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Deep ecology is an environmental philosophy which promotes the inherent worth of all living beings regardless of their instrumental utility to human needs, plus the restructuring of modern human societies in accordance with such ideas.

Deep ecology argues that the natural world is a complex of relationships in which the existence of organisms is dependent on the existence of others within ecosystems. It argues that non-vital human interference with or destruction of the natural world poses a threat therefore not only to humans but to all organisms constituting the natural order.

Deep ecology's core principle is the belief that the living environment as a whole should be respected and regarded as having certain basic moral and legal rights to live and flourish, independent of its instrumental benefits for human use. Deep ecology is often framed in terms of the idea of a much broader sociality; it recognizes diverse communities of life on Earth that are composed not only through biotic factors but also, where applicable, through ethical relations, that is, the valuing of other beings as more than just resources. It is described as "deep" because it is regarded as looking more deeply into the actual reality of humanity's relationship with the natural world arriving at philosophically more profound conclusions than those of mainstream environmentalism.[1] The movement does not subscribe to anthropocentric environmentalism (which is concerned with conservation of the environment only for exploitation by and for human purposes), since deep ecology is grounded in a quite different set of philosophical assumptions. Deep ecology takes a holistic view of the world human beings live in and seeks to apply to life the understanding that the separate parts of the ecosystem (including humans) function as a whole. The philosophy addresses core principles of different environmental and green movements and advocates a system of environmental ethics advocating wilderness preservation, non-coercive policies encouraging human population decline, and simple living.[2]

Origins[edit]

In his original 1973 deep ecology paper,[3] Arne Næss stated that he was inspired by ecologists who were studying the ecosystems throughout the world. In a 2014 essay,[4] environmentalist George Sessions identified three people active in the 1960s whom he considered foundational to the movement: author and conservationist Rachel Carson, environmentalist David Brower, and biologist Paul R. Ehrlich. Sessions considers the publication of Carson's 1962 seminal book Silent Spring as the beginning of the contemporary deep ecology movement.[4] Næss also considered Carson the originator of the movement, stating "Eureka, I have found it" upon encountering her writings.[5]

Other events in the 1960s which have been proposed as foundational to the movement are the formation of Greenpeace, and the images of the Earth floating in space taken by the Apollo astronauts.[6]

Principles[edit]

Deep ecology proposes an embracing of ecological ideas and environmental ethics (that is, proposals about how humans should relate to nature).[7] It is also a social movement based on a holistic vision of the world.[1] Deep ecologists hold that the survival of any part is dependent upon the well-being of the whole, and criticise the narrative of human supremacy, which they say has not been a feature of most cultures throughout human evolution.[6] Deep ecology presents an eco-centric (earth-centred) view, rather than the anthropocentric (human centred) view, developed in its most recent form by philosophers of the Enlightenment, such as Newton, Bacon, and Descartes. Proponents of deep ecology oppose the narrative that man is separate from nature, is in charge of nature, or is the steward of nature,[8] or that nature exists as a resource to be freely exploited. They cite the fact that indigenous peoples under-exploited their environment and retained a sustainable society for thousands of years, as evidence that human societies are not necessarily destructive by nature. They believe a different economic system must replace capitalism, as the commodification of nature by industrial civilization, based on the concept of economic growth, or 'progress', is critically endangering the biosphere. Deep ecologists believe that the damage to natural systems sustained since the industrial revolution now threatens social collapse and possible extinction of the species. They are striving to bring about ideological, economic and technological change. Deep ecology claims that ecosystems can absorb damage only within certain parameters, and contends that civilization endangers the biodiversity of the earth. Deep ecologists have suggested that the optimum human population on the earth, without fossil fuels, is 0.5 billion, but advocate a gradual decrease in population rather than any apocalyptic solution.[9] Deep ecology eschews traditional left wing-right wing politics, but is viewed as radical ('Deep Green') in its opposition to capitalism, and its advocacy of an ecological paradigm. Unlike conservation, deep ecology does not advocate the controlled preservation of the landbase, but rather 'non-interference' with natural diversity except for vital needs. In citing 'humans' as being responsible for excessive environmental destruction, deep ecologists actually refer to 'humans within civilization, especially industrial civilization', accepting the fact that the vast majority of humans who have ever lived did not live in environmentally destructive societies - the excessive damage to the biosphere has been sustained mostly over the past hundred years.

In 1985 Bill Devall and George Sessions summed up their understanding of the concept of deep ecology with the following eight points:[10]

  • The well-being of human and nonhuman life on earth is of intrinsic value irrespective of its value to humans.
  • The diversity of life-forms is part of this value.
  • Humans have no right to reduce this diversity except to satisfy vital human needs
  • The flourishing of human and nonhuman life is compatible with a substantial decrease in human population.
  • Humans have interfered with nature to a critical level already, and interference is worsening.
  • Policies must be changed, affecting current economic, technological and ideological structures.
  • This ideological change should focus on an appreciation of the quality of life rather than adhering to an increasingly high standard of living.
  • All those who agree with the above tenets have an obligation to implement them.

Development[edit]

The phrase "Deep Ecology" first appeared in a 1973 article by the Norwegian philosopher Arne Næss,[3]. Næss referred to 'biospherical egalitarianism-in principle', which he explained was 'an intuitively clear and obvious value axiom. Its restriction to humans is … anthropocentrism with detrimental effects upon the life quality of humans themselves... The attempt to ignore our dependence and to establish a master-slave role has contributed to the alienation of man from himself.'[11] Næss added that from a deep ecology point of view "the right of all forms [of life] to live is a universal right which cannot be quantified. No single species of living being has more of this particular right to live and unfold than any other species".[12] As Bron Taylor and Michael Zimmerman have recounted, 'a key event in the development of deep ecology was the “Rights of Non-Human Nature” conference held at a college in Claremont, California in 1974 [which] drew many of those who would become the intellectual architects of deep ecology. These included George Sessions who, like Naess, drew on Spinoza’s pantheism, later co-authoring Deep Ecology - [Living as if Nature Mattered] with Bill Devall; Gary Snyder, whose remarkable, Pulitzer prize-winning Turtle Island proclaimed the value of place-based spiritualities, indigenous cultures, and animistic perceptions, ideas that would become central within deep ecology subcultures; and Paul Shepard, who in The Tender Carnivore and the Sacred Game, and subsequent works such as Nature and Madness and Coming Home to the Pleistocene, argued that foraging societies were ecologically superior to and emotionally healthier than agricultur[al societies]. Shepard and Snyder especially provided a cosmogony that explained humanity’s fall from a pristine, nature paradise. Also extremely influential was Edward Abbey’s Desert Solitaire, which viewed the desert as a sacred place uniquely able to evoke in people a proper, non-anthropocentric understanding of the value of nature. By the early 1970s the above figures put in place the intellectual foundations of deep ecology.'[13]

Sources[edit]

Science[edit]

Deep ecology is an eco-philosophy derived from intuitive ethical principles. It does not claim to be a science, but is based generally on the new physics, which, in the early 20th century, undermined the reductionist approach and the notion of objectivity, demonstrating that humans are an integral part of nature - a concept always held by primal peoples [14][15] Duvall and Sessions, however, note that the work of many ecologists has encouraged the adoption of an ecological consciousness, quoting environmentalist Aldo Leopold's view that such a consciousness changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land community to plain member and citizen of it.[16] Though some detractors assert that deep ecology is based on the discredited idea of the 'balance of nature', deep ecologists have made no such claim. They do not dispute the theory that human cultures can have a benevolent effect on the landbase, only the idea of the control of nature, or human supremacy, which is the central pillar of the industrial paradigm. The tenets of deep ecology state that humans have no right to interfere with natural diversity except for vital needs: the distinction between vital and other needs cannot be drawn precisely. [17] Deep ecologists reject any mechanical or computer model of nature, and see the earth as a living organism, which should be treated and understood accordingly.[18]

Philosophy[edit]

Arne Næss used Baruch Spinoza as a source, particularly his notion that everything that exists is part of a single reality.[19] Others have copied Næss in this, including Eccy de Jonge[20] and Brenden MacDonald.[21]

Aspects[edit]

Environmental education[edit]

In 2010 Richard Kahn promoted the movement of ecopedagogy, proposing using radical environmental activism as an educational principle to teach students to support "earth democracy" which promotes the rights of animals, plants, fungi, algae and bacteria. The biologist Dr Stephan Harding has developed the concept of 'holistic science', based on principles of ecology and deep ecology. In contrast with materialist, reductionist science, holistic science studies natural systems as a living whole. 'We encourage … students to use [their] sense of belonging to an intelligent universe (revealed by deep experience),' Harding has written, 'for deeply questioning their fundamental beliefs, and for translating these beliefs into personal decisions, lifestyles and actions. The emphasis on action is important. This is what makes deep ecology a movement as much as a philosophy.'[22]

Spirituality[edit]

Næss criticised the Judeo-Christian tradition, stating the Bible's "arrogance of stewardship consists in the idea of superiority which underlies the thought that we exist to watch over nature like a highly respected middleman between the Creator and Creation".[12] Næss further criticizes the reformation's view of creation as property to be put into maximum productive use.

Criticisms[edit]

Eurocentric bias[edit]

Guha and Martinez-Allier critique the four defining characteristics of deep ecology. First, because deep ecologists believe that environmental movements must shift from an anthropocentric to an ecocentric approach, they fail to recognize the two most fundamental ecological crises facing the world today, 1) overconsumption in the global north and 2) increasing militarization. Second, deep ecology's emphasis on wilderness provides impetus for the imperialist yearning of the West. Third, deep ecology appropriates Eastern traditions, characterizes Eastern spiritual beliefs as monolithic, and denies agency to Eastern peoples. And fourth, because deep ecology equates environmental protection with wilderness preservation its radical elements are confined within the American wilderness preservationist movement.[23] Deep ecologists, however, point to the incoherence of this discourse, not as a 'Third World Critique' but as a critique by the capitalist elites of third world countries seeking to legitimise the exploitation of local ecosystems for economic gain, in concert with the global capitalist system. An example of such exploitation is the ongoing deforestation of the Amazon in Brazil under President Jair Bolsonaro.[24]

Knowledge of nonhuman interests[edit]

Animal rights activists state that for an entity to require intrinsic rights, it must have interests.[25] Deep ecologists are criticised for insisting they can somehow understand the thoughts and interests of non-humans such as plants or protists, which they claim thus proves that non-human lifeforms have intelligence. For example, a single-celled bacteria might move towards a certain chemical stimulation, although such movement might be rationally explained, a deep ecologist might say that this was all invalid because according to his better understanding of the situation that the intention formulated by this particular bacteria was informed by its deep desire to succeed in life. One criticism of this belief is that the interests that a deep ecologist attributes to non-human organisms such as survival, reproduction, growth, and prosperity are really human interests. Deep ecologists counter this criticism by the assertion that intelligence is not specific to humans, but a property of the totality of the universe of which humans are a manifestation.[26]

Deepness[edit]

When Arne Næss coined the term deep ecology, he compared it favourably with shallow ecology which he criticized for its utilitarian and anthropocentric attitude to nature and for its materialist and consumer-oriented outlook,[27] describing its "central objective" as "the health and affluence of people in the developed countries."[28] William D. Grey believes that developing a non-anthropocentric set of values is "a hopeless quest". He seeks an improved "shallow" view.[29] Deep ecologists point out, however, that shallow ecology - resource management conservation - is counter-productive, since it serves mainly to support capitalism - the means through which industrial civilization destroys the biosphere. The eco-centric view thus only becomes 'hopeless' within the structures and ideology of civilization. Outside it, however, a non-anthropocentric world view has characterised most 'primal' cultures since time immemorial, and, in fact, obtained in many indigenous groups until the industrial revolution and after. [30] Some cultures still hold this view today. As such, the eco-centric narrative is in not alien to humans, and may be seen as the normative ethos in human evolution.[31] Grey's view represents the reformist discourse that deep ecology has rejected from the beginning.[32]

Misanthropy[edit]

Social ecologist Murray Bookchin interpreted deep ecology as being misanthropic, due in part to the characterization of humanity by David Foreman of Earth First!, as a pathological infestation on the Earth. Bookchin mentions that some, like Foreman, defend misanthropic measures such as organising the rapid genocide of most of humanity.[33]

In response, deep ecologists have argued that Foreman's statement clashes with the core narrative of deep ecology, the first tenet of which stresses the intrinsic value of both nonhuman and human life. Arne Naess suggested a slow decrease in human population over an extended period, not genocide.[34] Bookchin's second major criticism is that deep ecology fails to link environmental crises with authoritarianism and hierarchy. He suggests that deep ecologists fail to recognise the potential for human beings to solve environmental issues.[35]

In response, Deep Ecologists have argued that industrial civilization, with its class hierarchy, is the sole source of the ecological crisis.[36] The eco-centric worldview precludes any acceptance of social class or authority based on social status.[37] Deep ecologists believe that since ecological problems are created by industrial civilization, the only solution is the deconstruction of the culture itself.[38]

Sciencism[edit]

Daniel Botkin concludes that although deep ecology challenges the assumptions of western philosophy, and should be taken seriously, it derives from a misunderstanding of scientific information and conclusions based on this misunderstanding, which are in turn used as justification for its ideology. It begins with an ideology and is political and social in focus. Botkin has also criticized Næss's assertion that all species are morally equal and his disparaging description of pioneering species.[39] Deep ecologists counter this criticism by asserting that a concern with political and social values is primary, since the destruction of natural diversity stems directly from the social structure of civilization, and cannot be halted by reforms within the system. They also cite the work of environmentalists and activists such as Rachel CarsonAldo LeopoldJohn Livingston, and others as being influential, and are occasionally critical of the way the science of ecology has been misused.[40] Naess' concept of the equality of species in principle reflects an ethical view of the disproportionate consumption of natural resources by a single species. This intuitive observation is born out by the current perilous environmental situation.[citation needed]

Links with other philosophies[edit]

Peter Singer critiques anthropocentrism and advocates for animals to be given rights. However, Singer has disagreed with deep ecology's belief in the intrinsic value of nature separate from questions of suffering.[41] Zimmerman groups deep ecology with feminism and civil rights movements.[42] Nelson contrasts it with "ecofeminism".[43] The links with animal rights are perhaps the strongest, as "proponents of such ideas argue that 'all life has intrinsic value'".[44]

David Foreman, the co-founder of the radical direct-action movement Earth First!, has said he is an advocate for deep ecology.[45][46] At one point Arne Næss also engaged in direct action when he chained himself to rocks in front of Mardalsfossen, a waterfall in a Norwegian fjord, in a successful protest against the building of a dam.[47]

Some have linked the movement to green anarchism as evidenced in a compilation of essays titled Deep Ecology & Anarchism.[48]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up to:a b Smith, Mick (2014). "Deep Ecology: What is Said and (to be) Done?"The Trumpeter30 (2): 141–156. ISSN 0832-6193. Retrieved 12 May 2018.
  2. ^ John Barry; E. Gene Frankland (2002). International Encyclopedia of Environmental Politics. Routledge. p. 161. ISBN 9780415202855.
  3. Jump up to:a b Næss, Arne (1973). "The shallow and the deep, long-range ecology movements. A summary" (PDF)Inquiry16 (1–4): 95–100. doi:10.1080/00201747308601682ISSN 0020-174X. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2016-08-10. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
  4. Jump up to:a b Sessions, George (2014). "Deep Ecology, New Conservation, and the Anthropocene Worldview"The Trumpeter30 (2): 106–114. ISSN 0832-6193. Retrieved 12 May 2018.
  5. ^ Arne, Naess; Rothenberg, David (1993). Is it Painful to Think?. University of Minnesota Press. p. 131-132.
  6. Jump up to:a b Drengson, Alan; Devall, Bill; Schroll, Mark A. (2011). "The Deep Ecology Movement: Origins, Development, and Future Prospects (Toward a Transpersonal Ecosophy)"International Journal of Transpersonal Studies30 (1–2): 101–117. doi:10.24972/ijts.2011.30.1-2.101.
  7. ^ Stephan Harding 'Deep Ecology in the Holistic Science Programme' Schumacher College.
  8. ^ Lynn Margulis 'Animate Earth'
  9. ^ 'This does not imply misanthropy or cruelty to presently existing humans' Deep Ecology for the 21st Century Ed. George Sessions p.88
  10. ^ Devall, Bill; Sessions, George (1985). Deep Ecology. Gibbs M. Smith. p. 70. ISBN 978-0-87905-247-8.
  11. ^ Naess, Arne (1973). "The Shallow and the Deep, Long-Range Ecology Movement. A Summary". Inquiry: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Philosophy16 (1–4): 95–96.
  12. Jump up to:a b Næss, Arne (1989). Ecology, community and lifestyle: outline of an ecosophy Translated by D. Rothenberg. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 166, 187. ISBN 0521344069LCCN 88005068.
  13. ^ Taylor, B. and M. Zimmerman. 2005. Deep Ecology" in B. Taylor, ed., Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature, v 1, pp. 456–60, London: Continuum International.
  14. ^ The Intuition of Deep Ecology by Warwick Fox, quoted in 'Deep Ecology' by Duvall/Sessions 1985 p.90
  15. ^ Wholeness & The Implicate Order by David Bohm 1980 p.37
  16. ^ we are only fellow-voyagers with other creatures in the odyssey of evolution, Aldo Leopold quoted in 'Deep Ecology' by Duvall/Sessions 1985 p.85
  17. ^ Andrew McLaughlin 'The Heart of Deep Ecology' in 'Deep Ecology for the 21st Century' ed. George Sessions p87
  18. ^ There are no shortcuts to direct organic experiencing Morris Berman, quoted in Deep Ecology by Bill Devall and George Sessions 1985 p.89
  19. ^ Naess, A. (1977). "Spinoza and ecology". Philosophia7: 45–54. doi:10.1007/BF02379991.
  20. ^ de Jonge, Eccy (April 28, 2004). Spinoza and Deep Ecology: Challenging Traditional Approaches to Environmentalism (Ashgate New Critical Thinking in Philosophy). Routledge. ISBN 978-0754633273.
  21. ^ MacDonald, Brenden James (2012-05-14). "Spinoza, Deep Ecology, and Human Diversity -- Schizophrenics and Others Who Could Heal the Earth If Society Realized Eco-Literacy"Trumpeter28 (1): 89–101. ISSN 1705-9429.
  22. ^ Stephan Harding 'Deep Ecology in the Holistic Science Programme' Schumacher College (undated)
  23. ^ Guha, R., and J. Martinez-Allier. 1997. Radical American Environmentalism and Wilderness Preservation: A Third World Critique. Varieties of Environmentalism: Essays North and South, pp. 92-108
  24. ^ The Guardian, http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/environment/deforestation-of-amazon-rainforest-soars-under-bolsonaro/article/553369#ixzz6RR8tTsOZ
  25. ^ Feinberg, Joel"The Rights of Animals and Future Generations". Retrieved 2006-04-25.
  26. ^ 'The Spell of the Sensuous' by David Abram P262
  27. ^ Devall, Bill; Sessions, George. Deep Ecology: Environmentalism as if all beings mattered. Retrieved 2006-04-25.
  28. ^ Naess, Arne (1973). "The Shallow and the Deep, Long-Range Ecology Movement. A Summary". Inquiry: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Philosophy16 (1–4): 95.
  29. ^ "Anthropocentrism and Deep Ecology by William Grey".
  30. ^ The Spell of the Sensuous by David Abrams.
  31. ^ Deep Ecology by Duvall/Sessions 1985 p.97
  32. ^ Deep Ecology by Duvall/Sessions 1985 p.52
  33. ^ name="Bookchin 1987"
  34. ^ Deep Ecology for the 21st Century Ed. George Sessions 1995 p.88
  35. ^ Bookchin, Murray (1987). "Social Ecology versus Deep Ecology: A Challenge for the Ecology Movement"Green Perspectives/Anarchy Archives.
  36. ^ Endgame by Derrick Jensen, Vol 2, 2006 p.18
  37. ^ Arne Naess The Shallow and the Deep Long Range Ecology Movement. 1973
  38. ^ Endgame by Derrick Jensen, Vol 2, 2006
  39. ^ Botkin, Daniel B. (2000). No Man's Garden: Thoreau and a New Vision for Civilization and Nature. Shearwater Books. pp. 42 42, 39]. ISBN 978-1-55963-465-6.
  40. ^ The Shallow and the Deep Long Range Ecology Movement by Arne Naess, 1973
  41. ^ Kendall, Gillian (May 2011). The Greater Good: Peter Singer On How To Live An Ethical LifeSun Magazine, The Sun Interview, Issue 425. Retrieved on: 2011-12-02
  42. ^ Alan AtKisson. "Introduction To Deep Ecology, an interview with Michael E. Zimmerman"In Context (22). Retrieved 2006-05-04.
  43. ^ Nelson, C. 2006. Ecofeminism vs. Deep Ecology, Dialogue, San Antonio, TX: Saint Mary's University Dept. of Philosophy
  44. ^ Wall, Derek (1994). Green HistoryRoutledgeISBN 978-0-415-07925-9.
  45. ^ David Levine, ed. (1991). Defending the Earth: a dialogue between Murray Bookchin and Dave Foreman.
  46. ^ Bookchin, Murray; Graham Purchase; Brian Morris; Rodney Aitchtey; Robert Hart; Chris Wilbert (1993). Deep Ecology and Anarchism. Freedom Press. ISBN 978-0-900384-67-7.
  47. ^ J. Seed, J. Macy, P. Flemming, A. Næss, Thinking like a mountain: towards a council of all beings, Heretic Books (1988), ISBN 0-946097-26-7ISBN 0-86571-133-X.
  48. ^ Deep Ecology & Anarchism. Freedom Press. 1993.

Bibliography[edit]

  • Bender, F. L. 2003. The Culture of Extinction: Toward a Philosophy of Deep Ecology Amherst, New York: Humanity Books.
  • Katz, E., A. Light, et al. 2000. Beneath the Surface: Critical Essays in the Philosophy of Deep Ecology Cambridge, Mass.: MIT Press.
  • LaChapelle, D. 1992. Sacred Land, Sacred Sex: Rapture of the Deep Durango: Kivakí Press.
  • Passmore, J. 1974. Man’s Responsibility for Nature London: Duckworth.
  • Taylor, B. and M. Zimmerman. 2005. Deep Ecology" in B. Taylor, ed., Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature, v 1, pp. 456–60, London: Continuum International.
  • Clark, John P (2014). "What Is Living In Deep Ecology?". Trumpeter: Journal of Ecosophy30 (2): 157–183.
  • Hawkins, Ronnie (2014). "Why Deep Ecology Had To Die". Trumpeter: Journal of Ecosophy30 (2): 206–273.
  • Sessions, G. (ed) 1995. Deep Ecology for the Twenty-first Century Boston: Shambhala.

Further reading[edit]

  • Gecevska, Valentina; Donev, Vancho; Polenakovik, Radmil (2016). "A Review Of Environmental Tools Towards Sustainable Development". Annals of the Faculty of Engineering Hunedoara - International Journal of Engineering14 (1): 147–152.
  • Glasser, Harold (ed.) 2005. The Selected Works of Arne Næss, Volumes 1-10. SpringerISBN 1-4020-3727-9. (review)
  • Holy-Luczaj, Magdalena (2015). "Heidegger's Support For Deep Ecology Reexamined Once Again". Ethics & the Environment20 (1): 45–66. doi:10.2979/ethicsenviro.20.1.45.
  • Keulartz, Jozef 1998. Struggle for nature : a critique of radical ecology, London [etc.] : Routledge.
  • Linkola, Pentti 2011. Can Life Prevail? UK: Arktos Media, 2nd Revised ed. ISBN 1907166637
  • Marc R., Fellenz. "9. Ecophilosophy: Deep Ecology And Ecofeminism." The Moral Menagerie : Philosophy and Animal Rights. 158. Champaign: University of Illinois Press, 2007.
  • Sylvan, Richard (1985a). "A Critique of Deep Ecology, Part I.". Radical Philosophy40: 2–12.
  • Sylvan, Richard (1985b). "A Critique of Deep Ecology, Part II". Radical Philosophy41: 1–22.
  • Tobias, Michael (ed.) 1988 (1984). Deep Ecology. Avant Books. ISBN 0-932238-13-0.

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Thinking Like a Mountain provides a context for ritual identification with the natural environment, inviting us to begin a process of "community therapy" in defense of Mother Earth. It helps us experience our place in the web of life, rather than on the apex of some human-centred pyramid. An important deep ecology educational tool for both groups and personal reflection.

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This book of readings, meditations, rituals and workshop notes prepared on three continents helps us remember that environmental defense is nothing less than "Self" defense. Including magnificent illustrations of Australia's rainforests, Thinking Like a Mountain provides a context for ritual identification with the natural environment, inviting us to begin a process of "community therapy" in defense of Mother Earth. It helps us experience our place in the web of life, rather than on the apex of some human-centred pyramid. An important deep ecology educational tool for activist, school and religious groups, Thinking Like a Mountain can also be used for personal reflection.

Thinking Like a Mountain has been made available through New Catalyst Books. New Catalyst Books is an imprint of New Society Publishers, aimed at providing readers with access to a wider range of books dealing with sustainability issues by bringing books back into print that have enduring value in the field. For more information on New Catalyst Books click here.

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John Seed continues to direct the Rainforest Information Centre and raise funds for cutting-edge environmental activists and groups in South America, Asia, Africa and the Pacific. Most years he visits North America or Europe offering workshops and presentations. He has made several new films and collections of environmental music, and been honoured by the Australian government with an OAM-Order of Australia Medal-for services to conservation and the environment. You can email John at johnseed1@ozemail.com.au for information about his forthcoming workshops, or find updated information at www.rainforestinfo.org.au.

Joanna Macy is a scholar, eco-philosopher, teacher and activist from Berkeley, California. She is the author of 8 books including Coming Back to Life and Widening Circles and has also produced a 3-DVD set entitled The Work that Reconnects.

Pat Fleming lives and works on Dartmoor, Devon, UK, where her passions include researching, growing, writing about and advising on medicinal plants. Over many years she has run a range of courses, trainings and events relating to earth-care, including deep ecology events, organic and biodynamic growing, and growing and using plants for medicine. A poet herself, she published Moor Poets-Volume One in 2004, which draws together voices from all over Dartmoor, including from men inside HMP Dartmoor prison, to speak out for the wild in poetry. Contact Pat at pat@wylde.gn.apc.org, or see www.wylde.gn.apc.org.

In 2006 Arne Naess was 94 years old. The Selected Works of Arne Naess (SWAN) is now available as a complete, boxed set. Information about SWAN is available from Springer Publishers (www.springeronline.com). Arne's last publication in English was Life's Philosophy: Reason and Feeling in a Deeper World (University of Georgia Press, 2002).

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5.0 out of 5 stars An inspiring antidote
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This is a wonderful and inspiring book that provided much needed encouragement for both my personal and broader engagement with Global Climate Change.
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My "aha!" moment in this short and not at all new book came when John Seed says that the refusal to change everything right now that we all have with the problems the planet faces is not from apathy but despair.

"Experience with group work has shown that this despair, greef and anger can be confronted, experienced and creatively channeled. Far from being crushed by it, new energy, creativity, and empowerment can be released."
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5.0 out of 5 stars Echoes of the Ancient Wisdom of the Earth
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"Thinking Like a Mountain" is an elegant tapestry of writings, poems, and observations which plumb the depths of Ecological Philosophy. This little book is a labor of love,crafted skillfully, with fascinating illustrations that convey the harmony, complexity, and uniqueness of the Natural World.

the Reoccurring Theme which is centeral to this book is that in order for Humans to be Balanced and Functional, it is necessary that they open themselves and learn to develop an increased sensitivity to the incredible diversity and richness of Nature. Within this context the Human Self, over time, becomes gradually transformed into the "Ecological Self" in an intricately and infinitely bonded universe within which the boundaries between Humans and their Ecological Selves become merged and indistinguishable from each other.

From the different, yet complementary perspectives of the three authors, the reader will come to realize that "whatever befalls the Earth befalls the sons of Earth," and that Man himself does not "weave the Web of Life" but instead exists as a mere "strand" within this interactively intricate web.

This is a simplistic, yet profound, book of "Discovery," where we learn that Gaia is becoming increasingly aware of Herself, and the intricate cycles and interactions of her countless Life-Forms within the Global Biosphere. For anyone who loves Nature, and wishes to better comprehend the philosophical interactions between Humans and Natural World, this book will prove to be a rich resource for both Mind and Spirit. Elliott Maynard, Arcos Cielos Research Center.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Highly recommended.
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I was gifted this book as a teenager nearly 20 years ago. It transformed my philosophical outlook and paved way to my adulthood, educational path, and ultimately career path. At risk of sounding cliche, it was a book that changed my life. I don't know if it would have been as transformative if I had read it at a different stage in life; however, I would still recommend the book. It's a quick and meditative read.
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5.0 out of 5 stars We are the rocks dancing
Reviewed in the United States on December 6, 2007
The book is a collection of unique essays, essays with a single aim in mind - to spark a radical expansion of human consciousness. With a lofty goal as this, how does it fair? How deep is deep ecology? How vital is it, given the current massive environmental decline? Should we be concerned with the earth? These are some of the questions that will be tackled in this volume. To begin with, let us look into the text itself. Midway into the text, the reader is intentionally awed by an imposition of a radically different view of himself: "What are you? What am I? Intersecting cycles of water, earth, air and fire, that's what I am, that's what you are" (John Seed 1988, 41). The best way to characterize the text in a couple of words is - meditations on the earth. However, saying these words invariably undercuts the intricacy of exquisite poetic alliterations, metaphoric presence and a penetrating gaze, that the authors invoke on each page. Their work began in Australia, as a small grass-roots circle that held environmental rituals. They traveled, published, inspired, protested, performed, they traveled again. A journey of commitment to something beyond individual goals, their personal stories and essays seem more unified than a story of one man's life. The resulting book is filled with a sense of unceasing directed education, education that transcends classrooms and all conversation - powerful, meaningful words, cerebrally integral to the human being, penetrate the reader, and it is impossible to remain indifferent to the message.
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I did a workshop once years ago. This is a great book.
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5.0 out of 5 stars inspiring
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this book helps me to reconnect with myself, other living beings, and the earth. it includes beautiful poems and exercises.
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5.0 out of 5 stars A nice introduction to an extremely important topic
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Behind the abundant dry term “deep ecology” lies the only conclusive holistic approach to conceive ourselves as individuals, as species and in our involvement in this world. This booklet would not necessarily be my recommendation for the “theoretical-academic” introduction to the topic - for this I recommend “The Deep Ecology Movement: An Introductory Anthology”, which bundles many basic texts - but “Thinking Like a Mountain” impresses with a narrower but very coherent and all the more versatile compilation, which also includes poetic texts, and thus perhaps also enables a smoother entry. I find

particularly valuable that the guide for Joanna Macy's “Council for all Beings” is included here, a great workshop concept, with which we can re-expose our inner attachment to natural creation as part of a group work, which in most of us can be found through the hostile mechanisms of our materialistic consumer society.
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Thinking Like a Mountain: Towards a Council of All Beings
by John Seed, Joanna Macy, Pat Fleming, Arne Næss
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Thinking Like a Mountain provides a context for ritual identification with the natural environment, inviting us to begin a process of "community therapy" in defense of Mother Earth. It helps us experience our place in the web of life, rather than on the apex of some human-centred pyramid. An important deep ecology educational tool for both groups and personal reflection.
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Dec 25, 2019Michelle rated it liked it
This book is a collection of essays and poems aimed at a sort of newly created ritual called a "Council of all beings", as part of Joanna Macy's process that goes by the name "the work that reconnects". It's a noble goal, I think - to help us humans become more vibrantly aware of our connection to the Land, to all beings, both animate and inanimate. And some of the writings in the book are quite beautiful.

My issue with this book - and with the other things I've read about the work that reconnects - is that all the writings I've seen dwell deeply and almost exclusively in the pain of our loss, in our terror at the ongoing destruction of our world. And these are important fears, important sorrows, ones we need to acknowledge and, somehow, try to process so we can function. But no solutions are offered. No joy is shared. There's nothing here - nothing - to give us the kind of audacious hope required to get up, day after day, and TRY. All I feel from it is an intense hurt and fear of what is happening to the planet - and I'm well aware of that every day on my own. What we need, now, is ideas of new ways to act, new ways to operate in the world. Maybe these things are offered at the conferences and events that are lead by this group, but I don't find them in any of my readings from them.

Still, it's a good thing to try to cultivate empathy for the non-human world in humans, and there are some lovely pieces in this little collection. (less)
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Philippa
Feb 20, 2012Philippa rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
A poetic evocation of all creatures of the earth. Through prose and poetry, the 10 or so writers invite us to connect deeply with the earth and with all life, in order to restore the imbalance that we humans have created in the world.
The Council of All Beings (of the subtitle) is something I first heard of when reading Starhawk (The Fifth Sacred Thing, I think), and it sounds like a very powerful ritual.
After reading this you can never think of yourself as separate from nature. It shows how anthropocentric we have become, to our detriment, and shows new ways of relating to other beings and the earth herself. (less)
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Jan 11, 2009linda rated it it was amazing
WoW - I love this book!
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Thinking like a Mountain towards a Council of all Beings by John Seed, ,Joanna Macy, Pat Fleming and Arne Naess This is a collection of essays, meditations, poetry and guidelines for group workshops called “A Council of all Beings”. The name “Thinking like a Mountain” is taken from a chapter in “A Sand County Almanac” written by Aldo Leopold (Forester and Ecologist) back in 1948. He wrote that unless we as humans can identify with the eco-system and “think like a mountain” disaster is inevitable. John Seed writes about his experience when he first became aware of his feelings about his connection to the earth. Feelings as he puts it, that we all have and the necessity that we all have to tap into this consciousness (knowing) in order to stop the destruction of the earth. He ponders and questions how to bring forth these realizations in order to awaken us to actively fight and defend life on earth. Joanna Macy is an activist in movements for peace and justice. She addresses the issue of despair and empowerment in her workshops. From discussions, emerged the “Council of all Beings” a form of group work which as she puts it prepares and allows people to hear “within themselves” the sounds of “the earth crying”. “It is a form which permits people to experience consciously both the pain and the power of their interconnectedness with all life”. The Council of all beings refers to a set of group processes and practices of which ritual enactment is a part. The work of the Council of all Beings is about confronting the despair and numbness and apathy that we feel, and to integrate, and to creatively channel it, and which empowers us to action on peace and or environmental issues. The other root of the Council of all Beings is the philosophy about nature called “Deep Ecology”. Deep Ecology questions the fundamental premises and values of contemporary civilization.. Pat Fleming runs trainings and events relating to “Earth Care “including deep ecology events, organic and biodynamic growing, and growing and using plants for medicine . Arne Naess, coined the term “Deep Ecology” in 1972 to express the ideas that “nature has intrinsic value, value apart from its usefulness to human beings”, in other words deeply felt spiritual connections to the earths living systems, and ethical obligations to protect them. I consider this book to be a little gem. It is usefull and inspirational . It is a book that I would pass down to my children. It is a book that makes the case and helps to remind me of my spiritual connection to mother earth, and interconnectedness to all life. I have had the opportunity to participate in a “Council of all Beings” workshop. The experience deepened my awareness, and belief in the idea that we are all one really, .and that we need to work together for peace. I do not know how this connects directly to the work that I do at Casa, except perhaps in an indirect way. When I become aware of my interconnectedness to the earth I also become aware of the larger community , of a larger self, and I realize that the only way that I can make a difference in the world is by taking direct action. I am taking direct action when I educate, teach and make available resources and information that empower community, and this can only help the cause for peace and justice (less)
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Gus Johnson
Nov 13, 2019Gus Johnson rated it it was amazing
John Seed helped save our NSW Australia Northern Rivers rainforests from Cedar cutting and clearing; rare and exceptional ecosystems now with World Heritage protection. John explored how and why our culture is so destructive, how did we lose our way that we can authorise, vote for and participate in such irresponsible and emotionless destruction of unique precious ecosystems and diverse life. John's research led him to meet, learn from and collaborate with fellow thinkers and conservationists including Professor Arne Naess, Joanna Macy and Pat Fleming. In so doing they discovered that our violence indifference and destructiveness in part derives from a disconnection from the natural world from where we evolved. Where once we needed to value and protect our environment in order to survive, our security now lies in our technology and economy, aspects totally dependant on a healthy planet. That collaboration and insight led them to produce this book.

Observing indigenous rituals and lore, the authors developed lessons, practices and exercises that help individuals and groups to reconnect to country, nature, even God if you interpret meaning, purpose and life that way. I commend this book to any who wish to better themselves, grow in wisdom, joy and compassion and protect this precious vulnerable and much endangered living world we share. (less)
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Při čtení jsem si připomněla, proč jsem si knihu před 10 lety pořídila - hledala jsem spojení s přírodou. Měla jsem zrovna deprese. Tahle kniha mi pomohla. Přestala jsem vnímat smrt jako něco konečné a něco, čemu musím běžet naproti, nebo se toho bát. Začala jsem vnímat svět okolo jako různé projevy Země a lidi jako jinou formu projevu vesmíru (materialisticky), a tak i já jsem jen kus vydělený z přírody, prozatím, než zemřu. Tahle myšlenka mě uklidňovala, a doteď mi pomáhá, a tahle kniha ji umocnila, nebo možná mě k ní přivedla. A jednou za čas je příjemné ji zase vytáhnout. (less)
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Dan Power
May 17, 2020Dan Power rated it liked it
This is a real mixed bag - part meditation, part eco theory, part poetry and part biography, all from a bunch of different writers.... there are some parts which are v inspiring and beautiful, and other parts which are a bit dull or even a bit egotistical (which really jars with a lot of the book's transcendental pre-post/humanist vibee), and the book not knowing exactly what it's trying to be is sometimes exciting and sometimes a bit tiring. Some very good and some not very good, but overall an interesting read! (less)
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Diana
Jun 17, 2018Diana rated it it was amazing
In this age of pipelines and hopelessness, this is a book worth rereading, especially if you need to experience, and then get past, your grief.

Expect an emotional meltdown, and expect a broadened perspective that takes in past and future generations and our evolution as biological creatures.

My hope is that people everywhere will hold Council of All Beings sessions to reignite their commitment to creating the just and green future we want.
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Michelle Keiser
Apr 23, 2019Michelle Keiser rated it it was amazing
Deeply moving, touching a subject that is incredibly important to humankind. There is a deep need to rekindle our connection with the earth on a level that goes beyond intellect. I recommend this book to every human being.
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Joseph Carrabis
Aug 01, 2017Joseph Carrabis rated it it was amazing
I first read this book as part of my anthropology studies and promised myself I'd read it again (kept it on an easy to reach bookshelf). Although it's a typical western cultural paradigm questing for more, it's still an entertaining read from the time when neo-shamanism and neo-paganism thrived.
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Dani Scott
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Beautiful. Poignant. Relevant, fortunately and not, still.
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Naomi
Sep 05, 2011Naomi rated it liked it
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Not what I expected, but a useful, insightful book nonetheless. Should one plan to conduct such a retreat, however, this would be a five-star book. I had just hoped for more ecological essays, especially less familiar ones.
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"Threat of extinction is the potter's hand that molds all forms of life."--p.38

I thought I would enjoy this book more, but it sort of fell flat. I really can't see myself responding to the type of ritual development that this book proposes.
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Brian
Jul 16, 2014Brian rated it it was ok
Some of the pieces in this collection were thought-provoking. Some of them, especially the ritualistic, may not be everyone's cup of tea.
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Sasha
Sep 04, 2008Sasha rated it did not like it
Naess' essay is very good.
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Mark
Aug 14, 2014Mark rated it liked it
Meant as a guide to leading a Council of All Beings, this book was useful to me as a way to imagine one, to understand a bit more about the idea.
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Feb 13, 2008Rissa rated it it was amazing
Amazing!
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I thought this book sounded really interesting and my type of book. But I really couldn't get into it and didn't really enjoy it.
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Arne Naess - video dailymotion: Portrait of the Norwegian philosopher Arne Naess and the Deep Ecology Movement. Made in 1997 by Rerun Productions, The Netherlands. Shot on location in Naess's hut Tvergastein on the Hardangervidda mountain plateau, and in Berkeley, USA. With Bill Devall, Vandana Shiva, George Sessions, Helena Norberg-Hodge, and Harold Glasser.

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8월초에 번역한 <생명으로 돌아가기>가 며칠전 2쇄를 찍었습니다. 초판을 찍은뒤 4개월만입니다. 어려운 출판시장에서 다행스러운 입니다. 이 책은 저희가 전환사회운동의 일환으로 기획한 책입니다.

더불어 책의 메시지인 <거대한 전환>의 희망을 만들려는 에너지가 퍼져나가길 바랍니다. 이 책을 통해 기후위기가 두려움과 공포가 아니라 개벽의 대전환을 이루는 "축복받은 불안"의 메신저가 되길 기대합니다.



이 책은 이은주선생님이 번역했고, 제가 감수랍시고 역자를 많이 고생시켰습니다. 다행히 제17회 불교출판문화상에서 <수향 번역상>을 수상했습니다. 본래 12월 4일(금) 오후 4시 시상식을 하려고 했지만, 코로나 19의 확산으로 행사는 취소되었습니다.

그리고 불교환경연대의 녹색불교교육원 원장이신 재마스님이 10월 11일부터 매주 일요일 12시-5시까지 매일 5시간씩 4회에 걸쳐 진행하는 <생명으로 돌아가기>강독과 Practice 워크샵도 잘 마쳤습니다.
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유영희 축하드립니다. 소피가 읽으면 3쇄죠. 조금만 기다려주십시요~^^
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여정재훈 축하합니다.
읽는 1인으로 뿌듯합니다. 워크샵도 다시 열리길 기대해 봅니다. 27일간동안 온라인책읽기한 멤버들이 알려 기뻐 할 것 같습니다
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수지행자 축하축하축하~~~
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Sejin Pak 영어책 가지고 있는데 아직 못 읽었습니다. 책들이 줄지어 저를 기다리고 있어서. ㅋ. 순위를 조금 바꾸어 다음 번에 읽으려 하고 있습니다. 저는 현재 불교 공부를 하고 있으니, 이 책의 불교의 면이 궁금하여 검토해보려 생각합니다.

김윤호 더이상 죽음이 두렵지 않게 되었어. 그런데 지금은 말야, 삶이 두려워...

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얼마 전 도반스님이 찾아와 저에게 공부에 대한 이런 저런 얘기들을 털어놓았습니다. 그러면서 말합니다.

“스님, 내가 예전까지는 죽음이 두려웠거든. 그런데 재작년부터 공부가 익어가면서 이제 더이상 죽음이 두렵지 않게 되었어. 그런데 지금은 말야, 삶이 두려워...

도반 스님이 말을 듣고 잠시간 침묵의 시간을 가졌습니다. 선정에도 곧잘 들고, 전체라는 인식이 익었으며, 눈앞이 분명하고, 자신의 몸에 대한 실체화의 관념에서도 상당 부분 벗어났음에도 불구하고, 삶이 두려워진다는 것을 이해하지 못할 분이 계실지도 모릅니다. 죽음에 대한 두려움에서 벗어난다는 것은 태어남과 죽음이 더 이상 자신의 주된 문제가 되지 않는다는 것을 뜻합니다. 그렇게 생사의 문제가 어느 정도 가셨다고 해서, 그것이 온전히 생사의 문제가 해결되었다는 것을 뜻하는 것은 아닙니다. 생사에 대한 실체화에서 벗어나면, 이제 다음 단계가 남았기 때문입니다.

바로 다시 생사로 들어가는 것입니다.

그런데 이 공부가 사실 실체화로부터 벗어나는 공부보다 훨씬 어렵습니다. 생사로 들어간다는 것은 실체로 다시 들어간다는 것이 아니라, 실체없는 실체로 다시 들어가는 것이기 때문입니다. 전체에 대한 인식이 생겨, 생사의 문제로부터 한편으로 자유로워졌음에도, 그것은 여전히 반쪽짜리 자유입니다. 왜냐하면 그것은 생사의 문제에서 벗어나는 자유였기 때문입니다. 하지만 진정한 자유는 벗어나는 것이 아니라, 그 모든 인연과 조건에 자유롭게 걸려들어가는 자유이기 때문입니다.

생사와 삶에 대한 실체화는 벗어났으되, 실체없는 인연의 흐름으로서 삶은 여전히 이어지고 있습니다. 이 흐름이 바로 삶으로 펼쳐지고 있기 때문에, 삶으로 제대로 온전하게 들어가는 것이 바로 그 다음의 공부입니다. 옛 선사들도 공부가 어느정도 무르익은 학인들에게는 좌선의 시간을 줄이라 하였습니다. 오히려 사람들을 많이 만나고, 다채로운 경험도 해가고 하면서 공부가 익어나가야 한다고 말했습니다. 이것을 보림(保任)이라고 합니다. 보호하여 임한다는 뜻인데, 실체없음이란 깨달음을 잘 보호하면서, 삶의 경계나 흐름에 잘 임한다는 뜻입니다.

<서장>에서 대혜스님이 동봉거사에게 보낸 편지에 이런 글귀를 남긴 적이 있습니다.

“더듬어 찾지 못하는 곳에서 잡을 곳을 잃어버리면, 비로소 조주 노인이 말한 ‘출가하기 이전에는 깨달음에 부림을 당했는데, 출가한 뒤에는 깨달음을 부린다’를 알게 될 것입니다.”

동봉거사를 독려하는 대혜스님의 말씀이나 뜻을 이해는 하면서도 한편으로 숨한번 작게 내쉬기도 합니다. 그렇게 잡을 곳을 잃어버렸다고 해서 깨달음을 부린다는 말을 곧잘 이해할 수 있는 것은 아니기 때문입니다. 깨달음 자체에는 깊이라는 게 없을 것이나, 사람의 공부가 익어가는 정도에는 깊이라는 게 있습니다. 잡을 곳을 완전히 잃어버린다면, 지금껏 살아온 삶의 수완이나 지혜로써 혹 곧잘 깨달음을 부릴 수도 있겠으나, 이것은 지극히 희소한 확률입니다. 삶으로 익어가는 데 시간이 따로 필요하기 때문입니다. 대부분의 공부인이 잡았다 놓치고, 보았다 흐려지고 하는 과정을 반복하기 때문입니다. 저 역시도 그랬습니다. 이것이 공부인지 뭔지도 모르는 과정을 접한 10대 중반 무렵부터 이 과정이 무수하게 반복되었기 때문입니다. 하지만 지금에야 돌이켜보면 압니다. 그러한 시행착오들이나 반복되는 과정들이 실상 삶으로서 온전히 익어지기 위한 담금질이었다는 사실을 말입니다.

도반스님이 삶이 두렵다는 말이 알기 때문에 침묵한 것입니다. 태어남과 죽음의 문제가 어느정도 가셨다고 해도, 삶은 여전히 이어집니다. 지금껏 생사의 문제를 해결하는 데에만 골몰했지만, 막상 생사의 문제가 사라지고 잡을 곳을 잃어버리니, 그렇게 확연해보였던 목표가 사라져버리게 되었으니, 눈앞에서 이전과 다를 바 없이 펼쳐지는 삶의 경계 경계가 전혀 생경하게 다가오면서 두려워지기도 하는 것입니다. 아직은 힘을 얻지 못한 것입니다. 삶을 원만하게 운용하고, 경계에 자연스럽게 녹아들어가는 여유가 없는 것입니다. 여기엔 별 수가 없습니다. 그래저 저는 도반스님에게 삶을 어떻게든 잘 살아내는 수밖에 없다고 말해주었습니다. 그렇게 삶을 살아내며 자신의 깨달음도 돌이켜보고, 경계마다의 대처도 점검하고 하면서 점차로 삶이 잘 익어지는 과정을 치러낼 수밖에 없다고 말입니다.

고인이 말했습니다.

열반의 마음은 밝히기 쉬워도, 차별의 지혜는 밝히기 어렵다.
涅槃心易曉 差別智難明

차별없음이나 실체없음을 알기나 체험하기는 쉽습니다. 하지만 그 차별없는 차별로서, 실체없는 실체로서의 삶의 흐름으로 지혜롭게 녹아들어가는 것이 훨씬 어려운 것입니다. 사실 이것이야말로 진짜 수행이니 말입니다. 차별없음을 말하거나 깨닫는 것이 수행이 아닌 것은 아니나, 진정한 수행이란 이 차별없는 차별을 인연에 알맞은 차별의 방편으로서 원만하게 굴리는 것입니다.

이것이 제가 작년 봄에 영입한 친구, 금강송 관솔 단주 조계(照界)를 굴리는 이유입니다. 삶의 경계경계를 잘 비추어내면서, 또한 삶의 순간순간을 잘 굴려내겠다는 원력을, 이 조계라는 단주에 심었던 것입니다. 남들에게는 단지 나무로 만든 단주일지 모릅니다. 하지만 저에게는 원력을 다지고 굴리는 수행 도반입니다. 그렇기에 이름도 지어준 것입니다. 그러면서 조계를 굴립니다.

쓰윽쓰윽... 쓰윽쓰윽...

2020/11/28

동학의 천 사상 님사상

 남진 허님이 모두에게:  11:31 AM

오늘 저의 발표문입니다.

황명희님이 모두에게:  11:56 AM

죄송합니다ㅠ

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  11:56 AM

*^^*

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  12:08 PM

보기 좋습니다~ㅎㅎ

남진 허님이 모두에게:  12:08 PM

내가 미치 미치

남형수님이 모두에게:  12:14 PM

다운 받은 자료가 열리지 않는데 어떻게 하면 될까요?

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  12:16 PM

지금 발표되는 피피티 말씀이신가요? 제가 다시 올려볼게요.

Soon Young Lee님이 모두에게:  12:41 PM

지금 발표해 주시는 분에 텍스트를 올려 주실 수 있는지요

cool3091@daum.net 이성호님이 모두에게:  12:41 PM

마이크가 자꾸 울립니다.

김재익님이 모두에게:  12:42 PM

소리가 겹쳐서 들려요 ㅜㅜ

Soon Young Lee님이 모두에게:  12:45 PM

Thanks.

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  12:47 PM

듣기가 불편해서 나가야겠습니다.

허남진님이 모두에게:  12:58 PM

아 제가 공동 연구실에서 발표를 하다보니 목소리가 울렸나보네요.. 죄송합니다.

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  12:59 PM

다시 잘 들렸습니다. ^^

조성환님이 모두에게:  01:00 PM

발표자들은 채팅방도 체크를 해야겠어요^^

허남진님이 모두에게:  01:00 PM

그러게요..

조성환님이 모두에게:  01:03 PM

발언 안하시는 분들은 음소거 해주세요^^

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  01:12 PM

날개님, 음소거해주세요

cool3091@daum.net 이성호님이 모두에게:  01:27 PM

선생님들의 강의 잘 들었습니다. 두 가지 질문이 있습니다. 첫째, 지구종교학, 지구 생태학, 지구시민 개념들이 분명히 인간중심주의를 넘어서는 장점을 가지고 있습니다. 그런데 우주의 관점에서는 지구는  작은 행성에 불과한데 또다른 중심주의가 될 위험성은 없는지 궁금합니다.

나로부터 모두에게:  01:28 PM

김단아선생의 발표 슬라이드도 올려주시먄 감사하겠습니다. 

cool3091@daum.net 이성호님이 모두에게:  01:33 PM

두 번째 질문은 앞의 두 선생님과 마지막 선생님 사이에 약간의 차이가 있는 것처럼 느껴지는데요. 지구생태학을 얘기할 때 혹시 개별자들의 차이를 다소 약하게 이야기하는 것은 아닌지 궁금해서 여쭙니다.

첫번째 질문에 답변해주셔서 감사드립니다 ^^

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  01:34 PM

이 질문에 대해서 이따가 시간이 되면 더 이야기해보시겠습니다.  

차은정님이 모두에게:  01:34 PM

중심주의는 지구생태계에 살아가는 개체들의 숙명인 것 같습니다. 그것을 자신의 중심주의를 타자에게 주입하려는 순간 전체론(wholism)이 발동되는 것 같습니다. 그래서 탈-중심주의를 고민해온 인류학에서는 그에 대해 중심주의를 관점주의(perspectism)로 전환하자고 합니다. 

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  01:35 PM

네 동의합니다. 

차은정님이 모두에게:  01:36 PM

그리고 유럽중심주의를 벗어나려는 탈식민주의(postcolonialism)에서 최근에는 decolonialism으로 용어를 바꿔서 탈중심주의 일반을 이야기하려고 하고 있습니다. 

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  01:37 PM

흥미로운 말씀이네요...!

허남진님이 모두에게:  01:47 PM

차은정선생님.. 책 좀 추천해주세요

차은정님이 모두에게:  01:55 PM

논문이 있는데, 제가 블로그에 번역해놓았어요. 링크 걸어드릴게요. 

https://sarantoya12.tistory.com/113 이거는 인류학에서 탈중심주의(탈전체론dewholism)를 어떻게 논하는지의 대략적인 내용입니다. 

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  01:56 PM

오 감사합니다!

차은정님이 모두에게:  01:57 PM

다중심성에 관한 논의는 '복수의 존재론'으로 이야기되고 있는데요, 메릴린 스트래선의 <부분적인 연결들>이 참고가 될 겁니다. 

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  02:09 PM

부분과 전체에 관한 방법론은 동학을 통해서도 새롭게 사유해볼 수 있을 듯합니다. 인내천은 부분(인)과 전체(천)의 관계에 대한 사상이기도 하니까요.

차은정님이 모두에게:  02:09 PM

네, 저도 그렇게 생각하고 있습니다. 

허남진님이 모두에게:  02:12 PM

감사합니다

허남진님이 모두에게:  02:20 PM

2부 사회를 맡은 허남진입니다. 이성호선생님 처럼 질문은 채팅창을 이용해 주십시요

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  02:33 PM

화면 공유해주실 수 있나요?

허남진님이 모두에게:  02:33 PM

발표문입니다.

허남진님이 모두에게:  02:37 PM

박길수, 이주연 두분의 발표문은 자료집을 참조해 주십시요

허남진님이 모두에게:  02:38 PM

김재익선생님의 발표문입니다.

조성환님이 모두에게:  02:44 PM

차은정 교수님, 좋은 정보 감사드립니다. 저희에게 많은 공부가 되겠네요^^

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  03:07 PM

자료 감사합니다.

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  03:23 PM

‘사이보그’ 가 뭔가요?

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:24 PM

기계와 인간의 결합체인 인조인간

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  03:24 PM

감사!

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  03:24 PM

cybernetic organism의 축약어라고 합니다.

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  03:26 PM

아 예 ㄱㅁㅅ

cyborg: 인공(개조)인간

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:27 PM

예ㅎ 

최다울님이 모두에게:  03:37 PM

 박길수선생님 발표에서 나온 '不二說'이나, 이주연선생님의 틀을 깨는 정체성, 사이보그 페미니즘 이야기가 '지구학(글로벌)'을 생각할 때 중요한 키워드로 느껴집니다. 

 예를 들어 국제(international)이라 하면 際(inter)에 国(nation)이 전제된 관계입니다. 

이 밖에도 ①존재 ②관계라는 순서로. 이는 의사-환자, 지구와 인간, 나라와 나라, 나와 상대방의 관계에 있어서도 마찬가지인데, 저도 이에 한계를 느끼고 있습니다. 

여기서 '불이설'적 관점이 여기서 중요해 보이는데, 거기서 저는 최근 안도 쇼에키(安藤昌益, 1703~1762)의 '互性', '二別'비판에 주목하고 있어요. 쇼에키의 互性는 陰는 陽이, 陽에도 陰의 性이 있어 남성에게도 여성성이, 여성에게도 남성성이 있다고 봅니다. 이렇게 봐야 예를 들어 가사노동을 남성이 '돕는다'는 발상이 아니라 '한다'는 발상이 나오게 될 듯 합니다. 마찬가지로 우리가 '지구생태보존' 을 생각할 때, 이를 '봉사'가 아니라 '자기문제'가 되기 위해서는 inter적인 관계 아니라 互性처럼 상호가 상호의 요소를 갖고 있다는 관점이 중요해보입니다. 

그렇게 볼 때 조성환선생님께서 말씀하시는 '님'의 경우는 어떤 '님'인지, 아마 자타구별의 '他'로서의 '님'은 아닐 것 같고, 지구학에서의 '지구'도 '他'로서의 '님'은 아닐 것 같은데요. 나중에 시간이 된다면 말씀을 더 들어보고 싶습니다.

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:37 PM

최다울 선생님, 귀중한 의견 감사드립니다.

최다울님이 모두에게:  03:39 PM

채팅창이 꽉차버렸네요. 보시기 불편하실지 모르겠습니다. 

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  03:46 PM

네, 최다울 선생님, 남성성과 여성성이 단독적으로 존재한다는 관념이 이제는 허물어지는 때가 되지 않았나 싶습니다. 

Soon Young Lee님이 모두에게:  03:47 PM

텍스트 올려 주실 수 있는지요

허남진님이 모두에게:  03:48 PM

발표문입니다

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:48 PM

관계를 통해 존재가 드러난다는 것에 동의하지만, 그 관계가 반드시 호혜적이거나 불이적이어야 한다는 것은 아닌 것 같습니다. 

Soon Young Lee님이 모두에게:  03:48 PM

감사합니다

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:48 PM

관계는 또한 차이를 드러내기도 하고, 끊겨야 연결될 수 있으니까요. 

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  03:49 PM

원불교의 은사상은 동일성만 추구하는 것은 아닙니다. 

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  03:50 PM

저도 동의합니다. 쇼에키의 상호성(호혜성)은 잘 모릅니다만, 합일(불이)과 상호는 '단독성(singularity)' 또는 개체의 유일무이함과 함께 사유될 필요가 있지 않은가 합니다.

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  03:50 PM

양면을 함께 본다고 이해하시면 좋을 것 같습니다. 연결성과 차이의 양면...

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:53 PM

일단 질문 하나 드립니다. 互性과 不二가 비슷한 뜻인가요?

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:54 PM

불이는 일체라는 말 같고, 호성은 상호성 같습니다. 음속에 양이 들어있고, 양속에 음이 들어있다는...

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:55 PM

아, 호성은 호헤성(reciprocity)와 아예 다른 뜻이네요. 호성은 한 자기의 속성이 다른 자기에도 있다는 뜻이지요?

그리고 불이 또한 동일성과 다른 것 같습니다. 

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:55 PM

그렇게 알고 있습니다. 안도 쇼에키의 특유한 용어

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:55 PM

아..

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:56 PM

불이는 신토불이의 불이...

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:57 PM

불이는 동일성보다 오히려 사이보그로 이해하는 것이 더 이해가 잘 되긴 합니다. 

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:57 PM

동일성과 일체성은 좀 다를것 같습니다.

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  03:58 PM

토론 시간에 최다울 선생님의 '님'에 관한 질문도 더불어 논의하면 좋겠습니다.

차은정님이 모두에게:  03:58 PM

불이는 일체성보다 사이보그에서 말하는 집적회로로 이해해도 될른지.. 

조성환님이 모두에게:  03:59 PM

있다가 토론시간에 설명해 주세요 ^^

최다울님이 모두에게:  04:01 PM

互性이 호혜성이나 관계론까지 갈지는 모르겠습니다만 쇼에키는 음양론적인 구분법을 비판하고요. 순환적인 活을 강조합니다. 男女를 사람(히토)라 읽고, 각각이 각각의 性를 가진다고 봅니다.(이런 점에서 불일불이와 비슷해 보입니다.) 마찬가지로 자연과도 서로의 성을 나눠가지고 그 성을 活시키는 생활을 해야 한다는데, 자기 생활과 자연의 보존의 문제가 같은 문제에서 논의되는게 특정적인 것 같아요.

근데 저도 아직 연구를 시작한지 얼마 안된지라, 조금 더 연구한 후에 나중에 공유드리고자 합니다. 잘 설명드리지 못해 죄송합니다;

차은정님이 모두에게:  04:02 PM

말씀해주신 대로라면, 존재->관계의 논리가 아닐런지요. '본성(nature)'이야말로 존재가 관계보다 앞선다는 것이 아닐런지요.  

네, 알겠습니다. 말씀해주셔서 감사합니다!

조성환님이 모두에게:  04:02 PM

어쩌면 관계성을 호성이라고 표현했는지도...

최다울님이 모두에게:  04:13 PM

性라는 말을 쓰긴 합니다만, '본성'의 논의와는 다른 느낌을 받습니다만, 이게 관계성인지도 약간 의문입니다. 

감사합니다

転定

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  04:17 PM

위계문화에 의해 피해 받는 사람을 여성만이 아니고 많은 남성들고 포함된다는 사실을 기억해야합니다.

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  04:19 PM

네, 참조하겠습니다.^^

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  04:22 PM

^^

허남진님이 모두에게:  04:23 PM

3시에 뵙겠습니다

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  04:23 PM

3부에서 발표할 파일을 위에 올려 드렸습니다. 

차은정님이 모두에게:  04:23 PM

현실운동에서 '가해자는 담론'이라는 발상은 위험한 것 같습니다. 

김단아님이 모두에게:  04:30 PM

저도 한마디 덧붙이자면, 조화를 추구하는 과정에서 피해를 보는 사람이 발생하는 것은 맞습니다. 여성의무고용을 할 때, 실질적인 점수는 더 높은 남성이 채용에서 탈락하는 경우도 있고, 미국에서는 흑인 우대 정책으로 인해 점수가 높은 백인이 피해가 보는 경우도 있습니다. 그러나 장기적으로 보면, 이러한 정책은 결국 사회의 모든 구성원들에게 이익이 돌아간다고 생각합니다. 불평등한 사회에서는 혼란과 불안, 폭력이 빈번합니다. 조화를 추구하는 정책들을 통해 결국에는 사회 혼란이나 불안을 줄일 수 있습니다. 지금 나는 당장 피해를 볼 수 있더라도 미래 세대, 내 자식에게는 조화로운 세상에 살 수 있게 한다는 점에서 우대조치로 인한 희생은 감수할만한 가치가 있다고 생각합니다.

"마이클 센댈, 중국을 만나다"라는 책 1장에서 리첸양 선생님께서 좀 더 자세히 설명을 해주고 계십니다! 

이주연/원불교사상연구원님이 모두에게:  04:32 PM

네 아까 임시헌 선생님의 설명과 함께 이해되네요~ 고맙습니다

허남진님이 모두에게:  04:36 PM

발표자들께서는 발표문 공유부탁드립니다.

임시헌님이 모두에게:  04:38 PM

네 제가 더 말씀드리고 싶었던 내용을 김단아 선생님께서 꼭 짚어서 말씀해주신 것 같습니다. 저도 생물학적 '남성'이긴 하지만, 저런 우대조치/적극적 평등조치에 반대하지 않는 것이, 일률적인 기준에 의해서 순위를 나열하게 되면 필연적으로 그 사회의 주류 구성원들 위주로만 선발하는 결과를 낳을 우려가 있기 때문입니다. 다문화, 지역균형, 양성평등, 기회균형 전형 등 다양한 전형을 통해 인재를 선발하는 것은 (소외될 수 있는) 지역이나 계층, 성별로부터 구성원이 다양하게 구성토록 하여 궁극적 '조화'를 이룰 수 있는 계기가 됩니다. 그리하여 사회 갈등을 조정하고 다양한 목소리가 여러 공동체에서 발언 기회를 얻을 수 있습니다.

더불어 페미니즘은 여성의 권리 확장에도 노력하지만, 고정된 여성성을 해체하려고 노력하는 담론의 장도 형성이 돼 있습니다. 영미권의 현대 페미니스트 주디스 버틀러도 남성성, 여성성을 부정하고 젠더의 경계를 허물며 n+1개의 성이라는 개념을 창안한 것으로 압니다.

허남진님이 모두에게:  04:44 PM

김용휘교수님 발표문 공유합니다.

최다울님이 모두에게:  04:45 PM

감사합니다~

유신지님이 모두에게:  04:48 PM

감사합니다~!

차은정님이 모두에게:  04:58 PM

김용휘 선생님 발표 잘 들었습니다. 감사합니다. 동학의 천 사상을 '만물에 신(天)이 깃들어 있다'는 애니미즘으로 이해할 수 있는지요? 그리고 그러한 애니미즘을 '하늘'로 표상하는 이유가 있는지요?

최다울님이 모두에게:  04:59 PM

기존 유학의 이해에서는 자기 '마음' 특히 情은 절제해야 하는 대상입니다만, 동학의 경우 자기 '마음'도 공경의 대상입니다. 向我設位 장에서도 보면, 제삿상 음식을 집어먹어 버렸을 때도 天主感應之情이라 하셨는데요(유교적인 관점에서는 매우 이는 욕심이나 마음의 폭주의 우려로 여겨질 것 같습니다). 그렇다면 동학의 경우는 마음이 폭주나 '욕심'되어버리지 않게 하기 위한 어떤 조치나 경계의 문제는 어떻게 해결하였나요?  많은 이들에게 전파가 된 만큼, 중요한 문제가 아니었을까 싶습니다. 

조성환님이 모두에게:  05:00 PM

김용휘 교수님이 채팅을 확인 안하실 것 같은데 섹션토론 때 두 분의 질문을 논제로 삼아보겠습니다.

차은정님이 모두에게:  05:00 PM

보통 수렵채집 사회에서는 순환적 세계관을 가집니다. 사람이 죽으면 숲으로 돌아간다는. 그런데 농경사회에서는 그러한 수평적 순환 세계로부터 벗어나 하늘이 등장합니다. 천 사상을 이렇게 이해해도 되나요? 

조성환님이 모두에게:  05:01 PM

오히려 그런 천 사상으로 회귀하는듯한 느낌입니다. 저로서는...

순환에서 벗어난 <천>을 다시 순환으로 되돌리려고 한 <하늘>이 동학의 하늘.

차은정님이 모두에게:  05:03 PM

아.. 아마존에서 수평적 샤먼과 수직적 샤먼이 교차한다는 이야기가 떠오르네요.  

조성환님이 모두에게:  05:03 PM

그럴지 모릅니다. 수평과 수직의 교차가 동학의 하늘.

최다울님이 모두에게:  05:25 PM

Seung-jin Hong님이 모두에게:  06:23 PM
김용휘 선생님 답변 듣다가 눈물 날 뻔했습니다ㅠㅠ 학문적 엄밀함과 인문적 감동에 흠뻑 빠졌습니다. 짱입니다 선생님!!!

Vana Kim님이 모두에게:  06:23 PM
저는 조금 다른 생각입니다. 지금 시대는 사람들의 심리가 아주 왜곡 되어 있기 때문에 지금 김용휘 선생님이 말씀 하시는 동학 철학 가지고는 해결 안되는 부분이 크다고 행각합니다. 가정폭력, 남성폭력 등
최다울님이 모두에게:  06:25 PM
대면 학술대회였으면 2차 식사자리 가서 연장토론을 들을 수 있었을텐데 참 아쉽습니다...
황명희님이 모두에게:  06:25 PM
원불교학을 전공하는 황명희입니다. 통신이 원활하지 않아 채팅방에 홍성진 선생님께 질문을 남깁니다. 1927년에 발행된 불법연구회의 교리서인 수양연구요론은 인생의 요도가 수양에 있고, 수양의 근본을 알리기 위하여 정정요론을 참조하였는데 한용운의 수양에는 불교적 영향이 있는 건지 궁금합니다.