서로를 통해 자신에게 더 깊어지는 종교 공부와 수행을 이끌어 내고, 신앙의 거룩함을 일깨운다.

불교와 기독교가 표면상 외형상 전혀 다른 종교임에도 불구하고 심층에서 서로 통하는 면이 더 크고 깊다는 사실을 해명한다. 기독교가 절대유의 차원에 서 있다면 불교는 절대무의 차원에 서 있으나, 절대는 절대로 통하는 법이다. 불교와 기독교의 종착점은 결국 동등한 체험의 깊이를 나타내며, 붓다와 예수가 말하고자 했던 세계도 결국 동등하다는 것이다.


목차


1부_ 깨달음의 길에 서다
01 인연에 따르다 : 불교의 인간론
02 믿음과 용기, 그리고 깨달음 : 지눌의 신심론과 틸리히의 신앙론

2부_ 불교와 기독교 서로 만나다
03 법신불 일원상과 범재신론 : 원불교의 일원주의와 세계주의
04 모두 절대무 안에 있다 : 니시다의 철학과 기독교
05 창조적 만남과 궁극적 일치 : 길희성과 타나베의 신학과 철학
06 두 종교를 동시에 살아가다 : 불교적 그리스도인 니터의 고백
07 신학을 불교화하다 : 야기의 불교적 신학
08 불교를 수용하며, 신학을 변호하다 : 발덴펠스의 자기 비움의 신학

3부_ 두 세계를 다시 보다
09 종교는 해석이다 : 스힐레벡스의 신학적 해석학: 모든 종교는 해석이다
10 오늘 우리의 구원과 해탈 : 어느 불교적 신학자의 구원관
11 비종교적인 그러나 종교적인 : 비종교인 리영희가 보는 기독교와 불교
12 90점 불교와 70점 기독교 : 두 종교에 대한 애정어린 요청과 희망


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저자 및 역자소개
이찬수 (지은이)
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최고의 작품 투표
신간알림 신청

서강대학교 화학과를 졸업하고 같은 대학교 대학원 종교학과에서 불교학과 신학으로 각각 석사학위를, 칼 라너(Karl Rahner)와 니시타니 게이지(西谷啓治)를 비교하여 박사학위를 받았다. 강남대학교 교수, (일본)WCRP평화연구소 객원연구원, 대화문화아카데미 연구위원 등을 지냈고, 종교철학에 기반한 평화인문학의 심화와 확장을 연구 과제로 삼고 있다. 

저서로 
『평화와 평화들: 평화다원주의와 평화인문학』, 
『다르지만 조화한다, 불교와 기독교의 내통』, 
『사람이 사람을 심판할 수 있는가: 사형폐지론과 회복적 정의』(공역),
 『아시아평화공동체』가 있고, 

논문으로는 
“베트남공화국의 몰락: 지엠 정권의 식민지적 민족주의, 서구적 종교편향, 하향적 반공주의를 중심으로”, 
“平和はどのように構\築されるか: 減暴\力と平和構\築”, 
“Disaster: The Otherization of Nature, the Reification of Human Beings, and the Sinking of MV of Sewol”, 
“祭祀の政治學 II:明治時代の國家神道と公私觀” 

등이 있다.
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최근작 : <한국인의 평화사상 2>,<한국인의 평화사상 1>,<인간은 신의 암호> … 총 47종 (모두보기)


출판사 제공 책소개

기독교 신학자, 목회자이면서
 화엄철학과 선(禪)불교를 공부한 저자가 
불교와 기독교를 비교하며 내면에서 상통하는 종교적 본질을 밝힌 책이다. 
이 책은 불교적 언어가 불자에게 주는 의미와 
기독교적 언어가 기독교인에게 주는  의미의 정도가 다르지 않음을 말하면서 
서로를 통해 자신에게 더 깊어지는 종교 공부와 수행을 이끌어 내고, 
그리고 신앙의 거룩함을 일깨운다.

■ 출판사 서평

깨달음에서 서로를 경유하여 다시 자신에게로
이 책은 ‘세계적 차원의 종교들이 균질적인 세력을 형성하면서도 대립과 조화 사이를 오가는 기이한 종교 왕국’인 한국에서 태어난 한 신학자의 자기 고백과 그에 관한 부연이다; “나는 한 사람의 그리스도인으로 출발했다. 나는 나 자신이 한국인임을 발견했다. 그리고 나는 한 사람의 그리스도인임을 그만두지 않은 채 한 사람의 불자가 되어서 돌아왔다.” 인도의 신학자 파니카의 말을 빌려 표현한 대로 불교와 기독교가 궁극적 차원에서는 만나리라는 기대를 가지고 저자는 신학적으로나 실천적으로 소통하는 노력을 기울여 왔다. 그 과정에서 고립되고 배척당하는 고난을 겪기도 했으나 그의 신학 역정과 신앙 모색은 멈추질 않았다.

다르지만 조화한다, 불교와 기독교의 심층

이 책은 불교와 기독교가 표면상 외형상 전혀 다른 종교임에도 불구하고 심층에서 서로 통하는 면이 더 크고 깊다는 사실을 해명한다. 불교와 기독교의 종착점, 가령 공(空)과 하느님, 열반과 하느님 나라, 그리스도와 보살, 기도와 염불 등은 결국 동등한 체험의 깊이를 나타내며, 붓다와 예수가 말하고자 했던 세계도 결국 동등하다는 것이다. ‘다르지만 조화한다’라는 말은 “군자는 상대와 조화하면서 차이도 인정한다(君子和而不同)”는 공자의 말씀을 염두에 둔 것으로, 언어와 관념을 넘어서는 근원의 세계, 궁극의 세계를 이야기한다. 기독교가 절대유의 차원에 서 있다면, 불교는 절대무의 차원에 서 있으나, 절대는 절대로 통하는 법이다.

불교적 그리스도인, 폴 니터의 불교
저자는 두 종교 사이를 넘나들며 스스로를 완성시키는 신학자로 미국의 신학자 폴 니터(Paul F. Knitter, 1939- )를 예로 든다. 니터 또한 불교를 창조적으로 소화해낸 대표적 신학자이다. 니터는 신학자로서 불교 언어를 치열하게 소화해, 신학적 양심에 솔직하게 녹여내어 고백하는 데에 독보적인 성취를 이루었다. 저자는 태생이 기독교인이고 일급 신학자이지만, 두 종교를 단순 병렬식으로가 아니라, 하나로 녹여내 살아가는 것이 가능하다는 것을 웅변적이고 체험적으로 보여준 니터를 종교다원주의 신학자이자 불교학자라고 명명한다. 그 밖에도 원불교 사상과 기독교, 쿄토학파와 기독교, 한국의 길희성과 타나베 비교 등을 통해서도 이점을 구명한다.

90점의 불교와 70점의 기독교
저자는 종교의 깊이와 넓이를 수치화해서 불교가 90%쯤 완성된 종교라면, 기독교는 70%쯤 완성된 종교라고 말한다. 그럼에도 불구하고, 이러한 세속적 수치를 넘어서서 불교가 정말로 깊고 넓다면 ‘밖’의 것을 소화해 받아들이는 태도를 좀더 확연히 보여주어야 한다고 강조한다. 그런데 밖을 받아들이려면 관심을 갖고 공부해야 한다. 그런 점에서 불교는 모자라는 30%를 채우려는 기독교인의 노력 이상으로 공부를 심화하여 부족한 10%를 채워야 한다. 기독교는 더 말할 것도 없다. 그러다 보면, 종국에는 딱히 ‘성인이랄 것도 따로 없는 확연무성(廓然無聖)의 진리’를 공


Climate Change and the Ten Warning Signs for Cults « Aletho News

Climate Change and the Ten Warning Signs for Cults « Aletho News



Climate Change and the Ten Warning Signs for Cults

By Will | Medium | February 23, 2019
Have you thought to yourself that the Climate Change movement seems more and more like a religious movement?
I have, so I researched how to identify a religious cult. Rick Ross, an expert on cults and intervention specialist, developed a list of ten warning signs for unsafe groups, which is published by the Cult Education Institute. So let’s take a look at all ten signs and compare:
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
The leading advocates of the Climate Change movement are politicians, entertainers, and even children. Climate preachers such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio lack any formal scientific training whatsoever, and live personal lives of unparalleled luxury while prescribing carbon austerity for the masses. Yet no one is permitted to point out their scientific ignorance or call attention to their hypocritical lifestyles.
Child advocates such as Greta Thuneberg and the crudely indoctrinated children of the “Sunrise movement” are essentially sock puppets for their shameless activist handlers. Refuse to bend the knee to these tiny fascists, as Diane Feinstein most recently did, and the mainstream left will relentlessly attack you as an accessory to mass murder.
The authority of Climate Change leaders is entirely unmerited and absolute, yet no one is permitted to hold them accountable for their ignorance, inexperience, or brazen lies. Thus, the Climate Change movement clearly meets the first warning sign for unsafe groups.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
The conclusions of the Climate Change movement may not be challenged or questioned under any circumstances. Those who dare scrutinize the conclusions, methodology, or prescriptions of “climate scientists” are categorically dismissed as a “Climate Denier”, an excommunicated untouchable whose opinion is no longer valid on any subject.
Questions and critical inquiry aren’t merely dismissed or refuted. The unfortunate heretic immediately experiences a relentless ad hominem onslaught of scorn and hatred from the political and media left, and is often subjected to accusations of outright murder. Simply question the effectiveness of a “carbon tax” and you may find yourself tied to a stake.
There is no tolerance for questioning the Climate Change movement, and thus it clearly meets the second warning sign for unsafe groups.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Hardly anyone knows just how much money is spent on “Climate research” every year. The cost is spread out among laughably useless study grants, wind and solar farm subsidies, carbon offset credits, “green” building code evaluation and enforcement, salaries for bureaucrats solely dedicated to “climate concerns”……you get the idea, it’s a lot of hazy money.
The abhorrent practice of “sue and settle” was a flat out money laundering scheme that allowed sympathetic government officials to transfer millions of tax dollars to radical leftist environmental groups. The practice only ended when the Trump administration used executive power to clamp down on it.
The total amount of yearly financial expenditure on the Climate Change movement is vague, difficult to track, and often carried out in unethical manners. Thus, the Climate Change movement exhibits the third warning sign for unsafe groups.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
This one is pretty obvious. The Climate Change movement always shouts out revised and updated apocalypse predictions, eerily reminiscent of the stereotypical bum on the sidewalk with that “The End Is Near” sign. “The world will end in X years if we don’t do X” is the constant refrain. The years always pass, and the apocalypse never happens. Interestingly, this is a characteristic of multiple religious cults (such as the Seekers of Chicago, and the Order of the Solar Temple). At the moment, we apparently have 12 years to nationalize the entire economy and phase out fossil fuels before we all die a fiery death.
There’s also no shortage of conspiracy theories about who they consider to be Earth’s greatest saboteurs. They have an enemies list. The fossil fuel industry is at the top of it, with widespread tinfoil hat theories about oil companies burying patents for efficient renewable fuel recipes to keep us all guzzling gasoline.
The “repent or burn” doomsday preaching is the most well-known staple of the Climate Change movement, and quite clearly exemplifies the fourth warning sign for unsafe groups.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Climate alarmists who leave, step back from, or even lightly criticize the movement are immediately subjected to vicious smear campaigns. Dutch professor Richard Tol experienced this phenomenon firsthand when he removed his name from an IPCC climate report and criticized the reports excessively apocalyptic predictions.
The smear campaign was led by Bob Ward, director of policy at the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change ‘This has all the characteristics of a smear campaign”, Tol said. “It’s all about taking away my credibility as an expert.”
The treatment of Professor Tol is not uncommon, and clearly demonstrates that the Climate Change movement exhibits the fifth warning sign for unsafe groups.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
Professor Tol is not an anomaly. Dr. Richard Lindzen of MITDr. Nils-Axel Mörner, and countless other former IPCC in-crowd climate experts were subjected to smear campaigns from their colleagues and the news media for the crime of throwing cold water on the outlandish predictions of the Climate Change movement.
This pattern is all too familiar to anyone who has studied what happens to individuals who leave the Church of Scientology, and clearly meets the sixth warning sign for unsafe groups.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
The abuses of the Climate Change movement are loud and proud. They vociferously attack their perceived enemies for public consumption, and are cheered on by fellow travelers in the journalism class. Most recently they brainwashed a bunch of kids and marched them into an octogenarian Democrat Senator’s office to beg not to be murdered by a ‘No’ vote on impossible legislation. Have you seen those kids in Diane Feinstein’s office? You should, it’s creepy, here they are:
These tantrums and protests aren’t only meant to rally supporters of the Climate Change movement. They are a form of intimidation, a tactic used to silence those who question the gospel. There is ample evidence that the Climate Change movement meets the seventh warning sign of an unsafe group.
8. Followers feel they can never be “good enough”.
The atonement process for Climate warriors always demands more. It started with using a recycling bin and grocery bags. Now, in 2019, being a good follower means imposing veganism on the masses and issuing fatwahs against innocuous objects such as plastic straws and grocery bags. Despite all the efforts of the faithful, Climate minions maintain a constant state of dread and despair, knowing they can never truly do enough to stop the coming doom.
Clearly, the eighth warning sign for unsafe groups applies to the Climate Change movement.
9. The group/leader is always right.
When have the climate leaders been called wrong for their failed predictions? Regardless of the weather, they are always intrinsically correct.
Flood? Climate Change. Drought? Climate Change.
No Snow? Climate Change. Too much snow? Climate Change.
Tornado? Climate Change. Hurricane? Climate Change. Lack of hurricanes? Climate Change.
See how this works?
One of the best aspects of the movement is “weather is climate until it isn’t”. The acolytes of Climate Change will point out the window in a heat wave and say, “See? We’re right!”
If a skeptic points out the window during a blizzard, the same acolytes will simply cry “Weather isn’t climate!” It’s a game they can never lose, one in which they are never wrong and always right.
Thus, the ninth warning sign for unsafe groups clearly applies.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing “truth” or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
The path to discovery for the Climate Change movement is an intentionally vague discipline referred to as “climate science”.
Did you carry out a study on gender and glaciers? Climate Science.
Did you think up the worst possible scenarios that have no actual chance of happening (actual portion of latest National Climate Assessment)? Climate Science.
Any “science” that confirms the tenets of the Climate Change movement is deemed “climate science”, while actual scientific research that disputes their conclusions is derided as “denialism”.
The tenth warning sign for unsafe groups is clearly met.

The Verdict: It’s a cult

According to the established, scientific guidelines developed by cult experts, the Climate Change movement fits the bill for a potentially unsafe group. … Full article

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  1. rick ross is an accomplice to mass murder….
    do “cult members” or even “visitors” to a cult compound have “rights”
    if some a**hole in a “JEW” worshipping society makes a claim about
    a cult…?
    like the right to due process, or even not being assaulted on sunday morning
    by a synagogue of satan psychopathic cult member shooting through the roof
    from a helicopter…
    what synagogue of satan cult prints the filthy lucre {{{JEW}}} lies…federal reserve notes
    what synagogue of satan cult owns the media…
    what synagogue of satan cult pays the {{{JEW}}} worshipping crack whores in congress
    for real climate change study to show yourself approved…
    READ and study Matthew 13:39-43
    Comment by Anthony Clifton | April 15, 2019 | Reply

2019/04/15

진보 역사3단체, ‘임정 법통론’ 비판

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기사입력2019.04.14 오후 2:55

진보 역사3단체, ‘임정 법통론’ 비판

‘역사전쟁으로 임정 법통론 강화’ 지적

“임정 법통론은 남북 대결의식 고취”

“역사학이 국가주의의 도구로 전락해”


원본보기임종명 전남대 교수(사학과)가 12일 오후 서울 동대문구 제기동 역사문제연구소에서 역사문제연구소와 역사학연구소, 한국역사연구회가 주최한 `국가 정통론의 동원과 ‘역사전쟁'의 함정' 주제의 학술회의에서 ‘근대 정통론과 기원·계보의 정치’를 주제로 발표하고 있다. 김명진 기자 littleprince@hani.co.kr“





보수, 개혁 집단 모두 집권 세력이 과도하게 역사인식에 개입하려는 경향이 존재한다.”(홍석률 성신여대 교수) “한 역사학자가 말한 ‘선한 정치권력이라도 역사 오용의 유혹에서 벗어나기 어렵다’는 말을 고민해봐야 한다.”(이용기 한국교원대 교수)

진보적 역사 3단체가 문재인 정부의 국가·민족주의적 역사 정책에 문제를 제기하고 나섰다. 문 대통령이 임시정부 100주년을 두고 “건국 백년”이라 말하고, 박광온 더불어민주당 의원이 임시정부 수립일인 4월11일을 국경일로 지정하는 법안을 제출하는 등 역사적 사실과 다른 ‘임시정부 신성화’가 진행되고 있다는 우려의 목소리를 낸 것이다.

12일 오후 서울 동대문구 역사문제연구소에서 역사문제연구소와 역사학연구소, 한국역사연구회가 주최하는 학술회의 “국가 정통론의 동원과 ‘역사전쟁'의 함정”이라는 주제로 열렸다. 주최 단체들은 학술회의에서 발표한 취지문에서, 우파의 반공주의적 1948년 건국설과 문재인 정부 및 일부 ‘진보’학계의 ‘임시정부 법통론'에 기반을 둔 1919년 건국설 모두를 두고 “서로 다른 기원을 근거로 양자가 벌이는 정통성 경쟁은 국가주의를 강화하는 역사전쟁”이라고 비판했다. 이들은 “우리는 임정 수립 100주년을 기점으로 ‘건국 백년'이 운위되는 것에 대해 큰 문제의식을 느낀다. 이는 학계를 포함해 공론장의 충분한 논의에 기반을 둔 것이 아니라 정치적 선택의 결과인 것이 분명하다”라고 지적했다. 이어 “3·1운동의 마땅한 계승자들인 비정규직 노동자, 성소수자, 여성, 장애인, 이주 노동자들이 국가의 역사적 정통성이 부족하다고 외치고 있는가?”라고 물으며 “역사가 현실의 모순을 넘어서기 위한 해방의 계기가 아니라 그 합리화와 정당화를 위한 도구로 전락한다면 그것이야말로 역사(학)의 종말이지 않을 수 없다”고 밝혔다. 또한 이들은 대한민국 역사박물관이 진행 중인 상설 전시관 개편이 학계와의 소통이 없이 진행되고, 해방 이후 한국군이 일본군과 만주군 출신을 중심으로 출범한 사실을 외면하고 “육군사관학교의 역사적 뿌리도 100여년 전 ‘신흥무관학교’에 이른다”(문 대통령)고 한 역사 인식도 문제 삼았다.

주제발표자로 나온 이용기 한국교원대 교수(역사문제연구소 소장)는 “과거 ‘진보’ 역사학계는 임정 법통론을 비판해왔다. 하지만 건국절 논쟁이 진행되면서 ‘진보’ 역사학계는 침묵 속에 방관하거나 1919년설에 동조했다”고 말했다. 그는 “임정이 국가로서 갖추어야 하는 요소와 실천에선 제한적”이었다며 “1923년 국민 대표 회의 이후에는 대표성에도 한계를 나타내 전체 민족해방운동 세력을 아우르는 독립운동의 최고지도기관 역할을 하지 못했다”고 말했다. 이어 “애초에 임정 법통론은 해방 이후 이승만 등 우익진영이 주도적으로 정부를 수립하기 위해 만든 정치 논리”였다고 지적했다. 특히 사회주의 세력 등 다른 독립운동을 배제하고 임정만이 유일하며 배타적인 정통성을 가진다는 논리는 “남북 대결의식을 고취하는 냉전적 논리를 강화”하는 결론으로 귀결된다고 말했다.

홍석률 성신여대 교수(사학과)는 역사교과서 논쟁으로 정사·정통론이 강화된 상황의 문제를 지적했다. 그는 “한국사학계의 일제 식민지 시대 연구는 1990년대 중반 이후부터 탈근대주의적 역사인식 등이 대두하며 민족주의적 역사의식에서 벗어나 좀 더 다양화되는 추세에 있었다”고 짚었다. 하지만 “역사논쟁이 과잉정치화되면서 오히려 역사 논의가 더 협소해지고 단순해지는 경향이 생기고 있다”면서 “역사학계가 보수세력의 공세에 방어적으로 대응하며 민족주의의 방패 뒤로 숨는 모습을 보여왔다”라고 지적했다. 그는 “민주적이고 개방적이며 다원적인 국가에서 ‘단일한’ 역사서술, ‘올바른’ 역사서술을 추구한다는 것 자체가 문제”라며, 1999년 게르하르트 슈뢰더 연방수상이 “독일인 모두가 통일적 역사상을 지니는 것은, 내가 이해하고 있는 한 개방된 민주사회에 전혀 적합한 일이 아니다”라고 한 연설을 인용했다.


원본보기홍석률 성신여대 교수(사학과)가 12일 오후 서울 동대문구 제기동 역사문제연구소에서 역사문제연구소와 역사학연구소, 한국역사연구회가 주최한 `국가 정통론의 동원과 ‘역사전쟁'의 함정' 학술회의에서 “‘역사전쟁’을 성찰하며”란 주제로 발표하고 있다. 김명진 기자 littleprince@hani.co.kr

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종합토론에선 주제발표를 두고 다양한 지적이 나왔다. 특히 국가가 역사에서 정통성을 찾고, 이를 다수 국민이 지지하는 상황을 두고 역사가들은 비판만 하는 것이 옳으냐는 반론이 제기됐다. 토론자로 나온 윤상원 전북대 사학과 교수는 “20여년 동안 ‘임시정부 법통론’을 극복해내기 위해 그토록 많은 시간과 열정을 쏟아왔음에도 ‘임시정부의 법통’을 지키기 위한 전쟁에 내몰려 어느 순간 스스로가 소위 ‘임시정부주의자’가 되어 있는 모습을 발견하곤 했다. 나 자신은 상황 논리 하에서 정말 비겁했다”며 ‘자아비판’을 했다. 하지만 윤 교수는 “국가는 앞으로도 끊임없이 정통론을 내세울 텐데, 역사학자들이 ‘정통론은 틀렸다고’만 말한다고 무슨 문제가 풀릴 수 있을지 모르겠다. 결국 다시 역사학자들이 비겁하게 행동하는 상황에 처하게 되는 것이 아닌가”라고 우려했다.

정일영 서강대 트랜스내셔널인문학연구소 연구교수도 “왜 대중이 정부의 역사 드라이브를 지지하고, 역사 정통론에 매료되고, 기꺼이 역사전쟁에 참전하는지 생각해봐야 한다. 자칫하면 대안 없이 비판만 한다는 말을 들을 수 있다”고 말했다. 정병욱 고려대학교 교수(민족문화연구원)는 “시민·대중이 국가의 역사 정통론을 선호하는 이유는 역사를 자신의 정체성과 연관시키기 때문이다. 정통론에 의지하지 않으면서도 자존감을 주는 역사 서술은 어떻게 할 수 있을지 고민해야 한다”라고 말했다.

‘민족주의는 시대착오적’이라는 주장에 관해서도 토론이 벌어졌다. 임경석 성균관대 교수(사학과)는 “역사 3단체가 (단체 설립 정신인) 민중사학, 실천적 역사학이란 민중·통일 민족주의를 지금도 공유하고 있다고 생각하는데 그것을 누구 마음대로 시대착오적이라고 할 수 있나”라고 반박했다. 그는 덧붙여 “극우 세력과 역사전쟁이 끝나지 않았다. (자유한국당 국회의원들이) 5·18 관련 망언을 해도 제지할 수 없고, 친일 문제 대응도 무기력한 상황이다. 여전히 수구적 역사로 퇴행하려는 기도는 의회와 언론을 거점으로 강력하게 이뤄지고 있다. 칼끝을 돌려선 안 된다”고 말했다.

김지훈 기자 watchdog@hani.co.kr
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자칭 진보 역사학계가 이런 주장 하는 이유를 알려준다. 북한이 임정을 '부정'하거든 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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진보놈들이 역겨운게 저놈들 지금까지는 임시정부에 정통론이 있다고 씨부리다가 막상 김정은이 임시정부의 정통론을 무시하고 김일성정부가 정통성이 있다고 씨부리니까 말이 또 바뀐다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 그렇게 따지면 오히려 유엔의 승인을 받은 이승만초대 정부가 정통성이 있다고 봐야 하는건데 말이지 그리고 북한의 초대내각은 친일파가 대부분 차지했지만 이승만정부의 초대내각은 전부 독립투사 출신이었다
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역사는 늘 후대에 의해 새롭게 해석되고 강화된다대한민국의정통성은 임시정부에서 출발한다에 동의함.친일청산하지못한 근현대사의 업보임..
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미국 미시간 공대에서 20년간 재직하며 최우수 교수상을 연속 수상하고 강의법 강좌를 통해 ‘교수를 가르치는 교수’로 명성을 쌓은 조벽(63) 숙명여대 석좌교수가 11일 SBSCNBC <제정임의 문답쇼, 힘>에 출연해 한국 교육에 일침을 가했다. 2005년 귀국 후 학교폭력대책위원장 등을 맡아 청소년 정책과 교육혁신에 참여해 온 그는 현재 HD행복연구소 공동소장으로서 부모자녀관계와 부부관계 회복 등을 위한 프로그램도 운영하고 있다.



‘공부해서 남 주냐’며 이기심 부추기는 풍토



▲ 한국 부모들 중에는 아이를 ‘기여하는’ 인재가 아닌 ‘기생하는’ 존재로 만드는 사람들이 많다고 꼬집는 조벽 교수 . ⓒ SBSCNBC <제정임의 문답쇼, 힘>





조 교수는 한국에 돌아와 들은 말 중 ‘공부해서 남 주냐’가 가장 충격적인 것 중 하나였다며 “오로지 나만을 위해서 산 사람이, 훗날 돈도 벌고 얻을 거 다 얻은 후에 사회를 위해 봉사하고 기여하겠다는 것은 헛소리”라고 말했다. 그는 “그렇게 30~40년을 살아 온 사람은 죽을 때까지 그렇게 살 것”이라며 “인재라는 것은 도달하는 목표점이 아니라 살아가는 방식”이라고 덧붙였다.



그는 또 “우리나라 학부모들은 주입식 교육을 넘어 아이들에게 꿈마저 주입하고 있다”고 꼬집었다. 아이들의 장점을 키워주는 대신 의사 등 특정 직업을 목표로 ‘국영수사과(국어, 영어, 수학, 사회, 과학)에 매달리게 하고 단점을 메우는 데 집중함으로써 결국 평범한 수준으로 만들어 버린다는 것이다.



“부모들이 주입하는 꿈은 결국 악몽이지 진짜 꿈이 아닙니다. 그리고 20년 후에 그 부모님의 악몽이 시작될 거예요. 저는 그런 사람 너무 많이 봤거든요. 사회적으로 성공했는데 40대, 50대 돼가지고 우울증에 걸려 죽고 싶다 그래요. 그리고 그 나이에 부모님을 탓합니다. 엄마 아빠 얼굴도 보기도 싫다고 해요.”



‘집단 지성’ 대신 ‘집단 실성’을 보여주는 사람들



조 교수는 또 한국 사람들이 ‘실력이 없으면 인성이라도 좋아야지’ 하고 말하는 것은 매우 잘못됐다고 지적했다. 그는 인성이 ‘실력자에게 갑질을 당해도 비굴하게 빌붙는 태도’가 아니라 ‘타인과 협력해서 일할 수 있는 실력’이라고 정의했다. 인성이 곧 실력이라는 것이다.



▲ 조벽 교수는 흔히 말하는 실력이 전문지식과 기술이라면 인성은 전문성을 발휘할 수 있도록 돕는 요소이며, 따라서 인성 역시 실력이라고 정의했다. ⓒ SBSCNBC <제정임의 문답쇼, 힘>





그는 인성교육의 세 가지 요소로



  • 스스로 감정을 조절할 수 있는 ‘자기조율’, 
  • 다른 사람과 어울려 일할 수 있는 ‘관계조율’, 
  • 공동체를 위해 함께 문제를 해결해 나가는 ‘공익조율’을 꼽았다. 




그는 특히 다가오는 인공지능시대에는 복잡하고 어려운 문제를 해결하기 위해 공익적인 목적으로 집단지성을 발휘하는 능력이 더 없이 중요하다고 강조했다.



“그런데 한국을 보니까 집단지성이 아니라 그냥 집단이에요. 끼리끼리 모여 있는 집단. 학연 지연 혈연으로 똘똘 뭉쳐가지고 기득권 유지에만 목표를 두고 있어요. 끼리끼리 모여가지고 온갖 부정부패의 온상이 되는 게 바로 집단 실성하는 거죠.”



아이를 ‘정서적 금수저’로 키우려면



조 교수는 빈부격차에 따른 신분세습을 의미하는 ‘금수저’ ‘흙수저’와 달리 ‘정서적 금수저’와 ‘정서적 흙수저’도 있다고 말했다. 그는 대한항공 사주 일가를 예로 들어 자녀를 어떻게 키우느냐에 따라 ‘경제적 금수저’가 ‘정서적 흙수저’로 자랄 수도 있다고 설명했다. 부부가 자주 싸우거나 자녀들과 애착관계를 제대로 만들지 못한 경우 아이들이 주의력결핍장애(ADHD) 등 심신의 문제를 일으키고 심각한 경우 우울증, 중독, 자살 등으로 이어질 가능성이 높다는 것이다.



조 교수는 아이들을 ‘정서적 금수저’로 키우기 위해서는 무엇보다 부모가 서로 사랑하는 모습을 보여서 아이들에게 안정감을 주고, 행동을 곧바로 지시하기보다 정서적 지지를 앞세우는 ‘감정코칭’을 해야 한다고 조언했다. 아이의 마음 상태를 먼저 이해하고, 부모가 사랑하고 있음을 느끼게 한 뒤 행동의 한계를 그어주어야 한다는 것이다.



▲ 조벽 교수는 “부모들은 아이의 감정을 무시하고 일방적으로 지시하는 ‘행동코칭’ 대신 아이의 마음을 이해하고 정서적 지지를 앞세우는 ‘감정코칭’을 해야 한다”고 조언했다. ⓒ SBSCNBC <제정임의 문답쇼, 힘>

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아웃사이더 인생, ‘독특함’으로 승부하다



조 교수는 열대의학을 전공한 의사 아버지를 따라 10살 때 자메이카로 이주한 뒤 대학 공부는 미국에서 했기 때문에 청소년기는 흑인들 사이에서, 대학생 때는 백인들 사이에서 늘 ‘아웃사이더(외부자)’였다고 고백했다. 그는 소수자로서 살아남기 위해 ‘최고(베스트)’가 되기보다는 ‘독특함(유니크)’으로 승부하겠다는 전략을 세웠다고 말했다.



“초임 교수시절, 연구 부담으로 강의준비 시간은 부족하고 학생들은 수업이 지루하다는 반응이어서 거의 우울증에 걸릴 지경이었죠. 한 해를 그렇게 보낸 뒤 교수법 책이란 책은 다 찾아서 독학을 했습니다. 강의기법에 투자하지 않는 교수들 사이에서 자연스럽게 유니크하고 독보적인 존재가 됐죠.”



‘교육계의 마이클 조던’이란 별명으로 불렸던 그는 교수법을 지속적으로 연구하고, 심리학 전문가인 아내 최성애(63) 박사의 도움으로 이론적 토대를 다지면서 교육혁신 전문가로 입지를 굳히게 됐다고 밝혔다.

경제방송 SBSCNBC는 제정임 세명대 저널리즘스쿨대학원 교수가 진행하는 명사 토크 프로그램 ‘제정임의 문답쇼, 힘’ 2019 시즌방송을 3월 14일부터 시작했다. 매주 목요일 오후 11시부터 1시간 동안 방영되는 이 프로그램은 사회 각계의 비중 있는 인사를 초청해 정치 경제 등의 현안과 삶의 지혜 등에 대해 깊이 있는 이야기를 풀어간다. <단비뉴스>는 매주 금요일자에 방송 영상과 주요 내용을 싣는다. (편집자)





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In the spring of 1957, when he was eighty-one years old, C. G. Jung undertook the telling of his life story. At regular intervals he had conversations with his colleague and friend Aniela Jaffé, and collaborated with her in the preparation of the text based on these talks. On occasion, he was moved to write entire chapters of the book in his own hand, and he continued to work on the final stages of the manuscript until shortly before his death on June 6, 1961.
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Published April 1989 by Vintage (first published 1961)
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Erinnerungen, Träume, Gedanken. Aufgezeichnet und herausgegeben von Aniela Jaffé
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Rowena
Jul 07, 2013rated it it was amazing
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“The meaning of my existence is that life has addressed a question to me. Or, conversely, I myself am a question which is addressed to the world, and I must communicate my answer, for otherwise I am dependent upon the world’s answer.” – Carl Jung; Memories, Dreams, Reflections.

I know very little about psychology but it’s a subject I’m very interested in. A friend recommended Jung to me when I began writing down my dreams some months ago and started noticing some patterns.

I think this is a great introduction to Jung. Jung takes us through his psychic life from a child to an old man, and explains how his experiences, his dreams and interpretations of dreams shaped his life and brought him to self-realization. It also goes into his doomed friendship with Freud, his interest in symbology, and his travels (to India, Africa, New Mexico etc).

This is one of the most fascinating books I have ever read. I loved Jung’s approach to psychiatry. His quest to understand the human psyche is nothing short of admirable, and it’s clear that so many have been helped by his work. His dedication into his research and understanding is remarkable.

Although Jung’s views on alchemy and religion were definitely a bit out there for me, I still respect him for articulating his beliefs in an intelligent and thoughtful manner.

I recognized a lot of Jung’s thinking patterns in my own, and was quite surprised I wasn’t the only one who’d had those same thoughts. As Carl Jung put it, ““I was going about laden with thoughts of which I could speak to no one; they would have been misunderstood.” A lot of what Jung said greatly resonated with me and I wonder whether his Myer-Briggs typography was similar or the same as mine (INFJ).

This is a book I think everybody should read. Reading it has definitely enriched my life.

“I am astonished, disappointed, pleased with myself. I am distressed, depressed, rapturous. I am all these things at once, and cannot add up the sum.”- Carl Jung
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Jon
Dec 18, 2007rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: anyone who thinks Reason is king
I delved into this book, a Christmas present from a friend, to learn more about Jung's psychological concepts, namely the collective unconcious; the anima and animas; the shadow; mandalas; the Self. About twenty pages in, though, I amended my purpose. I sought not facts but an answer to this question: Should I, Jon Medders, let myself be more like C.G. Jung?

See, Jung's narrative demonstrates a way to live one's life that I have often suspected might work well for me: minimize one's tendencies toward rational thought and maximize one's reliance on rationality's opposite (intuition, hunches, coincidences, God, the unconcious). So, as I read Jung's repeated accounts of rushing into projects and life decisions based on dreams, visions, and other numinous experiences, including contact with ghosts, I realized that his willingness to engage "the unseen" was integral to his becoming the creative force he was.

I am still sorting through the answers to my question. I will say that anyone who thinks that reason or intellectual conception provides the only valid basis for action in this world should take a close look at Jung's life and work.
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Gorkem
Jan 17, 2018rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Jung, benim hayatımda ve algı dünyamda çok etkili olmuş biri. Kendisinin, spirituel algısı ve insanın ele alışı aynı zamanda hem bir performanscı olarak müziksel algımda hem de eğitimci olarak çocuklar ve gençleri nasıl bir ayna olabileceğim konusunda hep yönlendirici olmuştur.

Anılar, Düşler ve Düşünceleri için söyleyebileceğim tek şey kendi anılarınıza ve düşleriniza ayna tutacak bir yol gösterici, hem de Jung'u daha yakından tanımak için en iyi kitaplardan biri.

İyi okumalar!
Maxwell Purrington
May 22, 2011rated it it was amazing
Why Memories, Dreams and Reflections is meaningful for me.

I shall begin by telling you of an event that occurred to me at college but which had its genesis four years earlier and the subsequent consequences of which remain to be completely known.

One evening when I was 14 years old I went to bed much as I always had done. Sometime later after falling to sleep I awoke. To my astonishment at the foot of my bed and somewhat elevated into the air were two personages. An elderly man with the wrinkles in his face that bespoke of a life of both dignity and wisdom and alongside him an equally aged woman endowed with a face of gentle kindness. I took them to be husband and wife and decades later would come to name them Philemon and Bacchus.

Upon seeing them I was immediately struck with two emotions. On the one hand I was enraptured by their appearance and on the other hand I was terrified as in my 14 years of life to my knowledge I only knew of two types of people who had visions: Prophets and Madmen. I knew I was not a Prophet.

As I gazed upon them it occurred to me that what I was witnessing may in fact be a dream albeit a most vivid dream. I determined to establish the means of proving whether this was a dream of a waking vision. There was a crayon on my night stand. I slowly reached for the crayon hoping not to interrupt my “visitors.” Gripping the crayon I pressed it against the wall on the side of my bed rubbing it back and forth leaving a most distinguished marking. I figured that when I woke up the following morning that if the mark was not there that I had been dreaming. On the other hand if the mark was on the wall I would know I had had a waking vision and hopefully the marking would prove a stimulus to recalling the episode.

The mark was on my wall upon finally waking.

Jesus famously said that a Prophet is not recognized in his own home. Most assuredly I was not going to tell my family, relatives or friends of my vision fearing ridicule so I remained must as I sought the means of understanding what had happened.

Insofar as I knew that Prophets had visions I determined that I would read the Bible which I had never read before to seek some understanding. I found an old King James Version of the Bible and set about reading it from cover to cover. Every word was read from Genesis straight through Revelations.

This was an enlightening process however the Prophets seems to float above the common humanity within which I lived. Nonetheless I completed my reading of the Bible in about a year’s time and read it completely from cover to cover each successive year until my departure to College.

At College I enrolled as a History Major although I had no tangible plan to make use of History in my life. Briefly the move to college pressed the thought of my vision to the back of my mind. This would not last for long.

I had been attending classes for about six weeks when one day I was passing through the upstairs area above the cafeteria when I spotted a young man in the crowd of students. He was dressed in Army fatigues and I was struck with the undeniable premonition that he was on campus to commit a mass murder.

I fought against this sense and tried to fight against this idea as it seemed so irrational. I walked around outside of the campus for about an hour trying to shake off this premonition but without success. This presented me with a moral dilemma. If I ignored the premonition and a murder did occurred I would bear some responsibility and be an accomplice of sorts. Should I not ignore the premonition what was I to do? Who would listen to me much less believe me?

Suddenly the name of my History 101 professor came to mind. I had never spoken to him before except to ask a couple of questions in class but I sensed that perhaps I could share my premonition with him and perhaps he would know what to do.

So being around noon time I went to the downstairs cafeteria where I thought he might be having lunch with fellow faculty and staff members. The cafeteria area was packed with nary a seat to be found. Well, except for the one lone empty seat next to my professor.

Girding up my loins and with much trepidation I went and sat next to the professor. I introduced myself to him not certain that he would recall me from his History 101 class and proceeded to tell him of my premonition. Amazingly, I thought, without batting an eyelash he listened to my story and then asked me to go upstairs with him to point out the person who had struck me with such fear. I did.

Then the professor went to the Administration Building and spoke with someone in security as well as the University President.

I was not involved directly in what happened next but since the person in question had not actually done anything wrong yet not much of an official nature could be done but a background check was done and it was found that the person was returned from Vietnam and had a mental history.

The means were “set up” to establish a reason a few days later to enter the person’s apartment where there was a diary indicating the desire to commit a mass murder against students who were perceived to be against the war. Additionally photos taken of a civilian massacre in Vietnam were found and subsequently were used as the means of getting the person off campus and into a V.A. Hospital for mental treatment.

I was quite gratified that my premonition proved valid. This gave me solace.

I was also grateful to my professor because he did not publicize the event or in any way bring undo attention to me. As a matter of fact we never discussed the matter again.

This event brought back to the forefront the vision I had had four years earlier.

It struck me one morning that if I could tell my professor of the premonition that perhaps I could entrust him with the Vision and the fear that had accompanied it.

I went to his office and upon being invited in closed the door behind me and sat down and told him of my Vision. Upon completing my story my professor to told me to go to the library and check out a book entitled: Memories, Dreams and Reflections.

I had never heard of Carl Jung before and knew nothing of his work but went to the library and checked out Memories, Dreams and Reflections and went to find a quiet place to read it.

In the beginning of the book Dr. Jung writes of his childhood and as a youngster how he had had a Vision and how it terrified him and how he felt he could not tell his family or friends of it.

We bonded.

I did not know Dr. Jung but somehow he was more “human” to me that the prophets of the Old and New Testament. This would ultimately lead into a lifelong passion to comprehend the structure and dynamics of the psyche.
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Sohaib
"Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible. The loneliness began with the experiences of my early dreams, and reached its climax at the time I was working on the unconscious ... But loneliness is not necessarily inimical to companionship, for no one is more sensitive to companionship than the lonely man, and companionship thrives only when
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Chrissie
This book is not an autobiography in the normal sense. We are given little information about family details. We are told in one sentence, "I have a wife and five children." That's about it for family details. At the end of the book are four appendixes, two of which are letters written to his wife when he was traveling in the US and then later in Africa. These letters are in fact special; they showed me the ordinary man, not the man espousing his theories. They were delightfully creative and well written, but there are only a few and they are short. This book is instead about Carl Gustav Jung's (1875 - 1961) theories, his philosophy and how it developed.

At the age of 81 he agreed, to sit down one afternoon every week to talk with his colleague and friend Aniela Jaffé. This book is the result of their collaboration. It was decided that he would write a few chapters about his youth, he felt an inner need to do this, but otherwise the book is based on their conversations which she recorded and edited. A chapter entitled Later Thoughts concludes the book. Both this and the chapters on his youth have a different feel and I bet both were written by him. They are more abstruse. These were the hardest to comprehend, particularly in those parts where he speaks of religion. Nevertheless, having read the book, I do now have a better understanding of his philosophy.

The book is very much an expression of Jung's views. He is telling us how hethinks. There is no debate. Jaffé does not critically analyze or counter with opposing views. We hear neither her questions nor her thoughts.

The book could have been tightened and at times better organized. Sometimes it is extremely wordy. Jung tells us that he disagreed with Freud's emphasis on sexuality. Then later in the book we are old that Freud came to modify his view. How his view changed is not clarified, and this could have been mentioned the first time around.

In the latter half of the book Jung travels to Africa and India and Italy. Some other places too. He states he wants to look at Europeans and himself from a different cultural perspective. He wants to look in from the outside. Here we go deeper into his views on myths and culture. Definitely interesting, but I cannot say I would necessarily draw the same conclusions. This doesn’t really matter though; this is a book about his views, certainly not mine. Except maybe his reasoning hasn’t properly been made clear; this could be classified as a weakness of the book.

Dreams....dreams. He tells us of a zillion dreams and what they mean. These dreams are extremely detailed. Let me just state that his ability to recall such details pushes credibility. I had trouble accepting some of the conclusions drawn. On several occasions he explained dreams after time had passed and after other important events had occurred, claiming the dreams foresaw future events. That is explaining after you have the facts, and I don’t buy such reasoning. There is no proof in this.

At points the mystical and paranormal theories espoused pushed credibility for me.

Jung does not consider this book to be one of the set defining his philosophy. We are quite often referred to those books instead.

The audiobook narration by James Cameron Stewart was absolutely excellent. It could not in any way have been improved. Simple to follow. All of the words are clear, and the speed with which it is read gives you time to think. You need time to think when you read this book! Jung uses lots of terms that you have to get glued into your head if you are to follow his thought processes.

I am glad I read the book. I see it as a primer on Jung’s philosophy much more than a biography / autobiography of his life.
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Corinne
Sep 07, 2015rated it really liked it
A lucid and precise book, that is also easy to read. These points touched me the most:

That Jung gives his internal experiences a much higher value than his external experiences. I wonder how long it took him to do that.

That he could continue treating people without fear, even after his life was threatened so many times by crazy patients. I used to think this was a modern disease, but hell no!

The difficulties Jung faced with Freud, and the courage he required to break away from him, yet not criticize nor undermine him. It taught me a valuable lesson.

The part that absorbed me the most was his notion of the collective conscious & unconscious, which are formed through generations, and guide our instincts and logic. It’s really great how he used the mythology from different cultures to prove this.

His trip to India, and how he used Yoga to sustain his work, and his scientific understanding of the spirituality from the East. It opened my eyes really.
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Ann M
Nov 18, 2007rated it it was amazing
Shelves: nonfiction
This is an amazing book, from a truly amazing man. Some of the concepts that we toss around that came from Jung:

* The concept of introversion vs. extroversion
* The concept of the complex
* Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) was inspired by Jung's psychological types theory.
* Socionics, similar to MBTI, is also based on Jung's psychological types.
* Archetype concept, as an element of the archaic common substratum of the mind, or Collective Unconscious mind.
* Synchronicity idea, as an alternative to the Causality Principle, that has influence even on modern physicists.

Memories Dreams Reflections tells a lot about how he came to some of these discoveries, his inspiration and how he nurtured it (e.g., active imagination, what some term a shamanic process). He was truly unafraid, in a repressive time, to use whatever systems and methods, western or eastern, that would help.
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Nathanimal
May 13, 2010rated it really liked it
Shelves: das-buchpsychology
I love Jung. I love him so much I bought the t-shirt. Seriously, for my birthday I got a t-shirt with Jung's big white face on it, and I wear it all the time. He looks pretty serious. I want people to know that Jung is watching them, so behave.

Sometimes I wonder, Am I a Jungian? Not really. But I could be. Everytime I read Jung I feel a greater part of myself converted. I do have a compulsive interest in dreams. Murakami's short stories do strike a chord with me. As skeptical as I am about everything I have to admit that in my heart I'm monk who yearns for a religion.

I love Jung because:


His psycho-gospel is a path of intense personal spirituality. It's an attitude of searching for and claiming a truth peculiar to oneself. It's a cry against the materialism of super-rational modernism. Meaninglessness, he says, is a mental illness. The alternative is a milieu of your own images and symbols and intuitive experiences, that while deeply subjective, serves to make the world a bigger place. Now how could an aspiring writer like me not sign up for that? The individuation process is basically what a novel does.

The seriousness of his play. When Jung got stuck he drew mandalas and built sandcastles. He approached these playful activities with all seriousness of thought. I admire anyone who "works out his own salvation with fear and trembling" by playing games, by trying on costumes, by making up stories.

He considered himself a man of science. I have to laugh at that sometimes. Like when he says things such as, "Astrology is in the process of becoming a science," I have to wonder how scientific his science is. And yet he did shed his dogmas and he did seek to observe the psyche with all objectivity. His psycho-gospel was born from those conclusions. And he was most certainly willing to sacrifice to the gods he discovered behind the curtain. When I think of that, all the rigor he applied the texts of dreams and fairy tales and alchemy and gnosticism and crazy-talk, it occurs to me that he may very well have dedicated his entire life to nonsense; and yet something inside me, rather than being turned off by that, says RIGHT ON!

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This is a great book. He loses me at times — he always does — but even when I don't find his conclusions compelling, he, as a character, always compels me. I loved learning that he was a creepy child. I loved the first-hand account of his falling out with Freud. The prologue exudes a wisdom that I can't put a finger on and might function better as an epilogue. It presents, I think, a man reposed in a world of his own making. His world is huge and so he's free to move around it as he pleases. It's well lit too, so he's warm and sure footed and is able to see far ahead.

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Deea
Mar 27, 2018rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Are you in for a challenge?
(You can find the better looking version of this review on my blog:http://elephantsonclouds.blogspot.com...)

Mystics, Gnostics, alchemists, Buddhists, Taoists, philosophers and many others were preoccupied with understanding the mind better. Jung studied all of them by himself, read anything that he could put his hands on about myths, ancient religions, behavior of the primitives. He also studied and interpreted his own dreams, taking into account symbols discovered in all the books he read, his visions, his memories, his encounters with other cultures and his patients’ behavior and connected in his mind all the knowledge he could get (and believe me, it is pretty clear in this book that he was like a sponge for any knowledge of this kind) and reached mindblowing conclusions.

At the time when he became a psychiatrist, nobody really understood much how mental conditions could be treated and they were not even trying to find ways to help the patients. They were just diagnosing most people with mental conditions as suffering from schizophrenia and considered them freaks, putting them in secluded places so as to keep them from harming themselves or others. Jung regarded his work as a psychiatrist as a challenge, as a way to better understand himself and mind in general and he succeeded greatly at that, becoming a pioneer in treating these conditions through psychoanalysis. Most of his theories are, even if some might not be regarded as entirely correct, really very interesting and intriguing and they are great food for thought. This book presents how he reached most of his conclusions and how they all presented to him in a way or another through dreams and visions. His continuous struggles and victories to decipher them displayed vastly in this book made me realize how great and superior a mind he had.
His theories about the collective unconscious, about good and evil as being facets of a whole (pertaining to his theory about the shadows which is brilliant), of God arranging in his omniscience so that Adam and Eve would have to sin by having created the serpent before them and therefore placing in them the possibility of doing it (this echoed both Steinbeck’s view from East of Eden and Spinoza’s philosophy of the lack of will and of a God who sees the bigger picture in which bad is not really bad which I was happening to read in the morning – should I categorize this as synchronicity, a concept also defined by Jung?), all these helped me have a more comprehensive view of life and they also helped me understand myself better.
"Life has always seemed to me like a plant that lives on its rhizome. Its true life is invisible, hidden in the rhizome. The part that appears above ground lasts only a single summer. Then it withers away – an ephemeral apparition. When we think of the unending growth and decay of life and civilizations, we cannot escape the impression of absolute nullity. Yet I have never lost a sense of something that lives and endures underneath the eternal flux. What we see is the blossom, which passes. The rhizome remains."
No, this is not a biography per se. So, if you expect it to be like one, you’ll be disappointed. Jung chiefly speaks here of inner experiences, being most certain that these and only these form the prima materia of his scientific work. He is sure that inner experiences also set their seal on the outward experiences that came his way and assumed importance for him in his youth or later on. He discovered that anxiety presented itself in dreams of objects that were now small, now suffocatingly large (God, I’ve wondered so many times why, when I closed my eyes sometimes, I had this very disturbing image in my head). He discovered the basis for his theory of persona (the mask that we are wearing when interacting with others) when he was in primary school, he became conscious of the concept of ego in himself at some point when he was seized with rage that someone had dared to insult him.

Most of what he said seemed somehow familiar to me. I have, sometimes in the past, in one moment or another, felt the way he had felt and I was not able to reach a conclusion or put the feeling into words as well as he did. Like the passage below, for instance:
"I knew so little about myself, and the little was so contradictory that I could not with a good conscience reject any accusations. As a matter of fact I always had a guilty conscience and was aware of both actual and potential faults. For that reason I was particularly sensitive to reproofs, since all of them more or less struck home. Although I had not in reality done what I was accused of, I felt that I might have done it. I would even draw up a list of alibis in case I should be accused of something. I felt positively relieved when I had actually done something wrong. Then, at least I knew what my guilty conscience was for. Naturally I compensated my inner insecurity by an outward show of security, or – to put it better – the defect compensated itself without the intervention of my will."
The dream that he had which made him realize what consciousness really means in our human psyche is most interesting and I choose to add it here below. I will however add this as a spoiler (and the rest of the review as well) as I feel that I cannot summarize the richness of his ideas in a short text and this review will become way too long if I do not do this. It is up to you if you choose to read on or not. (view spoiler)
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Damla
Feb 07, 2019rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
“Geçmiş ürkünç bir gerçektir ve varlığını sürdürürken tatmin edici bir yanıt bulup canını kurtaramayan herkesi yakalar.”

Genelde okuduğumuz kitaplara kıyasla yer yer “yavaş ilerleyen” bir kitap olduğunu inkar edemeyeceğim. Ama sonuçta bu her şeyden önce “ruhun çok derin bir gerçek olduğuna inanan” bir adamın otobiyografisi, fazla aksiyon içermiyor.
Elimde olsa herkesin -kendileri için doğru zaman geldiğinde- bu kitabı okumasını sağlardım. Carl Jung psikoloji ve psikiyatri için varlığına şükredeceğimiz bir isim ve anılarını okumak benim için en az psikoloji ders kitabımız kadar faydalı oldu.

“Birey, bilincine varabilirse dünyanın yarısının ruhtan oluştuğunu anlar. Bu nedenle ruh bireysel bir sorun değil bir dünya sorunsalıdır ve bir psikiyatrist tüm dünyayla uğraşmak zorundadır.”
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ZaRi
وقتی انسان راه تفرد را دنبال می کند، وقتی زندگی خودش را زندگی می کند، باید خطاها را پبذیرد، زیرا زندگی بدون این اشتباهات کامل نمی شود و یا حتی برای یک لحظه تضمینی نیست که گرفتار خطا نشویم. شاید بیندیشیم راه امنی نیز وجود دارد، اما آن راه، راه مرگ خواهد بود: آنگاه دیگر چیزی رخ نخواهد داد، یعنی لااقل چیزهای درست. آن کس که راه مطمئن در پیش می گیرد با مرده فرقی ندارد...!
Martha Love
Nov 21, 2012rated it it was amazing
If you only read one book that is written by Carl Jung, this is the book to read. It is the most understandable book he has written and one I enjoy reading over and over!

Jung wrote this book as more of a case study than as an autobiography, giving you a first hand understanding of his inner process. We do not usually get this kind of information from our great ones in psychology, rather we only get to read of their theories once formed and perhaps studies with their clients. But we rarely are privileged to the inner story like Jung reveals in this book, with the history and questions about self, along with his process of introspection and self-discovery that propelled his curiosity of the human condition and lead him to formulate his psychological theories about the individuation process.

Martha Love,
Author of What's Behind Your Belly Button? A Psychological Perspective of the Intelligence of Human Nature and Gut Instinct and
Increasing Intuitional Intelligence: How the Awareness of Instinctual Gut Feelings Fosters Human Learning, Intuition, and Longevity
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James Curcio
Mar 31, 2009rated it really liked it
If you read anything by Jung, read this book. This deals with his psychological theories in a much more personal way than his other work, and, as it is written in the twilight of his life, he has no fear of academic or personal reprisal. His analysis of Freud is particularly revealing- both damning and humanizing. It also gives a very powerful insight into the way that myths can be opened up for personal growth & analysis. Of course, if you want to get the most out of this book, it may help to have a book such as the Complete Works of Jung handy, so you can familiarize yourself with his terminology and the progress of his ideas.

On the other hand, if you get pissed off when "scholars" begin sentences with "I think..." or "I feel...", leave it be. You'll just hurt yourself. He's completely fine with subjectivity.

Read for the Immanence of Myth project www.modernmythology.net
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Erik Graff
Apr 18, 2008rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Jung fans
Recommended to Erik by: no one
Shelves: biography
Jung's autobiography was not really written by Jung. As the cover says, it was "recorded and edited by Aniela Jaffe" between 1957 and his death in 1961. She therefore deserves much credit for producing a readable narrative which is quite entertaining, though not to be completely trusted.

I reread the book and indexed it when taking a course on Jung with the Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University Chicago during the first semester of 1982/83. Ironically, although the copy of the first edition I read had no index, a subsequent copy purchased did, so the work did not have its intended benefit.
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