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Philip Yancey probes the very heartbeat--the most fundamental, challenging, perplexing, and deeply rewarding aspect--of our relationship with God: prayer. What is prayer? Does it change God’s mind or ours--or both? This book is an invitation to communicate with God the Father who invites us into an eternal partnership through prayer.

In his most powerful book since What’s So Amazing About Grace? and The Jesus I Never Knew, Philip Yancey probes the most fundamental, challenging, perplexing, and deeply rewarding aspect of our relationship with God: prayer. What is prayer? How does it work? And more importantly, does it work? In theory, prayer is the essential human act, a priceless point of contact between us and the God of the universe. In practice, prayer is often frustrating, confusing, and fraught with mystery. Prayer: Does It Make Any Difference? is an exploration of the mysterious intersection where God and humans meet and relate. Writing as a fellow pilgrim, Yancey explores such questions as:

Is God listening?
Why should God care about me?
If God knows everything, what’s the point of prayer?
Why do answers to prayer seem so inconsistent and capricious?
Why does God seem sometimes close and sometimes far away?
How can I make prayer more satisfying?

"I have found that the most important purpose of prayer may be to let ourselves be loved by God," says Yancey. Prayer: Does It Make Any Difference? encourages us to pray to God the Father who sees what lies ahead of us, knows what lies within us, and who invites us into an eternal partnership--through prayer. (less)

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Aug 04, 2007Inder rated it it was amazing
Shelves: philosophyspirituality, selfhelp, read-2008
I've been running around with a book called "Prayer: Does It Make Any Difference?" in my purse for six months. When people would ask what I was reading and carrying around, I'd shuffle my feet and change the subject, too embarrassed to pull it out and share.

But I'm going public with this, because it's a good book! I apologize if the fact that I sometimes read contemporary spiritual self-help books messes with my friends' much-too-high opinions of me.

Ahem.

Yancey writes so beautifully about the discipline of contemplation and prayer - he makes me want to join a monastary (not a nunnery, nuns don't train dogs and that's my other favorite part of monk life). I kept getting choked up on BART reading beautiful stories about answered and unanswered prayers (all the while trying to keep the cover of the book hidden).

"Does he answer he question?" you ask, "Does prayer make any difference?" Well, if "um, maybe?" is an answer, he answers it. I came away from this book with a sense that hope is powerful, and it is good to cultivate a sense, almost a discipline, of gratitude in life. Also, surrender. Whether you call that "prayer" or not, and whether anyone is listening, is a different problem. But that discipline is powerful, humbling stuff.

So this is really an emotional book, not an apologetic, and it asks more questions than it answers. Like his other books, it poses a major question, and answers not with an answer, but with a CHALLENGE. I really like that. And Yancey is so aware of his faults, so honest and open about his shortcomings - I like that too, that is a strength in itself.

If you ever feel like picking up a contemporary spiritual self-help book, I recommend this one. (less)
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Jun 01, 2012Kristen rated it it was amazing
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Yancey is one of my favorite Christian authors. As a journalist, he writes to explore questions borne out of his own personal faith. He is unafraid to ask difficult questions and willing to admit that he does not always have the answers. His style draws the reader in and encourages them to journey with him, rather than trying to persuade them to a particular point of view.

I think this style works particularly well when tackling an issue as sensitive as prayer. Prayer is a fundamental part of the Christian faith, and yet (certainly in my personal experience) it's incredibly difficult to practice. Yancey's treatment of prayer is thorough and nuanced, recognizing it as something that is both incredibly personal and yet common to millions world-wide and throughout history. He reminds his readers that prayer is more than simply words or a habit that we should get into: it is a gift that is intended to bring us as humans closer to God. He is humble, honest and encouraging -- a feature of all of his books that I deeply appreciate.

This is not an easy or a quick read, but it's absolutely worthwhile. For anyone seeking to understand what prayer and faith is all about, or for established believers who want to deepen their faith, this is a must-read. I'm so glad I bought this book, as I know that, as with his other work, I will re-read it repeatedly in the future. Highly, highly recommended. (less)
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Aug 30, 20157jane rated it really liked it · review of another edition
Shelves: religion
Like it says, this book tackles the question of the usefulness of prayer, and how to do it well. There has been many reviews already, so I shall just list some things this book brings up:

- how essential it is to be as honestly ourselves as possible when we pray, and honestly express our positive and negative feelings, joy and rage, doubt and faith
- what is the point of praying, what limits there are
- to not shy away from 'wrestling with God' when we pray
- the difference that praying can make on history and on oppression (though one shouldn't expect quick results)
- does prayer change God's mind on things
- on the benefit of persistence (as seen in some parables, like the persistent widow and the judge)
- on how to choose the best personal way to pray, on using ready-made prayers (especially good if one experiences dryness)
- the obstacles to prayer; the periods of dryness
- on how to deal with unanswered prayers, with being not-healed
- what to pray for
- what benefits one gets from prayer, how our prayer helps others

But anyway, if one has difficulties in prayer, or if one doesn't - or if one just wants to read about prayer and all its sides and dimensions - this is a good book on the subject, building things steadily and not complicated at all. I feel like I've gained something from reading this though I was familiar with a lot of the subjects (and have not felt much prayer difficulties yet). This is a great book on prayer, so recommended :) (less)
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Aug 11, 2014Kate rated it liked it
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TL;DR paraphrase: "I actually have no idea, but I think yes, because [anecdotal evidence] and [quotes from the Bible], but only in certain situations and definitely not in any way that we can quantify." Which, actually, is the most honest answer I've ever had to this question. It's not a satisfying book, and it didn't suggest anything that I haven't already heard in my 30ish years within the evangelical Christian subculture, but yeah, I appreciate the candor. Sometimes "I don't know" is the only real answer. (less)
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Jan 13, 2015Jim B rated it it was amazing
Recommended to Jim by: Victor Vieth asked me to review this book
Shelves: christian, nonfiction, i-own, books-by-favorite-authors, prayer
Victims may approach a relationship with God with distrust and a lot of questions. Philip Yancey is the kind of author that communicates well to such an audience. This book on prayer is not the standard instructional manual nor the straightforward encouragement to pray. As Yancey does in his other books, he takes the questions and objections of others seriously, and admits to his own doubts and struggles. For that reason, this book may be more “in tune” with the Christian who wonders how God didn’t seem to answer a cry for help or healing. Some other books on prayer are written with solid faith that never questions and ponders before arriving at the Biblical truth. Hurting people may find that reading Yancey will remove some painful barriers to prayer.

I struggle with two common assertions about prayer. Some people credit prayer “working” when, in truth, God did all the “work” as a response to prayer. Admittedly, the Bible speaks in a similar way when it says, “The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.” (James 5:16 NIV) And neither the Bible, nor Philip Yancey can be accused of treating prayer as though prayer has a mystical power and God is not the receiver of prayer.

The other assertion some Christians make is that prayer is how you get to know God. Not: pray and learn about God from how He answers your prayers. Not: read what God says in the Bible and get to know God as you meditate on what He says. Sometimes writers assert that you pray and God speaks back to you, and you get to know God from this conversation. Yancey makes this assertion at the beginning of Chapter 5: “The main purpose of prayer not to make life easier, nor to gain magical powers, but to know God.” Isn’t prayer our side of the conversation with God? Doesn’t God’s side of the conversation come from the revelation about God on the pages of the Bible, and from experiencing how that revelation applies to our life? Yancey admits that he has not heard God’s audible voice. He admits that prayer often seems one-sided. Prayer is one-sided (unless it is defined as meditation on Scripture). Again, I admit that Yancey doesn’t define prayer as God talking to us as we talk to Him. He quotes Tim Stafford’s book Knowing the Face of God, “I am cautious in interpreting my impulses and feelings as messages from God. I do not want to take the Lord’s name in vain. I do not want to say, ‘The Lord told me,’ when in reality I heard a mental recording of my mother’s voice. I have spent any number of hours talking to God, and he has not yet answered back in a voice that was undeniably his.” (Page 56)

He talks about the experience of prayer as learning to speak to God about the world from His perspective, aligning our will with His as we pray. We begin to understand God, to know God as our prayers shift from what we want to what He wants. But I still question the statement that the “main purpose of prayer [is] . . . to know God.” Yancey doesn’t place this “knowing God” in the Scriptures, and without that explanation, will readers view prayer as the way to know God and as a result grow frustrated in the silence that follows their prayers?

To be fair to Yancey, and to challenge those who might not read his book because of such criticism (of a tiny part of the book, much counter-balanced by other statements he makes), Yancey examines prayer in such detail that many who have a simplistic view of prayer need to read his book so they stop making other false statements out of ignorance which also could frustrate those who struggle and seek God’s help. Yancey examines many questions such as the effect of a positive attitude or faith on recovery. His conclusions are far more nuanced and directed by Scripture and faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, than those who dismiss all discussion of how the body fights disease when teaching about God’s answers to prayer.

Yancey‘s kindliness to the suffering Christian who does not feel grateful, who is angry, resentful, and full of complaints was particularly moving. His consistent expressions of such grace may prove helpful and encouraging to those who have met rejection and frustration from Christians when they cry out in their pain. He mentions a mother who rejoices in the full time care of her invalid child, but then says, “By mentioning this woman I do not mean to compound the guilt of a mother who might wake up every day resenting the demands of her child . . .” (Page 280) On the pages of this book, those who still struggle may find hope for their situation in the grace of God and in God’s promises. I was struck by this comment, “If I nurse a grudge and have not the strength to forgive, I present to God that wound, along with the one who inflicted it, and ask for strength I cannot supply on my own. (Could this be why Jesus prayed, “Father forgive them . . .” from the cross rather than pronouncing, “I forgive you?”)”(Page 313) This statement is followed by a story of a woman who interpreted praying for our enemies as applying to praying for the man who molested her daughter. She said she struggled daily to forgive and worried that by forgiving she’ll minimize the pain and suffering she caused. This example of what Yancey is talking about, helps those who struggle to look closer at what Yancey just wrote about asking for strength to forgive.

The book contains many inserts – stories and comments by others that illustrate the point being made in that chapter, or provoking further thought. The inserts acted as a stimulus while reading each chapter, providing alternate voices to the authors.

A vast number of classic books have been written on prayer – and Yancey catalogs many of the most famous. While I have a couple of other favorites, I would recommend this book to anyone who, having been deeply harmed by someone, has a spiritual struggle or feels estranged from God. I’ve not encountered a book that takes this pain as seriously as this book, and provides helpful and healing responses directed at hearts that have been betrayed.

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Feb 21, 2016Emily rated it it was amazing
Shelves: religion, nonfiction, 2016
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Philip Yancey is insightful and relatable in this in-depth look at prayer. He combines his own thoughts and experiences with those of others to look at many of the doubts and questions people have about prayer. He doesn't offer easy answers, but it's a hopeful and thoughtful book, one to own and reread.
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Aug 11, 2017Dave Jones rated it it was amazing · review of another edition
Shelves: spiritual, ebooks
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This is the fourth Philip Yancey book that I’ve reviewed here on Goodreads. I have rated all of these books at 5 stars. He is becoming one of my favorite Christian authors. I believe this book outshines them all. This is a book that is simultaneously comprehensive in its research but personal in its telling. An examination of the back of the book will reveal the breadth of resources consulted. This is no dry, intellectual dissertation, however. Throughout the book he shows real, relatable, day-to-day challenges to establishing and maintaining a fulfilling prayer life.

Which of us can claim to have an outstanding prayer life? This is the discipline in which the vast majority of us struggle. Do our prayers “work?” Is there any point praying to an omniscient God who knows your requests beforehand? How do I pray? What about unanswered prayer? And so on. One of the issues that Yancey covers is what is an outstanding prayer life? How is this walked out in our very real lives? Yancey often takes – what I call – a revelation by relation approach. He lets people who have struggled with the issue at hand tell the story in their own words and how they’ve resolved it.

Yancey covers interesting topics about prayer. One that I found interesting was the study of prayer preferences of people whose profiles have been identified using the Myers-Briggs personality profiles. There is other primary research discussed. All of it is enlightening some of it very surprising.

My personal takeaways:
• Be Honest Check out the Psalms. If you just randomly thumb through them you will quickly notice that these were written by hurting, angry, vengeful, people with real issues. Often I wonder: Why did they put that one in the Bible? The short answer is that God values honesty. He also knows ALL your issues. He will not be surprised that you are mad at Him and how He chooses to do things. Your naked honesty will not catch Him off-guard. His shoulder can take EVERYTHING that you can dish out. Above all, he wants you to come to Him even (especially?) if you are angry at Him and/or disappointed with Him.

• Be Persistent Start a routine that you can live with. This book describes many different prayer styles and techniques. One common factor among those with fulfilling prayer lives is that they kept at it. Don’t worry about “doing it right.” God is not like those Olympic judges who deduct points for tiny errors. He is there and ready to listen. Your prayer life will prosper over time and, most important, your relationship with Him will deepen.

• Be Yourself Speaking for myself, it can be a little intimidating when you hear the testimonies of those who have wonderful prayer lives. They may say, “Really you just have to …” etc. They make it seem so easy. You realize as you follow their approach that you “aren’t doing it right.” Don’t torture yourself. Find a routine that works for you. This may – and probably will – involve changing and adapting that routine. The main thing is to keep referring to – and practicing – the above two steps.

The back of the book lists several resources that he references and that we can find useful as we develop our prayer walk. I encourage my Goodreads followers to scan the notes that I’ve highlighted (a wonderful feature for those of us with Kindles!). I’m sure you’ll find something that will give you pause.

This is a wonderful, life-changing book. I’m still a deeply flawed man who falls far short of God’s best for me. Lately though, I’ve been more God-conscious as I’ve been reading this. I’m hoping that I can follow my own advice and keep the communication line open and active. Please pray for me but, most of all, just pray!

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Feb 15, 2012Lisa Maxwell rated it it was ok
Shelves: bible-study
As the spring offering for my bible study group, Yancey's book was met with less enthusiasm than expected. A lot of us -- faith-filled women who have been enduring unusual hardships involving major, life-threatening health issues experienced by close family members (e.g., cancer, Alzheimer's, spinal surgery followed by life-threatening blood clots in the lungs, paralysis after a fall, and two deaths) -- really struggled with it. Had we not been so invested in one another's lives, it would have been easy to walk away from this book. It raises more questions than it answers, which further tests one's faith. It makes those of us who are comfortable (stoic?) accepting God's omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence, uncomfortable. I can honestly say that I felt reading much of this book was counterproductive rather than comforting.

Oh, it has its good parts, incidents of endurance and persistence and faithfulness that are uplifting. It reminds us that prayer is a great stress-reliever and that a "person who is at peace, surrounded by loving support, will quite literally heal better, drawing on the resources of body, mind and spirit." (p. 254) And suggests that "(u)ltimately prayer proves its power by producing changes in us the pray-ers." (p. 290). But I don't know that these are earth-shaking revelations to any maturing Christian.

Personally, I found that Parts 4 (Prayer Dilemmas) and 5 (The Practice of Prayer) were the most salient chapters of the book. But I would be reluctant to recommend it anyone of my current acquaintance, simply because I don't think it's as helpful as others, such as Brennan Manning's "Abba's Child" or "A Passionate Life," by Mike Breen & Walt Kallestad.

If you're struggling with the whys and wheretofores of prayer -- if you're angry or struggling with God -- then Yancey's "Prayer" may be a good place to start. But if you're reconciled to the fact that bad things happen to good people -- and good things happen to bad people, too -- then you might not want to invest the time in this one. (less)
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Feb 20, 2012Jane Glen rated it it was amazing
Shelves: my-top-100
Yes, I am finally finished this book. It is not something to gulp, but to chew on little bits at a time. I have underlined much and it will continue to be a go-to book for me. What I love about Yancey's writings is that he does not pretend to have all the answers. In fact, he candidly admits to many of thee questions and doubts we have, as well as sharing thoughts from letters he has received and from some of the great heroes of the Christian faith. They,too, have their struggles and questions. So what it boils down to for me is this: For some amazing reason, God actually desires a relationship with me, and the way to further that relationship is through communication, i.e. prayer. He outlines for us in the Lord's Prayer how we might pray. But prayer does not have to be an event. or prescribed for a specific time. It can and needs to be a way of living, a state of being. So when I think of you, I pray for you. I bring you before the God who already knows your every need and sorrow, and all I am doing is identifying with God in an acknowledgment of that need. We don't, nor will we ever understand or have all the answers. That is as it should be, for we are not God. Someday He will reveal to us the right side of the tapestry, not the underside which is fraught with knots and tangles and is generally messy. For me, I'm glad it isn't all up to me and that we do have a God to trust, who knows what is best. (less)
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Jun 24, 2007Greg rated it liked it
Sometimes depressing - left me with a feeling hopelessness about prayer midway through the book before pulling it out of the tailspin. Provocative, deep, sometimes depressing and sometimes hopeful, a compelling writing style never left me bored.
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Oct 12, 2010mirela Darau rated it really liked it · review of another edition
Shelves: devotionals-christian-literature, i-have-it-in-english
Quite dense and, as he calls it in the end, research-heavy!:) But worth the try and digestion! It comprises several intellectual approaches on prayer, pertinent questions and a willingness to understand and know, just to end up every time admitting that we know partly and that to understand God (if there is such a thing), another kind of perception is needed, and there is always a dose of mistery that must live with.

I loved it, loved the different points of view in it, the story - oasis, the struggle i could sense between the lines. And the more i read the more i realized it's one of those books i must read again sometime, cause there's much more left to it.

There were many bits and pieces that struck me and left me thinking and marvelling. Among them:
We are a living incompleteness. We are a gap, an emptiness that calls for fulfilment. Th. Merton

The Bible draws a strong contrast between the freedom-crushing style of evil and the freedom-respecting style of good.

I have become convinced that the phrase "Your will be done" belongs at the end of my prayers, not at the beginning.[..] I cut thus short what God wants from me that I make known my requests, and in doing so I make known myself.

I too appreciate prayer mostly in the retrospective. The prayer itself feels like work.

'Why do anything?' God could have arranged things so that our bodies nourished themselves miraculously without food, knowledge entered our brain without studying, umbrellas magically appeared to protect us from rainstorms. God chose a different style of governing the world: a partnership that relies on human agancy and choice. God granted the human species the 'dignity of causality', to borrow a phrase from Pascal. Lewis' idea:)

Regular prayer helps me to protect inner space, to prevent the outer world from taking over.

I should not try to suppress my reaction to horrorand ooutrage at evil. Nor should I try to take justice in my own hands. Rather, I should deliver those feelings, stripped bare, to God. As the book of Job, Jeremiah and Habakkuk clearly show, God has a high threshold of tolerance for what is appropriate to say in a prayer.

Apart from the requirement that we be authentic before God, there is no prescribed way to pray. Each of us presents a uniques mix of personality, outlook, training, gifts and weaknesses, as well as a unique history with church and with God.As Roberta Bondi says, 'if you are praying, you are already "doing it right"'.

I try to see the dry period as a time of waiting. After all, I gladly wait for loved ones when their planes are delayed, wait on hold for computer helpliness, wait in line for a concert I want to attend. Waiting need not kill me, it uses time in anticipation of something to come.

It is as though God knows there are questions underneath my questionsand those are the ones He answers. Lynn pg 197

I still feel inadequate - and that's why I pray. Dianne pg.199

I yearned for the kind of faith that Jesus remarked on with approval, the faith that readily believes in miracles. Alas, I never found it. I found instead a realistic faith that developed as a by-product of pending time with God -> and I'm also here now..:) good to know I'm not the only one!

Many books on prayer include a statement like this: 'God always answers prayer, but sometimes No is the answer'. I read that statement and then think of specific friends and relatives who received negative answer. Why? Were their prayer somehow deficient? pg.213

really enlightening for me: The essence of request, as distinct from compulsion, is that it may or may not be granted. And if an infinetely wise Being listens to the requests of finite and foolish creatures, of course He will sometimes grant and sometimes refuse them.[..] It is not unreasonable for a headmaster to say, 'Such and such things you may do according to the fixed rules of this school. But such and such other things are too dangerous to be left to general rules. If you want to do them you must come and make a request and talk over the whole matter with me in my study. And then -we'll see..' C.S.Lewis

If you want to see God smile, tell him your plans. old saying

pg. 236

Christianity is less a set of beliefs than a way of life, and a way of life that actually warns against absolute intellectual certainty. William Sloan Coffin pg. 238 -> indeed to me, at least, the only certainty I have is that God is, and that He is good and perfect, beautiful; actually everything he claims to. but the rest i figure out by daily living, while growing older..

I learn to pray by listening to them [the poor] and then by asking God to make me constantly available for whatever we can do to serve one another and Christ's reign. Bud pg. 261

He [Bloom] concentrated on living in the present, recognizing that the past is irremediably gone and the future is irrelevant because who knows whether it will happen or not. N o w , a fleeting instant, represents the intersection of eternity with time -> i need more of this perspective, cause i tend to live very little in the present and therefore am oblivious of many things lately.

In short, prayer allows me to see others as God sees them (and me): as uniquely flawed and uniquely gifted bearers of God's image.[..] Praying for those whom i lovegives me a glimpse of how God must feel. I cannot impose my own wishes; God, who probably could, chooses not to out of respect for human freedom. In many cases i can see behavior that needs to change for *their* sakes. [..] pg. 295

I try to be as specific as possible, praying[..] - again, not telling God anything new, but involving a third party in the relationship, a Person who cares more about each of them than I do. I ask that God will use my love and concern, my prayer, to help bring about the good that we both desire.

Prayer consists of Attention. It is the orientation of all the attention of which the soul is capable towards God. Simone Weil (less)
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Feb 13, 2020Mike rated it it was amazing
Another valuable Yancey book. I read it in 2006, so my memories of it have now faded considerably, but some notes I made at the time indicate that I thought it was encouraging and valuable.
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Apr 01, 2019Sam rated it liked it
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Philosophical book on prayer. Well written and thought provoking.
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Apr 05, 2018Christopher S. rated it did not like it
Today I finished Philip Yancey’s book entitled, “Prayer: Does It Make Any Difference?” Yancey has a very readable, approachable style and he presents as a very sincere person. But this book is not worthy of your time or attention. If I did not make myself clear, I cannot recommend this book.

This book is not bereft of some helpful devotion thoughts. That is, in fact, Yancey’s strength. He is a concise, caring writer who approaches his subject matter with enthusiasm and sincerity. The problem with this book is that Yancey’s devotional thoughts teeter on a shaky theological foundation.

I would classify Yancey as a “popular author” in Christendom today. If you think that is a compliment, I would recommend you take some time at a local Christian bookstore to peruse (but, please don’t buy) the latest popular Christian literature. You will no doubt be discouraged by the meager fare. In trying to have broad appeal, Yancey incorporates thoughts from all manner of denominations, world religions, secular philosophers, mainline Protestants, monks, nuns, Scripture (quotations omitted),etc.

Now, this widely cast net would not be a problem if Yancey had done the hard work of honing every thought under the ultimate authority of Scripture. But that is not what Yancey does. Instead, Mr. Yancey presents a veritable smorgasbord of thoughts that, very frankly, leave the reader confused about what Yancey really does believe. I cannot impugn Mr. Yancey’s motives because, of course, I do not know his heart. But his source material says allot about Yancey’s worldview.

So, what did I find most troubling about this book? Yancey’s book presents a low view of Scripture and an even lower view of God. After reading this book, I am convinced that Yancey has been heavily influenced by Open Theism. Yancey’s view of God makes God subject to our personal exercise of freedom. In discussing possession by the Holy Spirit (not a biblical turn of phrase) over against demon possession, Yancey asserts, “The Lord of the universe becomes so small, so freedom-respecting as to put himself somehow at our mercy.” (Page 85). That is not the God I recognize from Scripture.

In Chapter 8, Yancey quotes Abraham Joshua Heschel, “The universe is done. The greater masterpiece, still undone, still in the process of being created, is history. For accomplishing His grand design God needs the help of man.” (Page 101). The God of the universe, my God, does NOT need the help of any man and for Yancey to include that quotation in a Chapter entitled “Partnership” demonstrates that Yancey indeed has a low view of God.

In that same Chapter Yancey quotes theologian Clark Pinnock after observing, “Since God’s nature is love, he says God must be impressionable and sympathetic: “Because God’s love never changes, God’s experience must change.” (Page 134)

Yancey wavers between mysticism and pantheism when he asserts, “God is present in the Spirit, who groans wordlessly on our behalf and who speaks in a soft voice to all consciences attuned to him.” (Page 51). At the risk of sounding like an eastern mystic—hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Yancey quotes Henri Nowen, “”To pray is to walk in the full light of God, and to say simply, without holding back, ‘I am human and you are God.’ At that moment, conversion occurs, the restoration of the true relationship. ...” (Page 34). No, Mr. Yancey, that is NOT what conversion is and using the quotation is confusing at best and encouraging another Gospel, at worst.

Again, I must emphasize there are helpful elements of this book. But the morass of bad theology is simply not worth wading through for the occasional nugget of helpful devotional thoughts. It would be like hopping on a plane to fly 14 hours to Hawaii to swim at the beach for 10 minutes and then return home—it is NOT worth it!

Well, on to the next book. Happy reading! (less)
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Jan 31, 2017Dave Johnson rated it really liked it
A great book that present a holistic approach to prayer. It is utterly brilliant at times. I love Yancey because of his journalistic approach to theological issues that seems uninfluenced by any type of popular opinion. Too often I read books or listen to ministers only to hear them repeat what they've always heard, and they never seem to break out of the narrow paradigm of "set theology" that they just take for granted. Yancey asks questions--sometimes hard questions--and he's comfortable ...more
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Jul 23, 2011David Sarkies rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: Anybody interested in Prayer
Recommended to David by: My small group
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Another book on Prayer
10 October 2010

This is the second Phillip Yancey book that I have read and I must admit that I found his style to be very confronting. Yancey doesn't pull any punches and he tells it like it is. In fact, he really seems to have his finger on the pulse of the human condition. In this book he tackles the subject of prayer, and it is not an easy subject to tackle, but he does it very well. While not answering all the questions we may have, I must admit that I have come to understand the topic much better since finishing this book. What I can share that I have learned is that what prayer is is the way that we maintain a strong relationship with the Lord God our creator. God wants to have a relationship with us and it is through prayer, personal and intimate prayer as opposed to ritualistic prayer (though such prayer does have its place) that our relationship can grow and flourish. However, he also explores what prayer isn't, and the one thing that it isn't is some magical spell or ritual that we use to make things go our way, it doesn't, and if that is what we expect of prayer then we will be sorely disappointed. (less)
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Jan 28, 2008Daniel rated it liked it
Recommends it for: Yancey fans, people needing a book to journey with them as they think about prayer
Shelves: spiritual-formation-and-discipleshi
Yancey always delivers a solid book, he writes from his heart, thoughtfully and has a way with words shifts the readers' perspective just enough to get new insight on a topic. His books Disappointment with God and The Jesus I Never Knew are both favorites of mine.

So why the lower rating? I believe that Yancey retreads much ground that has already been tread. Maybe it reflects my current thoughts on prayer, but I'm currently drawn to books that exhort and get me to ask a lot of God. A book that reminds me to pray even though it's hard sometimes isn't exactly what is striking to me. I also feel like, having been in college and in IV, I've begun moving out of Yancey's primary readership (Christian culture/baby boomers?), so for instance my parents are loving this book right now.

Anyway, when it's all said and done, people who are struggling with the concept of Prayer and are looking for an Author who will journey with them as they think about prayer and people who love Yancey will definitely be served and appreciate this book. (less)
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Aug 14, 2018Narwhal rated it really liked it
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(This is the review I meant to upload when I finished the book last year)
Philip yancey

-too ambling
-too romantic at points aka embellished
“Human experiment” like this is not a poetry book okay
-his own interpretation too heavy like max lucado “ obviously he knew of the fathers greatness and at times reflected nostalgically on the big picture...” (50)
-but awe inspiring at times and beautiful. “God is present in the Spirit, who groans wordlessly on our behalf and who speaks in a soft voice to all consciences attuned to him”. Imagery.
-some views of prayer and relationship w God seem too humanistic and subjective...but also very relatable and personable info as a result
-is this author living too much in comfort and inching along in his faith?
-“although I replied to each of these letters, doing so left me with more questions than answers. All that follows— indeed the very existence of this book— flows out of my search for answers, and I will approach these questions from different angles as I circle the mystery of prayer” (77-78)
-quotes too many times (less)
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Philip Yancey helps reveal what two thousand years of history covered up



What happens when a respected Christian journalist decides to put his preconceptions aside and take a long look at the Jesus described in the Gospels? How does the Jesus of the New Testament compare to the new, rediscovered Jesus or even the Jesus we think we know so well?



Philip Yancey offers a new and different perspective on the life of Christ and his work, his teachings, his miracles, his death and resurrection and ultimately, who he was and why he came. From the manger in Bethlehem to the cross in Jerusalem, Yancey presents a complex character who generates questions as well as answers; a disturbing and exhilarating Jesus who wants to radically transform your life and stretch your faith.



The Jesus I Never Knew uncovers a Jesus who is brilliant, creative, challenging, fearless, compassionate, unpredictable, and ultimately satisfying. ’No one who meets Jesus ever stays the same’, says Yancey. ‘Jesus has rocked my own preconceptions and has made me ask hard questions about why those of us who bear his name don t do a better job of following him.’ (less)

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RE de Leon

Jan 02, 2011RE de Leon rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition

Recommends it for: Everyone.

Recommended to RE by: Danny and Angie Narciso

Shelves: christianity, bible-the, philip-yancey, favorites

Every now and then, a book comes along that rightfully lays claim to the feat of changing your life. And this one most certainly did. More specifically, it changed my devotional life, such that my bible reading experience has been richer ever since.



You see, I've been reading the Bible since before I even learned to read properly. So while I was very familiar with the facts of the gospel story by the time I'd read this book in 1997, I'd also grown into some very hardened preconceptions.



An example: when your first image of the Beatitudes (the first part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount as recorded in Matthew 5) is through pop-up book images and the narration of a primary-school level Sunday School teacher, you tend not to have any sense of the provocative power behind Jesus' words. By painting the context of the listeners who first heard Jesus' words, you begin to understand why Jesus was so dangerous the priests of his time felt he had to be killed.



Yancey similarly re-enlightens you in every chapter of this book, from his portrayal of Christmas as a daring invasion of "enemy occupied territory" (Yancey quotes great Christian thinkers like Augustine, CS Lewis, and GK Chesterton a lot), to his portrayal of the second coming, to his chapter on the Church as the body of Christ, a reading of Yancey's book means picking up an idea of how action packed and full of resonance to modern life the Gospel books (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) really are.



The benefits are greatest if you're already very familiar with the gospel story, though. This is a good book for beginners, but nothing beats reading the original texts first so you can get your own first impressions. If you haven't read the Gospel books through, do read through them before picking up this book. In fact, read those books before, after and while going through your copy of "The Jesus I Never Knew."



I started this review by saying this book changed my life. That's true, but indirectly so. It changed the way I see the story of the man they call Jesus, whom I acknowledge to be mankind's Messiah. Yancey's work here is like the work of an art restoration artist, brilliantly scraping away the dust and grime of modern misconceptions to show the original masterpiece.



I hope the result will make as big a difference in your life as it did mine.



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Randall Hartman

Jul 08, 2014Randall Hartman rated it did not like it

It has taken me a long time to review this book because I had a hard time stomaching it - I could only read so much before I had to put it down so I could calm down - and because I wanted to let my thoughts and feelings settle a while, reconsider them, and be careful that what I am saying is truthful and not just an emotional reaction.



This review is rather long, but since it's serious and pointed, I thought it appropriate to give facts and not simply level accusations. First I'll give some bullet points that highlight what I saw in the book, and then I'll summarize my thoughts.



Highlights of the book:

• Occasional tidbits of truth - which makes it all the more dangerous and difficult in trying to find the safe places to land while avoiding the hidden mines



• Confusing and discouraging for those seeking to know the real Jesus

– Celebrates doubt and questions as a virtue

– Rarely declares truth clearly

– Doesn't look to scripture for answers



• Degraded view of scripture

– Essentially making the Old Testament and the epistles of lower authority than the gospels

– Reliance on secular, even non-believing sources for interpretation of the Bible rather than the Bible itself

– Significant amount of unsupported speculation, many times contradictory to scripture



• Extremely critical of other Christians



• Essentially a liberal form of legalism - the rules are different, but there are still rules

• Criticizes moral standards of holiness

• Makes social activism and charity the required "must dos" of faith

• While claiming to look at Jesus as if in the first century, actually significantly interprets him by 20th century liberal theology



• Profoundly selfish – even the title is based on how he knows Jesus

– What HE thinks God should be

– What HIS doubts and questions are

– Over emphasis on supposed free will, even higher than God's sovereignty

– Over reaction to his upbringing in a legalistic, fundamentalist background, which he admits



• Sets the groundwork for false belief

– Universalism

– Social gospel

– Equating love solely with charity

– Substandard view of scripture

– Misquoting and misinterpretation of scripture



Summary:

Just to get to the point, I believe Yancey is a prime example of the false teachers that Peter and John warned the church about in their letters, and I would caution against consuming anything he writes. Scripture indicates that false teachers are dangerous because they either ignorantly or knowingly pervert the gospel and grace in the guise of teaching it. I realize that’s direct, but that’s my observation by evaluating his message based on scripture.



Related to this point is the church-bashing that is increasingly popular among him and other "progressive," so-called evangelical authors – the approach is something like, “the way traditional churches have done ‘X’ is all wrong, but now I’ve found the key or the new revelation.” This approach turns the Bible into a Rubik’s Cube to be solved rather than the complete, written, inerrant word of God that is interpreted to all believers through the Holy Spirit. And it obfuscates and discourages us from knowing God better by knowing His word, which is knowable and understandable and truthful.



I've found this method is really just cover to justify rejecting unpopular Biblical truth. Specific to this approach is an agenda against a subset of the church simply because it teaches holy living and is audacious enough to call sin what it is; he expresses this philosophy implicitly and explicitly in his writings. In this regard, his misuse of scripture is egregious - he either selectively quotes out of context or completely ignores scripture that contradicts his points. And using secular films as the basis for teaching the sermon on the mount in a college course?



Based on his popular book about grace, how he handles scripture in this book, and his overall spiritual “philosophy,” I don't believe Yancey has anything biblically sound to communicate. I have read enough of his writing so that it’s pretty clear to me that what he means by grace is not the Bible's definition, but being nice, tolerating anything except intolerance, denying the exclusivity of the gospel of Christ, failing to call people to repent of sin and believers to live holy lives, and bashing the evangelical church that sticks to the Bible. I imagine, by his definition of grace, that I am not being gracious, but I’d rather be true to God’s word than a 20th-21st century reinterpretation of what the Bible says grace really is.



After reading this book, perhaps the title should be "The Jesus I Still Don't Know," because what he presents is not the Son of God revealed in scripture, but rather a 20th century distortion. His apparent God is not the God of the Bible, but a combination of (fallen) human reason, approval of others, intellectual questioning, and license rather than holiness. That’s a false gospel, one that makes people comfortable in their sin, promotes doubt about God’s word, and ultimately leads to destruction. Therefore, he’s off my reading list, and I strongly caution my friends against his writings. (less)

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Bill

Jul 25, 2011Bill rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition

Shelves: christian-life

A very fresh look at Jesus - that is, no sign of all the preconceptions we usually have. Informative historical context, insightful commentary on our culture's interaction with the Jesus of the gospels and quite a humble writing style - Yancey seems willing to let Jesus speak to himself, and thus to his readers. So many efforts are made to reinvent Jesus, but Jesus cannot & need not be reinvented - we just need to make the effort to come to grips with him.

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Marie

Feb 21, 2008Marie rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition

Recommends it for: anyone interested in Jesus

Once again I enjoyed Yancey's thorough journalistic style combined with his ability to clearly communicate his opinion. However, I felt Yancey was talking above my knowledge on this one. My understanding and awareness of Jesus-including familiarity with Biblical history-remains at an elementary level, so many of the events and passages Yancey refers to are not crystal clear to me. In response to this I know that I need to read and study the Gospels soon. Even though I found myself tripping over many of the events, the book did give me a thorough re-introduction to Jesus and like the title indicates, I felt I was reading about the "Jesus I Never Knew."

The best thing this book did for me I found in the last chapter in which Yancey breaks down what he has learned about Jesus in several categories or impressions. Yancey points out that Jesus is a "portrait of God," and that is what ultimately intellectually turns him on to Christianity: "Books of theology tend to define God by what he is not: God is immortal, invisibile, infinite. But what is God like, positively? For the Christian, Jesus answers such all-important questions. Jesus was God's exact replica."

Also, Yancey asks himself a bold question and answers boldly, "Why am I a Christian? I sometimes ask myself, and to be perfectly honest the reasons reduce to two: 1)the lack of good alternatives and 2)Jesus. Brilliant, untamed, tender, creative, slippery, irreducible, paradoxically humble-Jesus stands up to scrutiny. He is who I want my God to be."

After reading this book I have a clearer idea about who I want my God to be. (less)

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Cindy Marsch

Mar 13, 2018Cindy Marsch rated it really liked it

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I've been reading Philip Yancey since I thought of him and Stephen Lawhead as my wise older brothers or youth leaders when they wrote for Campus Life magazine in the 1970s. Yancey's work on prayer has been an occasional dip-in-and-contemplate book in my nightstand, and I love his friendly style and devotional approach to the things he writes about. He's solid on the fundamentals of the faith but openly curious beyond that.



This title fulfilled all my hopes and I enjoyed a couple of months of bedtime reading exploring his thoughts--and mine--about Jesus. Enjoy the extracts I've highlighted below this review on Goodreads. (less)

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David Dennington

May 22, 2018David Dennington rated it really liked it

I’ve just finished THE JESUS I NEVER KNEW by Philip Yancey. I do not read many religious books. I cannot really answer why that is. I did read SEEKING ALLAH, FINDING JESUS recently, and I enjoyed that. In that book I read that the author after extensive research and receiving visions, became a Christian. I found it interesting that he told of how Muslims around the world are receiving visions of Jesus.



THE JESUS I NEVER KNEW educated me about a lot that is in the New Testament. But of course, I am left with more questions than answers. Jesus’ appearance is discussed and I found it is absolutely frustrating that He is not described at all in the Gospels. Perhaps there is a reason for that—a Divine reason perhaps?



I found it interesting how Yancey shows how Jesus was not really forceful, not on the surface at least. His power lay in His quiet confidence. He tells how the Sermon on the Mount and the words spoken by Jesus are impossible to live by—He set the bar very high. From it, I found that Jesus was perhaps setting us goals to live by, proving He was the Greatest Negotiator of all! These goals are out of our reach. They were targets to aim for and we shouldn’t feel bad when we fail, Yancey says.



I learned from THE JESUS I NEVER KNEW that Russian writers Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy, were both devout Christians. They were credited apparently with keeping Christianity alive throughout Communist rule in the Soviet Bloc, though it was underground. Probably the government never read such books.



Yancey shows a new way of looking at Jesus and understanding Him. It made me want to carefully go through the Gospels and read them thoroughly. There are disbelievers, naturally. I look at things like this: The story of Jesus’ life is a magnificent one. Even if you don’t believe it happened. But then, who would have allowed himself to be flayed raw, then nailed to a cross just to make an impression that wasn't true? And would his disciples, (knowing he was a fraud and/or a madman) also allow themselves to be tortured and killed in gruesome ways when all they had to do was to deny him (yet again!).

It’s a worthwhile read, and yes, it makes you think. (less)

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Ben Byler

Jul 19, 2016Ben Byler rated it liked it

Throughout my time reading this book, I was overjoyed to finally see a Christian author talk about Christ. For too often I found Christian authors talk about "God," but make him whatever they want him to be. The Jesus of the Gospels, however, proves very hard to limit or fit into our agendas. And he's very different from the Jesus people see from hypocritical Christians.



Jesus is amazing.



However, as much as I enjoyed this book and was about to give it 5 stars, one chapter startled me and left me very disappointed. The chapter was on the Ascension and what Jesus left behind. Instead of following the Gospel narrative as the author had done so throughout the book, he instead opted to leave out a vital part of the Christian Faith, and frankly, a part of God: the Holy Spirit.



You see, Jesus reveals the trinity, so if one focuses on Jesus, he cannot neglect the Father nor the Holy Spirit. But Yancey does just that, and partially quotes Jesus as saying, "it will be better when I leave," without then revealing the coming of the Advocate and Comforter.



This failure to mention the Holy Spirit then leads Yancey into a speculative mess about the church's dualistic history (being both great and bad) and the individual Christian's often sinful life. Yancey blissfully concludes that only God knows what pleases God, when clearly Jesus teaches us what is right and wrong and says a good tree can't bear bad fruit.



This is not to say that Christians must be utterly perfect right away, but it is to say that we should strive to be more like Christ every day. And, coming full circle, we can only become more like Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit, which I think would help Yancey's approach to life after the Ascension.



He used Peter and his denial of knowing Jesus as an example to build his case about God using messed up people for his church and kingdom, but once more, one must look at the difference the Holy Spirit made once it descended and entered into Peter. Was he perfect afterward? No, but he was definitely far better than he used to be. Likewise as Christians, we are not sinners saved by grace who still live in sin. Jesus didn't save us from death; he saved us from sin which leads to death. So therefore, once we are saved, we are sinners no more, but saints who embody God himself more and more as we love him and obey his commands.



This is the Gospel brought to life by Jesus himself, and for the most part, I highly enjoyed this book. If anything, I hope the book stirs people to discover who Jesus really is through the Gospels and encounter a love so great they drop everything to pursue him. (less)

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Cindee

Jul 20, 2016Cindee rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition

Shelves: christianity, all-time-favs

This book is a must read. I have attended church my entire life and this book completely changed the way I view Jesus, in a good way. It made me realize how much more amazing Jesus is. It took me a long time to finish the book because I kept going back and re-reading the chapters because it was just that good. I highly recommend this book.

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Sarah Nelson

Apr 10, 2020Sarah Nelson rated it really liked it

When it come to nonfiction, I love honest authors that are willing to spill their doubts & questions & seek the answers from every angle instead of echoing pat answers that have no personal meaning for them. This book did just that.

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Dave  Johnson

Sep 18, 2010Dave Johnson rated it it was amazing

a few weeks ago, i had a dream that profoundly impacted my book reading. without going into details, i was left with a desire to read about Jesus, a desire to know Jesus better. i had this book on my bookshelf already; i picked it up at a thrift store for a dollar, since i'll buy pretty much any book that looks half decent at a thrift store. i hadnt read anything about Phillip Yancey. i knew very little about him, other than his name is huge in the Christian book market. so i picked up the book.



at first, i wasnt impressed. for the first chapter or two, i thought it was a decent book. he has an obvious journalism background, and that really shapes his writing style. he interjects various quotes withing his chapters to broaden his points. he talked about the history behind Jesus. really, at first, i thought he needed to change this title to The Jesus I Kinda Already Knew Pretty Much. but then everything started changing gears. i thought this book was going to be more of a biographical story of how one man is changed by an encounter with Christ as opposed to his idea of who Jesus was and is. and, at first, i was disappointed to find that he's just reporting his research of who Jesus is from an objective point of view (if there is one). but, i dont know when or where it happened in the book, precisely, but it morphed into what i first expected, while still retaining his objective reporting. as he started to research this Jesus, his life changed. and as i read his book on his findings, so did mine.



Yancey does a great job at going through Jesus' life chronologically, his message, grace, the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, the kingdom of God, and the difference Jesus makes. the book really sucked me in, as his chapters take on a different life than i thought they would, given the titles and sections of time in the chapters.



this is a fantastic book. there really is a certain anointing so to speak that leaps from the pages of his writing. maybe it has nothing to do with the author, but the subject matter. when i read about Jesus, it is hard to not be changed. reading this book, certain things about Jesus that we highlight--almost apart from the person of Jesus--jumped out in their clarity. things like grace and faith--these are things we teach about as ideas and not something in connection to Jesus. but when i read this book, i saw these things flowing out of the person of Jesus' nature. i could probably go on and on, but in summary, this book is amazing. (less)

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Brenda

Sep 14, 2011Brenda rated it really liked it

Shelves: nonfiction, religion-philosophy

I really enjoy Philip Yancey's writing. There was nothing here that was particularly revealing or new information about Jesus, but the author seems to have a way of writing that gets your mind engaged and thinking about the topic in different ways. I'd definitely recommend this one.

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Kim

Jul 17, 2010Kim rated it really liked it

Book that seeks to discover Jesus in time and history--to observe him as he traveled and taught and ask: who Jesus was, why he came, and what he left behind complete with dusty details and descriptions that bite into what it was like to experience pursuit of God and pain, friendship and a fan-following in Galilee.



Following are my lessons learned

Why God does not force belief or display His power--

Goodness cannot be imposed externally, but most grow internally, bottom up. God’s power is internal, non-coercive. He is not a Nazi. He does not force himself on those who are unwilling, haughty, skeptical.



When I want an unambiguous God for the sake of my doubting friends, I am asking Jesus to do what Satan asked in the Temptation. Jesus way is gentler, slower. In fact, he felt helpless as he and the disciples viewed the unrepentant cities, “if only”. God insists on such restraint because no display of omnipotence will achieve a response of love. Only love can summon love. God bases his appeal on sacrificial love. That’s how love is. God’s love is “on the house.”



However, restraint by God creates opportunity for those opposed to Him. And then He is blamed for things like the Holocaust. Why blame the Parent, not the kids. God states the consequences of wrong, then throws the decision back at us. Jesus un-manipulative invitation, “Take up your cross and follow me; count the cost; whoever finds his life will lost it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” Jesus gives fair warning.



Miracles--Jesus never talked about people as though they deserved their sickness.

Jesus had not come primarily to heal bodies, but souls. When it came to miracles, Jesus priorities were different than ours. Miracles rarely encouraged long-term repentance, faith, obedience, but gawkers and sensation seekers. Messiah was not going to save the world by Band-aid solutions, but by a “deeper, darker, left-handed mystery, at the center of which lay his own death.” (Written by …). Jesus stressed the infrequency of miracles. Death, decay and entropy and destruction are the true suspension of God’s laws; miracles are the early glimpses of the restoration…Jesus miracles are the only truly ‘natural’ things in a world that is unnatural, demonized and wounded.



If Jesus had publicly claimed to be Messiah, nothing could have stopped a useless floodtide of slaughter. William Barclay.



The God Who Came Near

Jesus learned about poverty, family squabbles, social rejection, verbal abuse, betrayal, pain, unanswered prayer. Gethsemane is the story of an unanswered prayer.



God and Jesus probably both felt abandonment at the cross; sin separates.



Augustine, “You ascended from before our eyes, and we turned back grieving, only to find you in our hearts.”





What is needed to get into the Kingdom and why few make it

Happy are the blasé for they never worry over their sins, said tongue-in-cheek. If there is no God, anything is permissible. See Rwanda. Instead, dependence, sorrow, repentance are the gates to the Kingdom. Strength, good looks, money, connections and competitive instinct are blockers. Blessed are the desperate. They might just turn to Jesus. When the poor hear the Good News it sounds good and not like a scolding. The proud and self-righteous are in danger. Those who live unclean lives are in no danger of finding life satisfactory.



Tolstoy’s drive toward perfection never resulted in serenity. Do not look for human betterment, but for a vision of God penetrating a fallen world. From Tolstoy--looking to the kingdom of God, the high ideals. From Dostoevsky--the extent of Grace in the grim reality of ourselves; yet Christ himself dwells in me. I have not arrived, but there is no condemnation in Christ. There is a great distance between God and us, but we have nowhere else to land but in safety net of God’s grace



Doctrine of salvation unappealing as it idealizes a God who chooses belief over action. Sometimes the God who looks down and says, “I wish they’d stop worrying if I exist and start obeying my commandments,” seems more preferable.



It is Jesus, not his teachings that are the issue. In the end, he makes demands that only God can make. The thieves at the cross present the choice that all people in history have to make. Was the cross powerlessness or proof of God’s love?



If you don’t believe in the Resurrection, you are not a believer. Easter is how God treats those he loves; history is the contradiction. Let hope flow. The cross and resurrection give hope where there is none. We live out our days on Saturdays, the day with no name. Can God make something good out of ghettoes and prisons. Sunday is coming.



How we then should live

Jesus chose disciples not as servants but as friends to share his joy and grief.



Purity is the condition for a higher love, to possess God.



Jesus started conversation with woman at the well by asking her for help.



When a person doesn’t strike back, it decreases hatred and increases respect. Moral power can have a disarming effect.



Life to the full comes when we take a stand for justice, minister to the needy, pursue God, not self. But never to feel pity for the needy. For they seem to be more fully alive, not less.



“The worship of success is generally the form of idol worship which the devil cultivates most assiduously.” (Thielicke). There is a compulsion to success using miracle and authority and mystery. The church often borrows these tools.



Whatever activism I get involved in, it must not drive out love and humility. Whenever Church intermingles with State, the appeal of the faith suffers as well. Our mission is to communicate God’s reconciling love, which is what Christ came to demonstrate.



Sinners often feel unloved by the church that keeps altering what sin is. Jesus did the opposite.



Jesus was always thinking about others. On the cross he forgave his killers, arranged care for his mother, welcomed the thief.



Tolstoy, “Attack me, I do this myself, but attack me rather than the path I follow and which I point out to anyone who asks me where I think it lies. If I know the way home and am walking along it drunkenly, is it any less the right way because I am staggering from side to side! … Do not be glad that I have got lost, do not shout joyfully: “Look at him! He said he was going home, but there he is crawling into a bog!” No, do not gloat, but give me your help and support.”



The departed Landlord will return and there will be hell to pay. However, in the meantime, God has not absconded. He is here as the poor, hungry, sick, prisoner. We cannot help God directly, so the poor are his ‘receivers.” (Jonathan Edwards) Believing the poor to be Jesus, we would treat them with awe, respect, and love and tell them about our lives. (like in the movie, Whistle Down the Wind). God knew there’d be the poor. His long-term plan is to come back and straighten out planet earth. His short-range plan is for the church to continue the liberation until his return.



Do you ever just let God love you?



In Response to criticism of the Church

During the plagues, Christians helped the suffering, while the rest ran for their lives.



In our bodies, he begins again the life he lived on earth. Jesus healing, grace, good news can now be brought to all through the Church. The church can be ugly. But Jesus chose us. And we have brought some light. And in that the church is ugly, it is only a reflection of human nature individually. Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the church. He did not speak of the church as that in which to find hope.

What you seem actually to demand is that the Church put the kingdom of heaven on earth right here now…You are asking that man return at once to the state God created him in, you are leaving out the terrible radical human pride that causes death…The Church is founded on Peter who denied Christ three times and who couldn’t walk on water by himself. You are expecting his successors to walk on water… All human nature vigorously resists grace because grace changes us and the change is painful…To have the Church be what you want it to be would require the continuous miraculous meddling of God in human affairs. (Written by Flannery O’ Connor)



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Klaus Nielsen

Aug 06, 2019Klaus Nielsen rated it it was amazing

Simply the best book about Jesus I have ever read

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Jim Keating

Jun 10, 2018Jim Keating rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition

A deep read. Every sentence was powerful. Highly suggest reading this book. We studied over several sessions with a small study group.

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Summer

Mar 14, 2012Summer rated it liked it

I really did like this book, so why only three stars? It was good, but I didn't really walk away with anything new or profound, which I suppose is a good and comforting thing. I enjoyed studying who Christ was on Earth, getting to know how he acted and talked with other people. I loved his references to other authors like Tolstoy, CS Lewis, Flannery O'Connor, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, and others.



Perhaps the thing I enjoyed the most, which is odd, is how honest Yancey is about his thoughts and what he believes... and more importantly (to me), what he doubts. It seems as though he and I were raised in the same church, and I'd love to read more of what he's written since I'm pretty sure he approaches topics from a similar perspective as mine.



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