2024/01/14

박용태 - 나도 혜민스님 디스(disrespect)하기???

박용태 - 나도 혜민스님 디스(disrespect)하기
나도 혜민스님 디스(disrespect)하기???
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73년생이면 나보다 세 살 어리시네.
아니 이 젊은 친구가 뭘 그리 잘못했다고 난리이신가???
멋진 훈남에 하버드에서 석사, 프리스턴대에서 박사를 취득했고...
한 참 사회생활 활발하게 할 나이에
활발하게 사회 활동한 것이 뭐가 죄지????
스님이 건물주라고???
그냥 자기 살던 집 팔았다잖아.
그럼 서울시내 아파트 한 채 꼴랑 가지고
월급 받아 먹고사는 회사원들은
모두 강남에 빌딩가진 갓물주이신가???
그것도 자기가 대표로 있는 선원에 팔았는데,
1억원의 시세차익이 있었으니
양도소득세도 냈겠네.
뭐가 문제이지???
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특히 이 선원이 주식회사처럼 여러 사람이 소유하는 형태가 아니라,
실질적으로 혜민 이 친구 개인 소유라면???
사실 별 문제없는 법적 등기권 정리일것 같은데???
스님이 무소유여야 한다고???
현대사회에서 그런 율법을 과연 쉽게 적용할 수 있을까???
서울역 노숙자가 되든지,
아니면 조계종 사찰에 소속되어 거의 종질하며 연명하라는
소리인데
이 젊은 친구에게 무소유를 요구하기 전에
작금의 조계종 사찰들이 수행처로서의 청정함을 유지하고 있는지 먼저 점검해야 하는 것 아닌가???
거기다가 수행자의 무소유는
사회적 '보시'가 전제되었을 때 얘기야.
수행자가 승복 한벌과 바리떼 하나 들고 나서도
먹고 자는 것에 전혀 문제없는 종교사회에서나 가능한 무소유이지.
뭐, 법정스님같이 조계종내에서 충분히 먹고 살만한
대종사 직위를 가진 분들이
80년대 구히기도 힘든 비싼 작설차 마시구 트림하듯 하시는
'무소유'라는 말을
당신들 입에서 듣고 있으려니 참 역겹네.
당장 오늘 한 번 지갑을 집에 두고 다같이 가족들과
저녁 외식이라도 나가봐.
무소유한 사람에게 얼마나 잔인한 사회를 당신들이 만들어냈는지
온 가족이 몸소 일일체험 해보시게나.
하하하하하하
대체 말같지도 않은 소리를 참 쉽게도 지껄이시기는...
특히 혜민 이 친구가
아무 문제가 없는것은,
하버드와 프린스턴을 나온 이 젊은 수재가
충분히 구라를 칠 수 있음에도
단 한번도 '깨달음'을 판매한 적이 없다는 것이야
그저 당신들이 원하는 '힐링'을 팔았지.
'힐링'이 '깨달음'은 아니잖아???
'힐링'이 '수행'은 아니잖아???
요즘 스님들은
사찰음식을 개발해서 돈 벌고
49재랑 천도재 지내주고 밥먹구 살고
'막춤'을 추면서 대중공양을 하기도 하고
각종 고민상담 고충 상담하기도 하고
불교 미술 작품 그려서 돈과 명예를 얻기도 하는데,
이 친구가 '힐링'을 상품화해서
돈도 벌고 대중공양도 하고
사회적 참여(?)도 하는 것은 왜 문제이지???
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아니 반대로
'힐링'과 '깨달음'을 구분하지 못하는 당신들이
더 이상한 것 아닌가???
당신들은
종교적 '수행'조차도 당신들 입맛에 맞게,
적절하게 소비할 만큼의 수준으로 격하시켜서
적당하게 정신적으로 소비할만큼 잘 버무려 주는
상품을 찾고 있었잖아???
당신들은
결코 해탈 열반 깨달음이나 이에 대한 수행에는
눈꼽만큼도 관심이 없으면서
그냥 값싸게 해탈 열반 깨달음의 느낌적 느낌을
저렴하게 맛보고 싶어했잖아???
혜민 이 친구는
비록 삭발하고 염의했지만,
한번도 당신들에게 깨달음이나 해탈같은 구라를 친 적은 없는데???
그저 당신들이 원하는 '힐링'을 달달하게 요리해서
당신들의 아침 밥상위에 올려 준 죄 밖에 없어.
왜???
스님이 그런 것을 하면 안되나???
다시 말하지만,
이제까지 이 달달한 '힐링'이
곧 깨달음이라고 믿고 싶었던 것은 당신들이지,
이 친구는 '힐링'이 곧 '깨달음'이라고
말한적 없어.
한마디로 이 '힐링'이라는 키치상품에 열광했던것도,
또 지금 배신감을 느끼는 것도
모두 당신들이 '참 저렴했다'는 반증일 뿐이야.
아니,
'수행자'가 아닌 '힐링술사'에게 대체 뭘 바라는 것이지???
스님은 꼭 수행만 해야 돼???
수행이야 안에서 혼자 하는 것이고
밖으로 중생 구제 방편으로 힐링술을 시전한 것이
뭐가 문제라고???
그냥 살어~~
인생사, 지나고 나면 다 버틸만 해.
지금의 괴로움이 세월이 지난 후 모두 기억과 추억이 되면
그게 바로 힐링이야...
어제 당신들이 '힐링'에 열광했던 것도
다 먹고 살만하니 그런것 아니던가???
또,
당신들은
알리바바 마윈이나
빌게이츠와 워런버핏에게,
그리고 스마트폰을 만들어 출세했다는 이유만으로
스티브 잡스같은 사람들에게 인생의 충고와 격려형태로
충분히 힐링을 받고 있지 않나???
이 젊은 스님은 그런 장사꾼 사업가도 아닌,
당당한 조계종 라이센스를 가진 종교 전문가라네.
종교 전문가의 힐링..
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어찌보면 당신들의 눈높이에 딱 맞는 최고의 힐링술사일지도....
나름 괜찮지 않나???
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머리 쓰시는 방법까지 모범을 보여 주시는 힐링스님🎉
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박선애 헐... 그게 뭐가 문제여유. 49재나 천도재 지내주구 밥이나 얻어먹는 무당질보다는 훨씬 품위있어 보이는구먼..ㅎㅎ
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박용태 49재. 천도재도 참으로 중요합니다.
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박선애 ㅎㅎ 그럼 그분들의 아뢰야식을 위해 살아서 힐링을 시켜드리지 그랬나유. ㅎㅎ
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박선애 영가가 육탈을 하면.. 이미 상당부분 살아생전의 업두 상당 해탈하는것 같더라구유.. 너무 존버하시지는 마세유^^
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마음써 주셔서 감사드립니다 ^^♡
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저도 무슨 일인가 싶었는데 별 내용이 없어서 실망. 그저 귀여운 청년이 귀엽게 사는 모습이던걸요.
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박정미 나보다 잘 생긴건 용납할 수 없어유..ㅎㅎㅎ
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누가 울 개띠 거사님보다 잘 난겨?
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Seong Cheol Lee 흑... 헤민이 저보다 잘생긴것은 용납할 수 없는 진실여유...흑흑
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객관적으로 인정불가! 이옵니다!
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Seong Cheol Lee 주관적으로 감사해유..ㅎㅎㅎ
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항상 양면을 볼 수 있어 균형잡기 수월합니다. 거사님!
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Seong Cheol Lee 뭐 중도.. 중관이 불교의 핵심이쥬^^
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오오 관점의 차이~ 역시. 다르시네요. 배웠어요.
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이윤주 하지만 나보다 잘 생긴건 용납할 수 없어유..ㅎㅎㅎ
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박용태 하하하하 더 잘생기기 쉽지 않을걸유~
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스님이나 안스님이나 사는건 매한가지 ㅋ
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윤학철 그걸 왜 구분하구 따지나유??? 사는 방식은 다를지라도 사는 내용이 다르면 그게 더 이상한거지...
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박용태 스님의 다양성을 인정해야
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윤학철 ㅎㅎ 다양한 것이 아니라 다사다난하쥬.ㅎㅎㅎ
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ㅎㅎㅎ...공감요!
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차용희 하지만 나보다 잘 생긴건 용납할 수 없어유..ㅎㅎㅎ
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박용태 ㅋㅋㅋ...암요~
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일단 사람들이 바라는 스님에 대한 상이 있는거쥬...사람들은 이 복잡다단한 삶에서 산중에서 정진하는 스님들을 보고 '청량'감을 얻쥬...
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'혜민'을 보고 힐링을 찾을 수 있다고 믿었으니께유...
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정행 ㅋㅋ 대중이 상을 정해 놓고 그것에 맞는 스님을 아예 만들어내네유.. ㅎㅎㅎ 그냥 대중문화를 창출하고 소비하는 시스템인데.. 뭐 그런 키치상품은 오래가지 못하쥬. ㅎㅎ
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박용태 이런 상품들이 쏟아지는 가운데...진짜 쓸만한게 나와야하는디...양적 증가가 질적변화로 이어진다는 말을...믿어볼라구유..^^
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정행 ㅋㅋ 도토리 물주구 키워봐야 밤이 되지는 않어유.. 힐링이 설마 깨달음이 될까..ㅎㅎ
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요런 방법의 디스도 있다는 , ㅋ
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정말 속이 후~~~~련! 도사님은 정말 도사셔요!
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권수경 ㅋㅋㅋ 맞어유.. 저는 도사가 맞는가봐유... ㅎㅎ
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한상정
공감합니다. 참, 선생님도 부자 되세요~^^
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한상정 이번 생에서는 글러버린듯.. 헤민만큼 잘 생겨야 부자가돼유..ㅎㅎ
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ㅎㅎ 오늘글은 별로 깔게 없네요.
그는 그냥 한사람의 힐러일 뿐이죠.
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シブ ラル 문빠한티는 추미애와 조국이라는 힐러가 있쥬...ㅋㅋㅋ
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박용태 잘 아시네요. 이시대의 보살들이죠 ㅎㅎ
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シブ ラル ㅋㅋㅋ 맞어유.. 문재인은 청정법신 비로자나불.. 추미애 조국은 개혁법신 내로남불... 모두 부처여유..ㅎㅎ
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박용태 거사님이 부처랑 보살 구분도 못하시다니.. 하긴뭐 애초부터 잘 알아봤다면 마구니가 되어있지도 않었겠지만서두.. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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シブ ラル ㅋㅋ 미륵보살도 나중에 미륵불이돼쥬??? 하여튼 무식하믄 문빠가 된다니께..^^
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박용태 아직은 부처 아니랑게요? 그러니 기득권들이랑 저렇게 붙어싸우죠^^ 우리가 보살이니깐 따르지.. ㅋㅋ 하여튼 마군이 아슈라도는 지식쪼가리 조금 있어봤자 어쩔수 없네요.
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シブ ラル ㅋㅋㅋ 애써유^^ 애쓰네유..ㅎㅎ 뭐 나름 소명을 가지고 하시는 일이니 여그서 순교하면 구원받을겨유^^ ㅋㅋ
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박용태 ㅋㅋ 누가 순교할지는 두고봐야할 일이죠. 아슈라백작도 나름 매력적이고 잘 싸웠으니.. 계속 애써봐요 ^^
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シブ ラル 문빠에는 매력적인 놈이 하나도 읎네..ㅎㅎㅎ 조국이두 잘생긴건 혜민급인디.. 하는짓은 온국민에게 힐링술을 쓰다가 뽀록이나 나구..ㅎㅎㅎ
Wraith Ryu
박용태 그건 거사님 생각이구.. 하긴 마군이한테 칭찬받으면 그건 보살이 아니죠 ㅋㅋ 감사해유^^
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오늘 포스팅의 요지는.. 1. 힐링은 힐링 일뿐 현실이 아니다. 2. 함부로 힐링술을 쓰다가는 조국 꼴이 난다.. ㅎㅎ 3. 힐링은 약빨이 약하다. 어제 헤민에게 열광한 사람들이 오늘 헤민에게 욕하듯이... 오늘 문재인에게 열광한 문바들은 필연코 내일 문재인을 부엉이바위위로 밀어 올릴것이다...ㅎㅎ
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에효~~ 이런 요약본까지도 맹그러 줘야 하고... 참 게룡산 도사신세 고달프네유.. 중생구제는 쉽지만 문빠구제는 정말 어렵네... ㅎㅎ
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박용태 ㅋㅋ 끝없는 뇌내망상보다는 차라리 힐링이 낫죠? 그리구 애쓰는건 거사님인것 같은디.. 파이팅!
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シブ ラル 이것도 페친이라구 문빠구제 하느라 애쓰는것은 맞어유..ㅋㅋㅋ 글고 힐링이 바로 정신승리이고 뇌내망상여유.. 뭣 좀 제대로 알고 댓글 달어유...
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박용태 정신승리 뇌내망상이 힐링이니 거사님도지금 열심히 힐링하고 계시네요. 비로소 문빠와 접점을 찾으신 듯.. 추카드려요 ㅋㅋ
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シブ ラル ㅋㅋ 정신과 의사는 환자랑 상담하지.. 같이 엮이지는 않어유^^ 뭐 떡밥이 낚시꾼과 붕어의 접점이기는 하쥬??? 떡밥이 포스팅됐다구 낼름 무는 붕어 문빠하고 뭘...ㅎㅎㅎ
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박용태 또, 또 정신승리에 뇌내망상.. ㅋㅋ '멈추면 비로소 보이게될 것이니라'. (대폭소
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シブ ラル 낚이면 비로소 보이는 것은??? ㅍㅎㅎㅎ
이지영
사람들은 이미 만들어진 상상 속 스님 상을 사랑하는 거지 있는 그대로의 혜민을 사랑하는 것은 아닌 게 핵심이겠죠. 플라스 혜민은 한국 사람들이 좋아할 것을 다 갖췄고요. 종교인들에 대한 존경이 다 그렇지요.
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상상 속 그림은 성화인데 정작 원하는 것은 힐링이라는 키치상품이었잖유^^ 지들이 원하는 훈남에 힐링 떡밥을 던져준거고... 붕어는 미끼보고 물지 사람보고 문건 아니쥬. 이제와서 사람탓하는 붕어라..ㅋㅋㅋ
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박용태 누구나 할 수 있고 하는 말을, 제복입은 자가 하면 솔깃 일반인이 하면 개소리. 세상이 그렇죠.
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정말 피땀흘려 힘들게 일하는 사람들은 힘을 받기위해 종교를 찾지만, 힘든 사람들을 받아주는 스님이 유능한 사업가셔서.,,스님이 아니라 혜민 회장님,.이라고 생각해서 댓글 남기구갑니다..ㅎㅎ혜민회장님 얼굴에서 윤기가 반짝이네여
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ㅎㅎ 알리바바 마윈에게 힐링을 받는 사람들이면, 빌게이츠와 워런버핏에게 힐링을 받는 사람들이면.. 충분히 이 젊은 친구에게 힐일을 받을 수 있쥬^^
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혜민회장님 해외로 진출하셔서 외화좀 많이 벌어오셨음 좋겠어요ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
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조하윤 ㅎㅎ 아마도 그러실 계획이 있으시겠쥬..ㅎㅎㅎ
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북한에 이런분이 많이 나와서 외화벌이좀 하신다면 그야말로 진정한 보국율사
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전경진 문제는 주체사상을 어케 힐링술로 시전하느냐가...ㅎㅎㅎ
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박용태 아, 그러네... ㅠㅠ
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그래서 재밌네라고 정도만 이야기한거여.사는방식이야 제각각이니..많이 가진 놈이 무소유를 외치는거야 석가도 그리하셨는데 뭐가 문제겠어..
그 어떤 말씀에 중생이 깨달으면 그만인거지
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넵.. 잼있쥬^^ 그런디 이 친구 사는 방식보다.. 이에 대응하는 중생들이 더 잼있어유. ㅎㅎㅎ
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박용태 . 없는놈이 무소유 외치면 씨알도 안먹히는법이지.네가 가져봐라 그런소리 할만한가하고...
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정효영 ㅎㅎ 무소유는 개인의 수행윤리가 아니라.. 사회적 보편윤리였을 때 가능한 것이쥬^^
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박용태 그렇지^^
Playing with Drogo high five, dragon high fiving a human sticker
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김은해
이분은 좀 불교쪽은 아닌것 같아요.ㅎ
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김은해 ㅎㅎ다 인연대로 가는것이지.. 불교구 아니구가 뭔 상관이겠어유^^
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옷때문에요.힐링뷴파 같아요
초원
오랜만에
페북들어와
션한글에
좋아요
꾹 누릅니다~~☕🎶🎵😁
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초원 방가워유^^ ㅎㅎ
문혜관
그정도는. 고생하는데
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문혜관 뭐가 그 정도인지.. 뭐가 고생이라는 건지 ..못알듣겠어유^^ ㅎㅎ
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박용태 박사님도 비논리로 얘기하니까 못알아 드시네요.
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불립문자 이심전심은 선문답할때만 하세유^^
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페북 댓글이 법거량두 아닌디..ㅎㅎ
송삼례
호호호
남의 여자 남의처자 남의 어린
딸을 탐 해도
괜찮은거
아닌가요?
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송삼례 ㅋㅋ 그것은 당사자들의 문제겠쥬??? 나는 힐링술사가 아니니 나한티 묻지마유..ㅎㅎ
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난 용태거사 말씀에 한표!
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ㅋㅋ 에수나 믿어유^^
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업이 없으면 허무여유^^
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박용태 짓은대로받죠ᆢ
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대체 본인이 지은 업을 하나라도 내놔볼 수 있나유??? 대체 무슨 업을 지으셨는지 그런 말씀을 하세유..ㅎㅎ
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박용태 지가짓고 지가받는것 ᆢㅎㅎ 아시면서 모든것은 내가 있어면 업도 있게죠
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조동열 킥.. 맞어유.. 그런디 무아라잖유?? 내가 없다구... 그럼 업두 없쥬??? 설마 참나가 업을 짓나유?? ㅍㅎㅎㅎ 제발 의심해보고 수행을 하세유^^
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박용태 감사합니다 ᆢ
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전 아직 법거량 능력도 없어요.박사님 댐배향도 맡을 능력도 없는데
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ㅋㅋ 인생의 담배맛도 모르면서 열반의 향냄새는 어찌 맡을라구 그러세유. ㅎㅎ
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박용태 수행정진
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빼꼼히 들여다 보고 공감합니더~ㅎ
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Rocky Lee
아직은 루머지만 차도 페라리에, 럭셔리 소수정예 호텔 헬스클럽에서 운동하고, 책 사인회에서 이름좀 써달라면 줄 안 보이냐고 면박주고, 출판사 직원들에게 책 안나가면 난리친다는데...어떤 네티즌은 그가 애플 노트북에 에어팟 쓰는거보고 자기도 에어팟 좀 써봤으면 좋겠다고 하는 글을 읽어보니 방송나와서 인지도 올리려다가 망신살, 구설수에 오를 것도 못보는 평범한 작가가 어울리지, 간화선을 강의할 깜냥은 안될지도 모른다는 느낌이 들더만요 ㅎㅎ
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이순철 아니 대체 포스팅 읽지도 않구 댓글 다나유??? ㅎㅎㅎ 그냥 힐링술사한티 희한한것 요구하는 사람들이 더 이상하다고 써놨잖어유^^
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사실 안읽고 댓글만 적은건데 그걸 알아보시다니...혜민보다 한수위시네요 ㅎㅎ
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이순철 나는 힐링술사가 아뉴... ㅎㅎ
Rocky Lee
박용태 힐링컨셉이랑은 안 어울리십니다. 컨셉은 잘 잡으셨어요 ㅎㅎ
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이순철 ㅎㅎㅎ 또 모르쥬... 피학컨셉의 변태 힐링을 원하는 소비자들이 있을지도...ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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박용태 가짜힐링이후에 킬링 강연으로 강호에 등장하심이 어떨지요 ㅎㅎ
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이순철 여기가 강호인디 어디로 등장하라는 겨유.ㅎㅎㅎ
Rocky Lee
박용태 허긴... 지금껏 수많은 신규문파들과 승부 해오셨으니 여그가 강호일수도 있겠네요 ㅎㅎ
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ㅋㅋㅋ 나는 그냥 지랄맞은 운수처사일뿐이구.. 문파하나 창립할 생각은 없으니.. 자꾸 그런것에 엮여 넣지 말어유^^. 불교 팔아서 밥벌이 할 생각이 없어시리 농사짓는 농사꾼헌티..ㅎㅎㅎ
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쌍방디스..!!!
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오석관 가을도 끝나네유^^
Seollae Kim
혜민스님처럼 되고자 출가하는 청년들이 늘지 않을까요?
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그러든지 말던지유.. 그런다고 불교가 망할것도 아니고 흥할것두 아닌디... ㅎㅎ
석광일
부러운 스님.여유잇어 시주안받고베풀수 잇어니 얼메나 조을거시여 시부럴
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석광일 그 또한 불보살의 가피인가보쥬..ㅎㅎ
석광일
구루츄
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기도팔이 복팔이 하는 목탁노동자 보다
좋더이다.
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张范重 그런디 말여유. 기도팔이 복팔이 목탁노동자라고 스스로를 자조하는 중놈들은 남의 밥 얻어먹을 생각하지 말어야쥬??? 지 좋아서 지 수행하는데 왜 남이 돈대주고 밥대주나유??? 그래도 목탁이라도 쳐주고 기도라도 해주니 남의 밥두 빌어 먹는거구 남의 돈도 얻어 쓰는거지... 남의 돈 안받고 자력 수행할 째비도 못되는 놈들이 대승 알기를 무슨 무당 푸닥거리쯤으루 알어유. ㅎㅎㅎ 그런 놈들이 바로 소승이쥬...ㅎㅎ
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수행과 공부와 고민이 전제된 상태에서 자유로운 마음으로 써 내려간 글이라는 맛이 나는군요. 잘 보았습니다.
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김승현 ㅎㅎ 그냥 승과 속의 경계문제에 헤민스님이 걸린것이구... 이런 문제는 궂이 수행까지 나갈 필요도 없는 문제이쥬.. 마치 진보와 보수.. 좌와 우의 경계문제처럼 항상 일상적으로 벌어지는 문제잖유.
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박용태 아뇽. 그냥 글에 베어있단 이야기.
송인표
대한민국 역사상 정체성이 모호한 경계인을 까부수는 시점은 딱 정해져 있죠.
지금이 그러할 때입니다. 예전 같으면 연예계 스캔들이나 가쉽거리를 내세워야 하겠지만 코로나 시대에 별로 먹힐거 같지 않거든요.
이쪽이나 저쪽이나 피차간에 더이상 싸움을 원치 않을때... 그때가 경계인들 죽이기엔 딱인거죠.
저는 이판승이든 저판승이든 사판승이든 관심없습니다.
색주가에도 저자거리에도 여념집 안방에도 불도는 존재하기 마련이니까.
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송인표 ㅎㅎ 혜민스님은 미국인과 한국인의 경계가 아니라 승과 속의 경계에 걸려 있어서 문제가 되는 것이겠쥬.^^ 이런 경계의 문제는 역사의 문제는 아닌것 같어유^^
금강박
글은 참잘써요.길어서 문제지
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이번 글은 이해도 잘돼쥬??? ㅎㅎㅎ 글이 긴게 문제가 아녀유. 이해력이 문제지..ㅎㅎ
금강박
박용태 길면 까먹는당게요 ㅎ
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금강박 이해력이 덜어지니 기억력두 덜어지는겨유..ㅎㅎㅎ 이해하면 기억하고 싶지 않아두 기억하게 돼 잇슈. ㅎㅎ
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박용태 잘잊어야 그런까 비워야 채워지죠
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금강박 그러니 항상 제자리이쥬..ㅎㅎ
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박용태 불생불멸인가봅니다.
James Chang
알지도 못하는 혜민이 땡중이라 욕햇는데 선생님 말씀 듣고보니 이해가 되네요.....이놈의 팔랑귀 ㅎㅎ
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James Chang 혜민스님두 뭐 잘한것은 읎쥬..ㅎㅎ 나같은 중생한티 쉴드받는건지 아닌지를 당하는 처지가 된것에 대한 경책이 필요하겠쥬.
Sungcheol Lee
아이고....
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이성철 뭐, 이런것 갖구 그래유..ㅎㅎ
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ㅎㅎ 이제 수행자로 돌아간다는디유??ㅎㅎ 사실 수행자는 힐링술을 함부로 시전하면 않돼유... 사실 힐링이라는 것이 개시허망한 것일수도 있거든유^^
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지친 마음에 휴식을 주기도 합니다^^
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박용태 거사님 처음 뵙지만 일필휘지.. 이럴때써도 되는지는 모르지만 참으로 글과 마음이 와닿는 군요
혜민스님은 항상 말했었습니다 자기는 장작패고 굶어가면서 깨달음을 얻고 싶지않고 전기밥솥 사용하고 노트북과 문명의이기를 사용하면서 중생들과 함께 불법을 전파하고 아프거나 힘든 마음을 어루만지는 그냥
동네 땡중 스님하고 다니는 거라고요 아직 대소유무 시비이해 이런게 문제지만 제 생각은 그렇게 듭니다 늦으시간에 죄송합니다 쉬세요.
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Vedanta for Modern World – Dr. Krishnamurthy Sastrigal

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Following is a summary of a talk by Dr. Krishnamurthy Sastrigal on the topic of “Vedanta for Modern World”. Sri. Krishnamurthy Sastrigal is the retired principal of Sanskrit College in Chennai, India. He is an eminent scholar on Vedas and other scriptures. https://advaitaonline.info/sri_krishnamurthy.php

The talk is in Tamil, a language from South India. In the following, we have provided a brief English transcript from this talk. The talk provides a collection of principles, guidance and aphorisms drawn from Upanishads considered as the essential knowledge of Vedas and hence described as Vedanta (the end or essence of Vedanta).

What is the essence of Vedantha?

Life from the view point of the soul is always wholesome, infinite bliss for everyone and everything:

ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पूर्णमुदच्यते । पूर्णस्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥ ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥

Om Poornnam-Adaha Poornnam-Idam Poornnaath-Poornnam-Udachyate | Poornnasya Poornnam-Aadaaya Poornnam-Eva-vashissyate || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||

Om, the Divine Consciousness is wholesome in nature; The entire Universe is wholesome  as it is filled with Divine Consciousness; From the Fullness of Divine Consciousness the World is manifested. Divine Consciousness is Non-Dual and Infinite; It is wholesome (cannot be divided in parts) and hence remains as wholesome as seen from its parts or as a whole. Om, Peace within, Peace outside, Peace everywhere and at all times.

Vedantha does not say, keep your eyes closed and be seated quietly.

Use all your tools and means for retaining and maintaining inner peace for yourself and promote that inner peace of everyone and everything to the best of your reach. At the same time be focused on the inner peace that comes from the reflection on the self (Athma Dhyanam)

Vedantha has only merit and it speaks of no de-merit since it is focused on the good for the self as an enabler for the good of everything external. This has to be the focus for all modern developments.

Our wants and needs should not overwhelm our satisfaction and contentment.

Vedanta = Knowledge of the Self (Athma Gnanam)

Since there is no “other”, the joy and happiness of everyone also belongs to each person.

Injunctions for modern man from Vedas:

  • Understand and use all the tools available wisely: (e.g.): Digital tools – Cell phone.
  • Consume less than you produce.
  • Understand the true nature of Athma – the SELF which directs the intellect (and our thoughts), mind (emotions and feelings) and the body (organs and perceptions).
  • Understand or establish the superiority of the Self or consciousness over our perceivable aspects of body, mind and intellect:
    • Eyes stopped working – yes, there are problems, but one can persevere with life.
    • Mouth stopped working – yes, there are problems, but one perseveres with life.
    • Ears stopped working – yes, there are problems, we can persevere with life.
    • etc.
    • But finally the life giving force (SELF or the Soul or consciousness) stopped working and decided to depart or take leave!
      • Wait a minute; everything stopped working!
      • The entire body, mind and intellect and their functions could not function!
      • On realizing this, the sense of superiority of all else vanished and the role of the “Self” – the soul, the Athman – as the enabler of everything else became evident!
  • Take the time to learn and understand that SELF (Athma):
    • One who is inside is Athma.
    • What enables you to see through your eyes is Athma.
  • True happiness is the result of the knowledge of the Self. This leads to eternal peace and happiness.
    • Examples:
      • Saint Narada enabled with all capabilities and skills was never happy with the “current” situation: His unhappiness was the result of a dissatisfied mind.
      • Advice to Duryodhana:  You don’t get sleep because:
        • You are worried about something beyond your control
        • You want something that is truly not yours (you are cunning)
        • Your mind is not in your control!
    • Contended mind leads to control in all that we do (e.g.):
      • Inner peace and harmony
      • Spending within limits.
  • Reject all that which seems to be the source of pleasure for self-driven needs (e.g.):
    • Father with mustache kissing a child: Father’s happiness makes the baby cry!
    • Ocean is merely our unrelenting collection of desires (Samsara Saagaram)
    • Living beyond means
  • Good qualities (Athma Guna):
    • Be truthful (Sathyam)
    • Be honest (Arjyam)
    • Give generously with commitment to the needy(Dhaanam):Taittiriya Upanishad (1-11-3)
      • Give/help others with commitment (Shraddaya Dheyam)
      • Do not give casually or without sincerity / commitment (Ashradhdhaya Adheyam)
      • Donate / help in plenty or as much as you can (Shriya deyam)
      • Help / Donate without a sense of fear or merely as a ritual obligation (Bhiya deyam)),
      • Give with humility or non-attachment (Hriya deyam)
      • Donate / help give with a clear knowledge of the purpose to which you are giving (Samvida deyam).
    • Be contributor not just a consumer
    • Control your mind as best as you can
    • Be self-reliant and confident of your success.
  • Develop a clear comprehension of these good qualities of the soul.
  • Two pathways to get beyond the ocean of misery:
    • Relentless pursuit and association with truth (Sath Sangh)
    • Relentless relinquishing of attachments of any kind (Sarva Thyagam)
  • Three crutches or support in this journey:
    • Knowledge (Gnanam)
    • Resulting action (Karma)
    • Performer of such actions (Kartha)
  • Knowledge and its features: Treat the world as the entire world belongs to you.
    • Everyone is part of me
    • Everything alive is part of me
    • Every object in the universe is part and parcel of me (Thath Thwam Asi).
  • How to pursue the action with the above knowledge :
    • Relentlessly (Niyatham)
    • Without self-driven attachment (Sangha Rahitham)
    • Without passion and differentiation with others (Raga Dhwesha Varjitham)
  • Who is the Performer of above actions (Kartha):
    • Muktha Sanghaha (One totally engaged in non-attachment)
    • Relentless commitment
  • What you eat does not solely belong to you.
    • Share with others including animals before taking your share of the food.
  • The eternal joy of the soul is the same for anyone and anything
    • Everything is Brahman (Everything reflects Nature and its laws: Sarvam Brahma Mayam).
    • The joy for the soul of the ant and the elephant is one and the same.
  • Wholesome life implies:
    • Tranquil knowledge (Sathvika Gyanam),
    • Tranquil activities (Sathvika Karma);
    • Tranquil person (Sathvika Kartha).
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랜디 매덕스 Randy L. Maddox, Responsible Grace: John Wesley's Practical Theology

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삼원서원에서 올해 첫 책으로 랜디 매덕스의 『응답적 은총: 존 웨슬리의 실천신학』을 출간했다. 700쪽으로 43,000원인데, 이 글을 보고 주문 메시지를 보내면 40,000원에 배송할 예정이다. 신한은행 308-06-555025 김영명

지은이 랜디 매덕스Randy L. Maddox

1953년 미국에서 태어나 노스웨스트나사렛칼리지(B.A.)와 나사렛신학교(M.Div.)를 졸업하고 에모리대학교에서 시어도어 러니언의 지도로 박사학위(Ph.D.)를 받았다.
미연합감리교회 목사이며 수폴스칼리지와 시애틀퍼시픽대학교 교수를 역임하고 2005년부터 듀크대학교의 웨슬리와 메소디스트 연구 담당 윌리엄 켈런 퀵 교수로 재직하다 2021년에 은퇴했다. 존 웨슬리 신학과 메소디즘의 연구에 탁월한 권위를 지닌 학자로 인정받았으며, 현재 존웨슬리전집 프로젝트 편집위원장과 웨슬리언연구전통센터 연구원으로 있다.
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연세대학교 철학과를 졸업(B.A.)하고 도미하여 에모리대학교 캔들러신학대학원(M.Div.), 보스턴대학교(S.T.M.), 하버드대학교(Th.M.)를 졸업하고 드루대학교에서 조직신학 전공으로 박사학위(Ph.D.)를 받았다.
연세대, 이화여대, 감신대, 한신대, 광운대 등에서 조직신학, 평화신학, 인문학적 기독교, 종교철학, 포스트모더니즘 등을 가르쳤다.
이 책은 한국 교회에 꼭 필요한 웨슬리 신학의 걸작이다!
랜디 매덕스는 존 웨슬리의 실천신학을 응답적 책임이라는 용어를 통해 세밀하고 명쾌하게 풀어냈다. 통전적 웨슬리를 통해 그리스도인의 삶과 증언을 양육하는 데 깊은 신학적 통찰을 제공한다.
이 책은 존 웨슬리와 웨슬리 해석에 이용할 수 있는 가장 포괄적이고 철저한 연구다. 주의 깊고 지적으로 그 작업을 이루었다.
- 토머스 랭퍼드, 듀크대학교 신학대학원
매덕스는 “구성적인 웨슬리언 신학”의 섬세한 부분을 한데 모았다. 이 책은 감리교 교리와 웨슬리 연구 과정의 텍스트가 될 가치가 있다. 또한 역사적이고 신학적인 정체성에 관심 갖는 모든 메소디스트 목회자는 이 책을 잘 공부해야 한다.
- W. 스티븐 건터, 에모리대학교 캔들러신학대학원
지난 몇 년에 걸쳐 “통전적 웨슬리”는 나에게 중요한 대화 상대였다. 이러한 대화들을 나누는 동안 깊은 통찰력의 찰나들뿐만 아니라 경악의 기간들이 있었다. 심오한 합의의 영역들뿐만 아니라 계속 반복되는 논쟁 이슈들이 있었다. 어떤 경우든, 나는 웨슬리가 그리스도인의 삶과 증언을 양육하는 일을 신학적으로 성찰하는 것이 무엇을 의미하는지를 보여주었다고 진심으로 확신한다.
내가 이전의 글들에서 웨슬리를 “실천신학자”practical theologian로 다시 새롭게 인정해야 한다고 주장했던 것은 바로 이런 맥락에서였다. 나의 주요 주장은 웨슬리의 신학적 활동은 대학이 등장하기 이전의 기독교적 환경과 18세기 성공회 안에 여전히 영향력이 남아 있었던 실천적 학문scientia practica으로서의 신학에 대한 접근이란 측면에서만 적절하게 이해되고 평가된다는 것이었다.
신학의 철저한 실천자란 무심한 강단신학자가 아니라 이 세상 속에서 그리스도인 제자들을 적극적으로 목양하는 목회자/신학자였다. 나는 강단신학을 개혁하려는 작금의 노력들이 웨슬리의 실천신학적 활동과 유사한 것을 요청하고 있으며, 최소한 우리의 현재의 노력들이 웨슬리의 사례를 진지하게 검토함으로써 유익을 얻을 수 있다고 생각했다.
나는 웨슬리 자신이 보기에 기독교에서 동일하게 결정적인 두 개의 진리, 즉 하나님의 은총이 없으면 우리는 구원을 받을 수 없다는 것과 반면에 우리의 (은총에 힘입었으나 강제적이지는 않은) 참여가 없으면 하나님의 은총은 구원을 하지 않을 수 있다는 것 사이의 생생한 긴장을 유지시키려는 지속적인 관심을 그의 저작들 속에서 발견할 수 있었다. 나는 이것을 “응답적 은총”responsible grace에 대한 관심으로 지칭하기로 선택했다.
그것은 웨슬리의 독특한 관심을 인간에게 보다는 하나님의 본성과 하나님의 행위에 집중시킨다. 그것은 은혜로운 용서와 능력 부여라는 하나님의 필수적인 선물이 근본적인 것임을 분명하게 하면서, 동시에 그러한 능력 부여는 인간의 책임responsibility을 무력화하기보다는 가능하게 한다는 웨슬리의 특징적인 주장을 포착한다.
하나님의 은총은 인간의 삶과 구원의 문제들에서 강력하게 역사하지만 저항할 수 없는 것이 아니며, 우리의 책임responsibility을 무력화하지 않으면서 우리의 응답-능력response- ability을 강화시킨다. 하나님의 권능에 대한 이러한 이해는 서방에서는 그리 전형적이지는 않은 반면, 동방 정교회의 핵심 강조점들과는 상당히 유사하다.
웨슬리를 멘토로 택한다는 것은 무엇을 의미하는가? 또는 어떻게 우리는 오늘날 진정 웨슬리언 신학적 활동에 참여할 수 있는가?……그것이 의미하는 것은―적어도― 그가 했던 것처럼 신학적 활동을 동시대의 그리스도인의 삶과 증언을 양육하게 하는 것이다. 나는 이것이 또한 응답적 은총이라는 지향관심을 상황에 관련된 신학적 활동으로 유도하는 것을 의미할 것이다.
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Randy L. Maddox

Dr. Randy Maddox speaking at the Wesleyan Theological Society meeting in Mt. Vernon, Ohio, in March 2015
Nationality American
Education BA, M.Div., Ph.D.
Alma mater Northwest Nazarene University
Nazarene Theological Seminary
Emory University
Occupation Professor
Known for Wesleyan Theology
Title William Kellon Quick Professor of Wesleyan and Methodist Studies, Duke Divinity School
Term July 2005-2020


Randy L. Maddox (born 1953) is an American theologian and ordained minister in the United Methodist Church. He served until 2020 as the William Kellon Quick Professor of Wesleyan and Methodist Studies at Duke University.[1] Maddox also serves as the General Editor of the Wesley Works Project, a major scholarly project responsible for producing the first comprehensive and critical edition of the works of John Wesley.[2] He is considered one of the leading authorities on both the theology of John Wesley (1703-1791) and the theological developments of later Methodism.
Education[edit]

Maddox attended Northwest Nazarene College in Nampa, ID, graduating with a B.A. degree in 1975. He went on to earn the M.Div. degree from Nazarene Theological Seminary in Kansas City, MO, in 1978. In 1982, he graduated with a Ph.D. in theological studies from Emory University.[3]
Career[edit]

After receiving the Ph.D degree from Emory University, the early years of Maddox's scholarly career were spent at Sioux Falls College in Sioux Falls, SD (now the University of Sioux Falls). While in Sioux Falls, Maddox also taught at North American Baptist Seminary (now Sioux Falls Seminary). In 1998, he joined the faculty of Seattle Pacific University as the Paul T. Walls Professor of Wesleyan Theology, a position he held for seven years.[4]

Maddox joined the faculty of Duke Divinity School at Duke University in 2005.[5]
Contributions to Wesleyan Theology[edit]
Responsible Grace[edit]

The publication in 1994 of Responsible Grace: John Wesley’s Practical Theology established Maddox as one of the foremost interpreters of the Wesleyan tradition. Maddox's work in Responsible Grace is noteworthy in aligning John Wesley's theological concerns related to the doctrine of salvation with themes characteristic of the Eastern (or Greek) Christian tradition. According to Maddox, the Western juridical tendencies in Wesley's theology (sin as guilt, grace as pardon, and salvation as being from the penalty of sin) are couched in a larger framework that owes more to an Eastern therapeutic view (sin as disease, grace as power for healing, salvation as being from the plague of sin).[6] In advancing this view of Wesley's doctrine of salvation, Maddox emphasizes the importance of sanctification within Wesley's conception of the via salutis (or “way of salvation”) as an ongoing form of spiritual maturation or growth.[7]

Maddox also brings clarity to the understanding of Wesley's theological method by describing his approach as guided by an abiding “orienting concern.” He names this orienting concern as “responsible grace,” a term that sums up many of the major dynamics of Wesley's doctrine of grace as they relate to God's initiative in salvation and the human response to God. He describes the concept of responsible grace as “an abiding concern to preserve the vital tension between two truths that [Wesley] viewed as co-definitive of Christianity: without God’s grace, we cannot be saved; while without our (grace-empowered, but uncoerced) participation, God’s grace will not save.”[8]
The Nature of Practical Theology and John Wesley as Practical Theologian[edit]

Beyond its interpretation of Wesley's soteriology, Responsible Grace also identifies John Wesley as a “practical theologian.” Maddox developed this idea for several years prior to the publication of Responsible Grace, having become convinced that the traditional dismissal of Wesley's theological writing within the academy was the result of a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of his work.[9] Rather than judging Wesley according to the canons of systematic theology, Maddox argues that he ought to be seen as engaging in practical theology—which he defines as a form of reflection that seeks “to unify the various theological concerns (tradition, Scripture, experience, reason, etc.) around the common focus of norming Christian praxis.”[10] From this understanding of the nature of practical theology, Maddox subsequently posited the notion of the “orienting concern” as the way in which consistency in theological claims is measured.[11]

In interpreting Wesley as a practical theologian, Maddox suggests that he resembles the early church fathers of the first few centuries of the Christian era (rather than the systematic theologians of the 19th and 20th centuries).[12] Wesley's theology is occasional and contextual, geared to address specific challenges and problems of the Christian life. It is typically expressed in genres such as sermons, liturgies, hymns, pastoral letters, catechetical works, and doctrinal essays.[13] Maddox argues that such theological activity ought not be seen as a lower or less important expression of theology than the highly technical theology of the modern academy. Rather, practical theology as Maddox describes it is the most characteristic mode of theology in that it is intimately connected to Christian worship and the life of discipleship.[14] Reading Wesley as a theologian in this guise means engaging Wesley's theology on its own terms—as a type of serious theological reflection engaged with the context and practice of the Christian life.
Holistic Salvation[edit]

In recent years Maddox has advanced the understanding of Wesley's doctrine of salvation as it pertains to bodily health and wholeness.[15] Modern day readers of Wesley's Primitive Physick—a manual of medical advice and folk remedies for common illnesses—often view many of its suggested “cures” as humorous. Maddox, on the other hand, has emphasized the way in which Wesley's concern for bodily health is reflective of his understanding of salvation as intended for human life in the present and as encompassing both body and soul. For Wesley, Maddox argues, the reason one would take care of one's physical health is intimately related to God's desire to save whole persons.[16][17][18] Maddox also emphasizes the way in which the Wesleyan concern for holistic salvation influenced Wesley's eschatological views as well, which has consequences both for his understanding of the New Creation as well as the place of the animal kingdom within it.[19]
The Wesley Works Project & The Center for Studies in the Wesleyan Tradition[edit]

Beginning in 1960, Methodist scholars began pursuing the development of a comprehensive and critical edition of John Wesley's corpus of writing.[20] Currently housed in the Center for Studies in the Wesleyan Tradition at Duke Divinity School, the Wesley Works Editorial Project is engaged in the publication of a projected 35-volume edition of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley. Abingdon Press is serving as the publisher for the series.

In 2003, Maddox was named as the Associate General Editor for the Wesley Works Project; and in 2014 became General Editor. He also serves as a fellow of the Center for Studies in the Wesleyan Tradition. In his capacity as the Associate General Editor, Maddox has editorial oversight of the individual volumes currently in research or production. He has personally edited Doctrinal and Controversial Treatises I in 2012, which is Volume 12 in the series and covers aspects of the theological stance of John Wesley in the area of soteriology.[21] For his work on this volume, Maddox received the 2013 Saddlebag Selection Award from the Historical Society of the United Methodist Church, given to "the outstanding book on United Methodist history or a related subject published during a given year."[22][23]

Maddox's role as a fellow in the Center for Studies in the Wesleyan Tradition has also included significant historical work with Charles Wesley's poetry and hymnody. A five-year project under Maddox's leadership was completed in 2012 that successfully compiled all the known verse from Charles Wesley's pen, both published and unpublished. This comprehensive collection of Charles Wesley's hymns and poems is the first of its kind and is intended to serve as a resource both for the study of Charles Wesley's theology and the hymnody of the Methodist tradition.[24]
Theology for the Church[edit]

While Maddox's scholarly work has primarily been focused on the interpretation of John Wesley and the later Methodist tradition (and so falls under the heading of historical theology), he has also consistently attempted to translate that work as a resource for contemporary Christian practice.[25] In this sense, Maddox serves as one of the standard bearers for the "neo-Wesleyan revival", which features renewed interest in the theology of John Wesley and the practices of early Methodism amongst Methodists and other Wesleyans from the 1960s to the present.[26]
Notable Influences[edit]

Maddox studied under Theodore Runyon at Emory University, a notable Wesleyan theologian and the author of The New Creation: John Wesley’s Theology Today.[27] Runyon was the Emeritus Professor of Systematic Theology at Emory University's Candler School of Theology.[28]

Many aspects of Maddox's interpretation of Wesley are developments of themes originally identified by Albert C. Outler (1908-1989), the influential Methodist ecumenist, theologian, and church leader of the 20th century. Some of these include the identification of Wesley as a “folk theologian,”[29] the conviction that Wesley can be seen as a theological mentor for contemporary Christian practice,[30] the conviction that Wesley's theology bears strong resembles to the Eastern Christian tradition,[31] and the methodological construct known as Outler's Quadrilateral.[32]
Bibliography[edit]

1984. Toward an Ecumenical Fundamental Theology (Chico, CA: Scholar's Press).

1990. (Ed.) Aldersgate Reconsidered (Nashville: Kingswood Books).

1994. Responsible Grace: John Wesley’s Practical Theology (Nashville: Kingswood Books).

1997. (Co-author with W. Stephen Gunter, Ted A. Campbell, Scott J. Jones, and Rebekah L. Miles) Wesley and the Quadrilateral: Renewing the Conversation (Nashville: Abingdon Press).

1998. (Ed.) Rethinking John Wesley’s Theology for Contemporary Methodism (Nashville: Kingswood Books).

2010. (Ed. with Jason E. Vickers) The Cambridge Companion to John Wesley (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press).

2012. (Ed.) Doctrinal and Controversial Treatises I, Volume 12 of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley (Nashville: Abingdon Press).

2015. (Ed. with Paul W. Chilcote) A Plain Account of Christian Perfection (Kansas City: Beacon Hill).

2018. (Ed.) The Journal Letters and Related Biographical Items of The Rev. Charles Wesley, M.A. (Nashville: Kingswood Books).

2018. (Ed. with James Donat) Medical and Health Writings, Volume 32 of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley(Nashville: Abingdon).

2022. (Ed. with S. H. Lancaster & K. D. Yates) Doctrinal and Controversial Treatises III, Volume 14 of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley (Nashville: Abingdon).

A full list of Maddox's publications, and access to digital copies of most, is available through the Divinity Archives at Duke Divinity School[33]
References[edit]
^ Randy L. Maddox faculty webpage on the Duke Divinity School website: https://divinity.duke.edu/faculty/randy-l-maddox (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Wesley Works Editorial Project webpage https://wesley-works.org/ (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Randy L. Maddox Curriculum Vitae on the Duke Divinity School website: https://divinity.duke.edu/faculty/randy-l-maddox (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Clint Kelly, “The Practical Theologian: Wesleyan Scholar of International Repute Joins the SPU Faculty,” Online Response: Seattle Pacific University’s Web Magazine for Alumni, Parents, and Friends (Autumn 1998). Online at: http://www.spu.edu/depts/uc/response/autumn98/theologian.html (accessed October 7, 2013).
^ Jonathan Goldstein, “Remembering and Renewal: Three New Wesleyan Scholars Join Divinity,” Divinity Magazine 5:1 (Fall 2005). Online at: "Divinity Online Edition - Fall 2005 Feature Article - Remembering & Renewal Three New Wesleyan Scholars Join Divinity". Archived from the original on 2011-09-30. Retrieved 2013-11-06. (accessed October 7, 2013).
^ Randy L. Maddox, Responsible Grace (Nashville: Kingswood Books, 1994), 73-87 and 143-145.
^ On the argument for using via salutis over the similar term ordo salutis, see Maddox, Responsible Grace, 157-158.
^ Maddox, Responsible Grace, 19.
^ See, e.g., Randy L. Maddox, “John Wesley—Practical Theologian?” Wesleyan Theological Journal 23 (1988): 122-147. Cf. Randy L. Maddox, “Reclaiming an Inheritance: Wesley as Theologian in the History of Methodist Theology,” in Rethinking Wesley’s Theology for Contemporary Methodism, ed. Randy L. Maddox (Nashville: Kingswood Books, 1998), 213-226.
^ Randy L. Maddox, “The Recovery of Theology as a Practical Discipline,” Theological Studies 51 (1990): 665.
^ Maddox, “The Recovery of Theology as a Practical Discipline,” 669-672.
^ “When his work is considered as a whole, Wesley’s theological activity is analogous to the early Christian approach to theology per se as a practical endeavor” (Maddox, “John Wesley—Practical Theologian?” 130).
^ Randy L. Maddox, “Reading Wesley as a Theologian,” Wesleyan Theological Journal 30:1 (Spring 1995): 26-39.
^ Maddox, “Reclaiming an Inheritance: Wesley as Theologian in the History of Methodist Theology,” in Rethinking Wesley’s Theology for Contemporary Methodism, 225.
^ See, e.g., Randy L. Maddox, “John Wesley on Holistic Health and Healing,” Methodist History 46:1 (October 2007): 4-33.
^ “Q&A with Randy Maddox,” Faith & Leadership (July 31, 2012), Online publication of Leadership Education at Duke Divinity School (LEADD). Online at: http://www.faithandleadership.com/randy-maddox-john-wesley-says-take-care-yourself (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ John Shorb, “The Holistic Vision of John Wesley: Q&A with Randy Maddox Part I,” Church Health Reader (October 25, 2010). Online at: https://chreader.org/holistic-vision-john-wesley/ (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ John Shorb, “John Wesley’s The Primitive Physick: Q&A with Randy Maddox, Part II,” Church Health Reader (February 10, 2011). Online at: https://chreader.org/john-wesleys-primitive-physick/ (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Randy L. Maddox, “Reclaiming Holistic Salvation A Wesleyan Agenda for the 21st Century,” Response 26:3 (Summer 2003). Online at: https://spu.edu/depts/uc/response/Summer2k3/holisticsalvation.html (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Detailed Description of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley: https://wesley-works.org/test-page/ (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ “New Books from Duke Divinity Faculty,” Divinity Magazine 12:2 (Spring 2013). Online at: https://divinity.duke.edu/news/divinity-magazine?page=1 (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ "Saddlebag Selection of the Historical Society of the United Methodist Church," The Historical Society of the United Methodist Church website: http://www.historicalsocietyunitedmethodistchurch.org/publications/saddlebag.php Archived 2014-01-03 at the Wayback Machine (accessed December 4, 2013).
^ "General Commission on Archives and History Hosts 2013 HSUMC Annual Meeting," Historian's Digest 53:4 (Fall 2013): 3.
^ See side bar on page: https://divinity.duke.edu/initiatives/cswt (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ Among numerous other examples, see Randy L. Maddox, "Wesley's Prescription for 'Making Disciples of Jesus Christ'—Insights for the 21st century Church," Quarterly Review 23:1 (2003): 15-28; and Randy L. Maddox, "The United Methodist Way: Living the Christian Life in Covenant with Christ and One Another," available at: https://www.umcdiscipleship.org/resources/the-united-methodist-way (accessed September 8, 2021).
^ See, e.g., Andrew C. Thompson, "Wesleyan evangelism is worth understanding," United Methodist Reporter 158:47 (March 23, 2012).
^ Theodore Runyon, The New Creation: John Wesley’s Theology Today (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1998).
^ Theodore Runyon Abingdon Press Author Page: http://www.abingdonpress.com/theodore_runyon (accessed November 3, 2013).
^ Albert C. Outler, “Towards a Re-Appraisal of John Wesley as a Theologian,” in The Wesleyan Theological Heritage: Essays of Albert C. Outler, ed. Thomas C. Oden and Leicester R. Longden (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1991), 43-44.
^ Albert C. Outler, “John Wesley as Theologian: Then and Now,” in The Wesleyan Theological Heritage: Essays of Albert C. Outler, 57-58.
^ Albert C. Outler, ed., John Wesley (New York: Oxford University Press, 1964), 9-10.
^ See Andrew C. Thompson, “Outler’s Quadrilateral, Moral Psychology, and Theological Reflection in the Wesleyan Tradition,” Wesleyan Theological Journal 46:1 (Spring 2011): 49-72.
^ http://divinityarchive.com/handle/11258/39130 (accessed September 8, 2021).


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Of special focus in this reflective overview of Wesley's theological convictions is highlighting the practical-theological dynamics of Wesley's work and suggesting possible implications for contemporary attempts to recover theology as a practical discipline. Another distinctive focus of this work is a systematic consideration of the integration of theological emphases traditionally divergent in Eastern and Western Christianity. The author also closely examines the consistency of Wesley's thought throughout his career.



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Randy L. Maddox is William Kellon Quick Professor of Church History and Wesley Studies at The Divinity School, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina; and Associate General Editor of the Bicentennial Edition of the Works of John Wesley. He is a recognized authority on both John Wesley's theology and the theological developments in later Methodism. Among his special interests are the science and religion dialogue, the nature of evangelicalism, and the theological distinctives of Eastern Orthodoxy. Maddox is an ordained elder in the Dakotas Conference of The United Methodist Church. --This text refers to the paperback edition.

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Buy "Responsible Grace" with "A Theology of Love," but if you have to choose between the two, definitely buy this one, and buy it new. Dr Maddox considers the issues addressed by Wesley's Doctrine of Holiness, and addresses the issues surrounding it's development, especially the fact that John's brother Charles differed with him on at least one issue - that of being instantaneous.

Dr Maddox is one of the clearest thinkers and teachers of holiness doctrine I know of. He carefully documents his work (over 1/3 of the work in the back are footnotes and documentation). More than that, his careful explanations and comparisons are doctrinally sound and essentially clear.

If you want more than the claims that only certain people are selected by God for His marvelous plan of rescue, and ultimately to understand the theology and basis for holiness doctrine, buy "Responsible Grace" and read it responsibly under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It's difficult to read anything with an open mind, because both authors and readers mostly approach any biblical study based on an already established slant. I find that Dr Maddox is very adept at avoiding predetermined positions and relating things as he finds them - a rare attribute that comes across openly and honestly.

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This was a wonderful breath of fresh air about John Wesley's theological approach to the core beliefs of Christianity and Methodism! I find Randy Maddox to be the most engaging Wesley scholar in our time. He has clearly done his homework and therefore is able to bring an understanding of Wesley's theological influences to the process of interpreting his very practical theological method. The footnotes take up about a third of the volume and they are as fascinating as the text itself. I have always found wading through John Wesley's sermons to be challenging and often confusing or boring. Maddox helps to bring to life Wesley's engaging theology, making it possible to imagine what the crowds of common folk came to hear when he started his field preaching. This is one of those great reference books that I return to again and again. I think it should be read by every United Methodist clergyperson and commended to all laity who really want to understand Mr. Wesley and his amazing reformation of the Church of England.

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I am thankful that Maddox has done the research needed to present a synopsis of Wesley so I do not have to. It is clear and simple. Maddox's thesis is amazing and something I will think on for a long time. I almost enjoy reading Maddox more than I do actually reading Wesley. Nevertheless, this reads like a textbook and should be treated like one. It is dense, but good.
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I am thankful that Maddox has done the research needed to present a synopsis of Wesley so I do not have to. It is clear and simple. I almost enjoy reading Maddox more than I do actually reading Wesley. Nevertheless, this reads like a textbook and should be treated like one. It is dense, but good.


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Very impressive and comprehensive scholarship on Wesley's theology, bringing together much of the previous recent scholarship on the connections between Wesley's theology and that of the Eastern Fathers of the early Church. Highly recommended for anyone who would want to get their heads wrapped around the contours of Wesley's theology and its practical applications for today.


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I found this book to be a really valuable summary of Wesley's theology. At times it was difficult to discern what was Wesley's beliefs and what was the author's, however, this was due in part to the fact that Wesley did not develop much of a systematic theology. Wesley primarily wrote and spoke to issues that were directly practical and applicatory to his congregation and audiences. This book attempts to summarize Wesley's beliefs from all his various writings and sermons.


One of the main reasons I wanted to read this books was to better understand a theological framework that significantly differed from Calvinism (which I think has influenced me both directly and indirectly over the course of my life and studies). Surprisingly, this wasn't a major emphasis of the book (there were probably 1-2 chapters devoted to topics that spoke to Wesley's differences with Calvin). However, Wesley wasn't just responding to the Calvinist viewpoint. There were many different and varying frameworks and viewpoints appearing in Wesley's time. So it actually isn't that surprising that Wesley spoke to a wide variety of topics and issues in order to shepherd his congregation.


What was very interesting to me about Wesley's life is how much his theology changed over the years (the author even splits Wesley's theological framework into 3 distinct phases: early, middle, and late/mature). This is actually quite comforting to me since it shows that even someone like Wesley didn't have things right from the beginning. God continued to santify him and mold him thorugh life experience, studying the Word, and a changing world. I have often found it easy to assume that the great Christians got their theology right from the very beginning and never had to grow or change from that point on.


The three main points I took away from the book were: God's holiness and grace; our responsibility to respond to God's grace; and the holistic work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Wesley was very concerned with God's character: his glory, power, sovereignty, love, goodness, and grace. Wesley also very clearly saw the depths of our own sin and our need for God's grace. Wesley emphasized our responsibility, not as some sort of works based salvation, but because God's grace makes our response possible both to repent and be saved as well as to continue repenting and growing in obedience. This is where the work of the Holy Spirit comes (which Wesley viewed as God's presence working in us). Wesley emphasized the need not just for spiritual restoration but also for restoration of the whole self and the whole world. And just to clarify an earlier point, Wesley viewed that God's common grace restores every person just enough so that every person has the ability to respond to God's grace. It is still God's grace that enables our response (since Wesley still definitely had a very serious view of our own depravity and sin). This was the point I found most helpful for myself in comparing Wesley's view with Calvin's.


There's obviously a whole lot more to Wesley's theology than what i just summarized (and I probably didn't do the best job of summarizing), so if this topic is of interest to you then I definitely recommend reading this book. I found the exercise helpful because it also got me thinking about other beliefs that I hold and being able to think about them more deeply.


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A clear, engaging overview of John Wesley's theology. Maddox traces the development of Wesley's thought, focusing on the emphases of different phases of Wesley's career. The motif of "responsible grace" captures Wesley's focus on God's grace, which always precedes any human response, while still insisting on the necessity of an uncoerced human response that grace.


Maddox situates Wesley among the various debates within western Christianity (Catholic, Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, etc.), showing how he often aimed for a position that tried to reconcile or transcend seemingly opposed positions. Maybe more interesting is Maddox's demonstration of Wesley's affinity with the theological outlook of Eastern Orthodoxy. Maddox says that Wesley's overriding concern was the healing or restoration of human nature to the likeness of God, similar to the Eastern concept of theosis. Maddox contrasts this with the characteristically Western "juridical" understanding of salvation, although Wesley, per Maddox, incorporated both juridical and "therapeutic" elements into his theology.


Wesley's was a "practical" theology, concerned with how theological ideas would foster growth in holiness. Maddox maintains that Wesley has been underrated for this reason, since he wasn't a traditional systematic or academic theologian. Rather, he worked out his theological ideas as the occasion required.


Reading this, I definitely came to a greater appreciation for Wesley. The motif of responsible grace strikes me as a useful organizing principle for theology. I also like the way Wesley tried to hold typically "Catholic" and "Protestant" or "Western" and "Eastern" theological elements in creative balance. Most importantly, the way Wesley places our loving response to God's love for us at the center of both theology and the Christian faith seems deeply correct.


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Maddox is a Wesleyan scholar par excellence. I appreciate Maddox’s synthesis of Wesley, comparing his thinking in early years to the mature Wesley of later adulthood. Maddox gives preference to Wesley in later years; the reader can judge whether this is the best approach in evaluating one’s life’s work. The reading is dense - at times the liveliness and confrontational nature of Wesley seems missing. Nevertheless, the thoroughness of this analysis is unmatched. The case for “responsible grace” as Wesley’s orienting concern is the thesis, and Maddox makes it convincingly.


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An excellent resource for Methodist Doctrine and Polity.


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Probably the place to begin in understanding John Wesley.


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Dense but a great exploration of Wesleyan theology.


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Maddox helps readers learn how much John Wesley's understanding of the Bible intersects with theological ideas held by the Early Church Fathers. A good correction to many contemporary Evangelical presuppositions.


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