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FRONTLINE gains access to the ICU of one of New York's biggest hospitals to examine the complicated reality of today's modern, medicalized death.


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@Alaninbroomfield
@Alaninbroomfield
4 years ago
John really didn't want to die.  I felt so bad for him.  I watched this show years ago and had to watch it again because I thought about him again.  He wasn't ready to die.  He just couldn't accept it.  How do you ever reconcile that?  How can you ever find any grace in the way he left this world?  It's just.........painful to watch.

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@juliedemas2611
@juliedemas2611
5 years ago
I work in palliative care... just because a patient can not respond does not mean that they cannot hear the conversation in the room

Doctors  should hold family conferences in a separate room not talking over the patient while they're lying in the bed

I mean come on,  who wants to hear that they're going to pull the plug!!

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@bovinebeautymoo2884
@bovinebeautymoo2884
5 years ago
The best and kindest thing you can do for your family is to discuss what you want and to do a Living Will.

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@nursemelanieb
@nursemelanieb
5 years ago
Save your family the anguish...with the 31 y.o woman the MD said the patient indicated that it was not her will to live that way, and yet the family won't allow them to remove her breathing tube. And the woman w dementia on a trach for a year and now on vent, the family is all thrilled bc she breathes when they remove the tube..ya great she still has progressed so far in her dementia that she has no quality of life and will continue to choke on her own secretions until you stop putting her thru this. For all they know these ppl are screaming inside to stop this nightmare and for their own guilt they press on, why do they feel no guilt for doing this? It is basically TORTURE! Imagine 3 or 4 times a year you go thru the trauma of choking and gasping n they keep holding you at the brink- u never get well enough to enjoy your loved ones or any of your favorite things, n the family visits maybe on wknds..maybe; but you are kept here for them to feel better about "not giving up on you prematurely"- terminal illness means just that; the illness will end up being their demise. Yea, it is an awful reality, but is this a better reality- constant pain, a feeling that youre constantly suffocating, all your meals thru a straw, living everyday in a johnny in a white hospital room, no visits from family, no energy, inability to even hold a convo; day after week after month for years maybe.. put it in WRITING! You can change your mind everyday that u can still speak your wishes, but this way they know where your mind was at the last time you thought of this moment!

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@renimacintosh2464
@renimacintosh2464
5 years ago
I wanna have QUALITY of Life,  and not Quantity !!!

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@nthernstar8558
@nthernstar8558
4 years ago
That poor lady on a vent for a year. That's just cruel.

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@Latabrine
@Latabrine
5 years ago
At the end, they mention that the lady with dementia, had been on the trachiotomy for a year. I find it very selfish and cruel that her family is prolonging her suffering.

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@pinkmonkeybird2644
@pinkmonkeybird2644
5 years ago
Thank you to the patients, their families, and the medical professionals that allowed us to watch life and death hang in the balance.  I felt for each and every family in the documentary.  I would never, ever choose to keep my senile mother alive with a tracheostomy, what a horrible way to exist.   I did choose to DNR my mom, as I was her health care proxy when she fought pancreatic cancer. It was awful, but I did exactly as she wanted, because she was strong enough to tell me what she thought of living and dying.   Everyone needs to have that conversation with their loved ones, no matter how difficult it is.

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@surgem6089
@surgem6089
5 years ago
Enjoy life while you have it !! .. especially when your healthy and walking and breathing well. Enjoy it ! .. not everyone has that opportunity 🙏

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@pandybear24
@pandybear24
2 years ago
I would haunt the fuck out of my family if they kept me on a ventilator for a year!!

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@BR-td3kn
@BR-td3kn
5 years ago
How selfish of the families to keep their "loved" one on machines causing them great pain.  Everyone should have a will to keep this from happening to them.  Make very clear the instructions regarding your health and care.  What disgusting selfish behavior.

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@Youthful34712
@Youthful34712
5 years ago
Thankyou to the families for sharing such a traumatic time in theirs and their loved ones life RIP

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@andrewharrier62
@andrewharrier62
4 years ago
A doctor told me once about a year ago that "medicine is not as sophisticated as most people think", and it totally changed my perspective on this topic and you know what? I belive her...

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@toyman9642
@toyman9642
5 years ago
I fully support physician assisted suicide for those with a terminal illness. I, for one, do not want to end my days in a hospital bed with tubes going into and coming  out of my body. Death is simply a part of life. We leave and move on.

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@upinarmsusa
@upinarmsusa
5 years ago (edited)
Having been hospice care for father ( died in May) hospice for my life partner of 18 years ( died following July) and then for my mom ( died Dec.) All of with I took care of , I was there when they passed, . I had to stay strong for them . Let them say ,do and feel what they want, .When they seem like they have left mentally, they have not ..They hear,  they feel, . And yes It sucks for you, nothing is ever the way you want or the way they want. Give them the dignity they deserve. And it is the hardest thing to do, you have to get out of the mindset it's about you. When it is about them. My partner ,by going through hospice with him taught me what humilityand what dignity is and how hard Love Can Hurt. Watching. Them loose the fight with their body. So to anybody who has the courage to help I loved one go through this God bless you you will not regret it no matter how hard it is on you, you will be upset with the loss, then mad at " why?" Then comes the anger at everything, and then it will get better, you have the memory!! What you witnessed will fade, but you must stay grounded, remember you are loved by that person, after all they shared the hardest thing they have ever done, left you !

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@SueDunMc-
@SueDunMc-
5 years ago
I can't see trying to keep someone alive with machines as helping the patient.  In these cases it's just prolonging the inevitable.

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@klonaro
@klonaro
4 years ago
I understand the blond wife, she's not selfish worrying about her own feelings. My mom died of iiib3 gallbladder cancer few months ago, I had just turned 19 a year ago when she was diagnosed, I left college to be with her she fought for almost a year. I was at the hospital almost everyday, her screams still haunt me, anyone who has had a similar experience being with a loved one throughout treatment will know it's exhausting and traumatizing.  I can't even look at the hospital, 2 weeks ago I passed by there and I broke down crying, almost wanted to rush in there, expecting to see my mom again..

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@kkdoc7864
@kkdoc7864
5 years ago
Please stop talking in front of the patients when you are discussing dying issues or anything they should not be hearing if awake. .  Most likely they can hear you. This discussion needs to be carried out in a private room or at least in the hallway away from the patient. You guys KNOW better!

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@tracyd693
@tracyd693
5 years ago
That family is extremely selfish! (Dementia mom) I can't believe they want their mother to live with a trach instead of passing on peacefully.

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@jonathansmith3081
@jonathansmith3081
1 year ago
I’ve accepted death. I don’t want to go out bad, like mauled or balled up in a car

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@Randomperson-xq7lz
@Randomperson-xq7lz
3 years ago
The worse I felt was for that correction officer guy . He wanted to live so bad. RIP

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@joan7823
@joan7823
4 years ago
This has really made my mind up .. 
I want to go peacefully no tubes just pain relief.

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@nickykeightley1724
@nickykeightley1724
5 years ago
No. This will not happen to me. My end of life is already dealt with. This is so sad to watch, but I could never put my loved ones through this.

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@nicoleb312
@nicoleb312
4 years ago
Awww my heart aches for BOBBY AND HIS WIFE🙇‍♀️

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@jaydenlynn9391
@jaydenlynn9391
5 years ago
Very moving stories it's not easy watching a loved one suffer.

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@gwynethgrove772
@gwynethgrove772
5 years ago
Just witnessed  a close relative ventilated for nearly two weeks, failed extubations and finally allowed to pass quietly without pain. Agonizing and painful to witness but we knew she would not have wanted a tracheostomy or to go on in this condition. A very hard decision to make for someone else.

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@Chubbylito11
@Chubbylito11
5 years ago
I don't want to suffer and be a burden to my family. I prefer they unplug.

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@brittneybrisbin744
@brittneybrisbin744
3 years ago
This documentary was a whirlwind of emotions. I felt terrible for the people who were so determined to make it and then didn't, because it reminded me of my mom. I lost her at 18 due to an aggressive brain cancer, and she had a lot of determination and willpower. Hopefully there is a greater reward for them in another life. Also drawing on the experience I had with my mother, I am astonished at the family of the dementia patient. I understand not wanting to lose your parent, but why would you want to prolong their suffering? At that point, their personality, essence, spirit, and quality of life are gone. It just feels like selfishness because you don't want to accept what's happening/happened.

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@kairiandpapou
@kairiandpapou
4 years ago
👏🏻 people who go into this profession are a fucking god send. My grandfather was a phd radiation oncologist and had a few other degrees. He had to go through a lot of therapy but he saved many cancer patients lives and loved his job even thought it was hard.

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@clachapelle
@clachapelle
5 years ago
This is a very sad & a very interesting documentary.....

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@sunshinegirl2208
@sunshinegirl2208
5 years ago
If a Doctor tells me I am dieing, I am going traveling while I still feel well enough to go see and do some things I haven't done yet, ... Then I will come back home, .... And when God decides to take me,.... It will be okay with me. I just don't want to go through unnecessary pain and suffering.

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@wharrington8587
@wharrington8587
5 years ago
These daughters irritate me. They should've let her go. Why didn't she have a DNR. Both my parents have living wills & DNRs. You have to be willing to let go. Yeah it's painful but it's a part of life.

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@madreep
@madreep
5 years ago
The most important thing a person can do is to talk about their wishes with their loved ones while they're still healthy. My cousin was 19 and 5 months pregnant with her first baby when she was critically injured in a car accident. My cousin was given a 1% chance of survival. The baby was still alive so she was placed on life support until the baby made it to term or she went into labor. My cousin began breathing on her own 7 days after the accident. The baby made it to 25 weeks 3 days before my cousin went into labor. Fortunately the baby was very healthy and survived, but my cousin remained in a vegetative state until March 2018 when she passed. I have struggled the last 8 years with wondering what my cousin would have wanted. Was it right to save the baby and sentence my cousin to 8 years being trapped in her body? Or should we have let them go? My cousin died at the scene. She was life flighted to the hospital where she was brought back. She was 19 and healthy. We as a family never thought to talk about our wishes unless it was with our grandparents who were older and dealing with age related problems. I have made sure to inform my family of my wishes, in person and in writing. I have selected the person who I want to speak for me if I am unable to speak for myself because she has said that she will make sure to comply with what I want. And I have also filed an advance directive with my primary physician. I encourage everyone to do the same. Tomorrow isn't promised to any of us. Please ease the burden on your loved ones by telling them what you want. It's still hard to follow through, but the person's wishes are what matters.

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@jammzy2959
@jammzy2959
5 years ago
My dad's a doctor and extremely smart. However he won't believe my theory. I think that sometimes meds are held back from the market because it's more profitable to keep people on meds forever rather than curing. Not all diseases obviously, but I'm not crazy right?

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@justheartocomment5145
@justheartocomment5145
5 years ago
My grandma had a major stroke in 2006 and the family decided to keep her alive via machines. After watching I’m wondering what would she have wanted. She stayed that way for 7 years before she passed from an infection. On the other hand my other grandma just suddenly fell ill. She was 93. They wanted to send her to hospice but she wanted to be home. She had a ‘do not resuscitate ‘ on her bedroom door. I was there when she passed. I wanted to do cpr but I knew that’s not what she wanted 💔💔

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@histerp51
@histerp51
5 years ago (edited)
I hate the fact they are talking around her..I have never even such bad behavior.. My husband and I are Pastors and I could not tell you how many people we have seen on a respirator come out of serious comas with even Dr’s. telling us that the patient was brain dead, come out and say they heard everything we said...

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@Africanfrogs
@Africanfrogs
5 years ago
Respect to the families that let this be filmed

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@marywilliams9858
@marywilliams9858
5 years ago
I hope I croak suddenly at home.

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@Metonymy1979
@Metonymy1979
5 years ago
If Americans could deal better with death, we could deal better with end of life choices.

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@luisloya6904
@luisloya6904
5 years ago
I know exactly what they're going through, no one wants to die. We'll fight to the inevitable end.

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@lovinglife4264
@lovinglife4264
5 years ago
My grandma was dying away. She had no will to live. All these things was falling on her and she believed that that was gods will.   God would come to me at night to check in on her.  I started doing it more often.  I told her that God’s said to tell he is not done with her you.  I prayed, Sanged and cried with her.   For Christmas when I went to see her she was able to talk to me for the first time with no problem.  Long story short she is working on being released for the first time.    I would say keep the faith if you can.     I believe we serve a most high God who looks low.  I pray one day we will be get rid all illness and of old age.

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@eddielouisemoran5881
@eddielouisemoran5881
2 years ago
The fact that I see sooo many Women working in end of life Icu or care really says alot about us.

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@Panties13
@Panties13
5 years ago
I had to make the decision about my mother who had a stroke Easter Sunday 2012 she took a turn for the worse hardest decision of my life mom was so full of life Gods Grace and mercy July 16 we took off all life support you can have more than one sibling but you only get one mother and one father loosing a mother is like being cut from the umbilical cord twice 🙌🦋❤️🌸 I love you mom rip🙏

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@pwear2528
@pwear2528
1 year ago
This is more the hospital administrator side of death and dying.

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@jackiethibodeaux2752
@jackiethibodeaux2752
5 years ago
Myself I do not want to be on life support.

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@Darkwolfhellhound
@Darkwolfhellhound
5 years ago
My friend died at 17. She went into cardiac arrest one night and they found her the next morning and put her on life support in the icu. She didn't make it and it was the hardest thing to see and endure.

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@montesa9136
@montesa9136
3 years ago
Facing Death for some, is a Warm Blessing! I've suffered for over 63 years with Major Depressive Disorder. I almost Never experience contentment or joy! I've exhausted all treatment options. There are no happy endings for this disease.
I look at Death as FInal End to my prolonged suffering! There is NOTHING I look forward to as much as my LAST BREATH!

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@henricadehue7541
@henricadehue7541
5 years ago
I agree talking should not be done over them - but with them or  some where else

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@Lucy-vh4jc
@Lucy-vh4jc
5 years ago
I had to make these decisions on behalf of my mother. It was heart breaking to make these decisions. I pray for all the families in this documentary.

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@leondraw1766
@leondraw1766
2 years ago
Albert's wife looks absolutely broken.

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@decembercloud7355
@decembercloud7355
4 years ago
If there was no way of me getting better I would not want to live like that. Thank you to the families who let us witness this sad journey.

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@Carol-D.1324
@Carol-D.1324
5 years ago
Thank you to these families for the courage , the strength and love that you shared with us regarding your loved one. God bless you all.

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@tiffany3294
@tiffany3294
5 years ago
Everyone in that French speaking family was absolutely gorgeous

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@freeman2399
@freeman2399
5 years ago
I had a bone marrow transplant when I was 18 for ALL and it was successful, but I decided prior to it that if it didn't work I didn't want any more treatments. To me cancer treatment was worse than torture and I was so done with it.

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@azchanna
@azchanna
3 years ago
THE DAUGHTERS OF THE ALZHEIMER'S PATIENTS ARE BEAUTIFUL

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@cikosphysicaltherapist6017
@cikosphysicaltherapist6017
4 years ago
I am watching this again for the second time in it's entirety , the first time I was in my late twenties, again now nearing forty. I wanted to see if my opinions had changed as I have aged.  more Importantly the people I loved have gotten older or has passed on. I think death still scares me to a degree, more so dying alone or dying voiceless, which most if these families are grappling with in this documentary. I know I wouldn't want to live with artificial support,if I can't have a good quality of life. My heart is saddened when the dying feel like they are too tired to fight, for their children, spouses for themselves when all they are doing in reality is being honest about their fate.

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@mariaparker7545
@mariaparker7545
5 years ago
Why do the healthy have to decide what happens to you when you can no longer survive...Soooooooooooo cruel... let me die in peace... Please!!!!!!

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@takebacktheleft875
@takebacktheleft875
5 years ago
Wow, the blond wife sure wasnt very supportive. Its like she just was worried about her own feelings about having to watch treatment.

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@bridget5180
@bridget5180
2 years ago
What 86 year old would want a trach? Very sad for her.

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@americanpie7322
@americanpie7322
4 years ago
The man on the wall can see it all, the man  on the cross is always the boss ➕ 🙏

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@LadyDeath6666
@LadyDeath6666
5 years ago
These are very excellent and caring doctors. I wish my doctors were this caring.

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@annettemasden3382
@annettemasden3382
5 years ago
Face it poor  people , our loved ones don't  have  a  chance. Who has  250.000.  , just  sitting  around  for a bone  marrow  transplant . Not including  anything  else. Take your  loved ones home. Keep  them pain free if you  can afford  it . Surround them with  loved ones , and unconditional  love . Don't  let. Don't  let  them  die alone .

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@blastofo
@blastofo
2 years ago
These patients are cash cows for the hospital. They make a lot of money off their insurance. They're incentivized to keep them like a vegetable for as long as the family wants.

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@inflightaviation757
@inflightaviation757
3 years ago
This is so sad my big brother died in the hospital from lung cancer in 2015 and I really miss him 😭😭 always pray for you big bro

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@mercedesmartin1269
@mercedesmartin1269
5 years ago
I find it remarkable that an MD would say “who am I to decide...”  when debating whether to trache her mother ti unnaturally extend her life. Goes to show how when it’s you and it’s your loved ones your judgement is clouded. So tough.

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@lisamoroney3036
@lisamoroney3036
1 year ago
Hardest thing I’ve ever done was tell my mom who had breast ca with Mets to go. Miss her so very much.

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@kathybird1721
@kathybird1721
5 years ago
RIP Valeria Owens. ALL.

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@kkdoc7864
@kkdoc7864
5 years ago
End stage liver disease is so awful. And most of the time it is entirely preventable

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@serenearnell
@serenearnell
5 years ago
I consider myself fortunate to have had the opportunity to be treated by the best team of doctors at Mt Sinai Hospital, thank you Dr. Keren Osman and her super oncology team!!! 4 years strong.

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@shawnstatzer3137
@shawnstatzer3137
5 years ago
If ever I get early diagnosis of dementia, I know that I will only give it a brief time (enough time to take care of a few things and accomplish my bucket list) before I handle a forest cobra.

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@randymomo843
@randymomo843
2 years ago
Kyimar Thein was murdered in 2018. Damn thats crazy. RIP

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@violetgolden3380
@violetgolden3380
2 years ago (edited)
That "doctor" daughter who's making her mother live on a vent should have her license taken away. She's a joke.

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@1purapericulo
@1purapericulo
5 years ago
Omg let ppl Rest In Peace

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@susanberg5817
@susanberg5817
5 years ago
Prolong life, not death. Just my wish for my own death.

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@beautifuldiva0208
@beautifuldiva0208
5 years ago (edited)
This has to be hard. Not knowing what your loved one really wants. WHY DO THEY TALK LIKE THIS IN FRONT OF THE PATIENTS? They can hear you.

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@tommyroche9142
@tommyroche9142
5 years ago
I understand the arguments around not keeping people alive by machine and think that the medical profession needs to be more blunt about outcomes.  However, the cost argument against keeping a person alive in hospital is an absolute fallacy.  The only cost involved is the cost of medications, which the patient would be receiving anyway even if they were at home or in hospice care.  The cost is estimated by counting the cost of staff needed to care for the patient, cost of equipment, etc, etc.  But if that patient was never there those costs remain.

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@finneganpupsavedbythebell
@finneganpupsavedbythebell
6 months ago
I dont get these doctors giving false hope and not being straight and saying "this person is dying and anymore care is just making quality of life horrible"

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@shellyedson
@shellyedson
5 years ago
Decisions regarding caring for severely ill patients are extremely difficult.  You don't want them to die but you also don't want them to suffer, or not have any kind of quality of life, or have their remaining life consist of constant pain and procedures.



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@tygrallure6895
@tygrallure6895
4 years ago
God bless doctors like the ones in this video. They have a really tough job. 😓

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@m_shaf2139
@m_shaf2139
3 years ago
I’ve seen people on vents for years.. it makes me sick to see how selfish people are..

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@Thedrunkenswede1337
@Thedrunkenswede1337
1 year ago
death help is a must in europe !!!!!!  i say this as my grandmother is dying in cancer right now. Death help has to be leagal

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@onewaydrive_
@onewaydrive_
3 years ago
it seems alot of the family members are ready to let go and be rid of the constant suffering, and the patients are the ones not ready to let go.

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@lillyshield6187
@lillyshield6187
5 years ago
You know what guys, if you want to try chemo or whatever other treatment available then ok. But if it doesn't work the first time, please look into how your diet affects cancer and your health. You have nothing else to lose if you've already tried treatment, I wish you all the best I really do x

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@missyriley2099
@missyriley2099
5 years ago
I dread the day that I have to make a decision such as this for my father. His MS is progressing so fast.

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@solosugar462
@solosugar462
4 years ago
Lord keep them... And be with their families

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@iadorenewyork1
@iadorenewyork1
1 year ago (edited)
"I want a straight answer, o.k.?  Is my brother dying?"  "YES!". P

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@thabilenxumalo9275
@thabilenxumalo9275
5 years ago
I have three points to make and some more venting: 
1.  Consider yourself blessed that you live in developed countries;
2.  At least some of your doctors show some humanity, to a better extent than what I've been exposed to.
3. Most of these patients were having it worse that my mother, she never had any chronic condition other than sinusitis but she died within four months of a  cancer diagnosis having been in and out of hospital about 7 months earlier trying to understand the cause of pain in her splenic flexure region. 

She worked in the industry, and the same industry couldn't help, or at least for a few years! Ha! I  personally don't believe in the effectiveness of chemo. You begin,  a picture of 'health' ( of course you are unwell) but you end up in the worst condition, ever. More needs to be done, and it is disturbing that little improvement is seen after do many years and grants and donations!! Anyone,  please help unravel my ignorance, more especially for people who believe in the 'health system or industry'. I do believe in the existence of hospitals for treating acute conditions, like accidents, burns, etc., but other things, I don't.

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@anasmith5834
@anasmith5834
4 years ago
We should all prepare to die so when the time comes we would be ready.

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@helenphelan8184
@helenphelan8184
5 years ago
This is heartbreaking, but I get so very angry when  the monetary cost and Insurance Companies are held up as a reason to stop any human being from been given the right to fight to stay alive.    Most hospital staff are true, unsung heroes!  I definitely think that most terminally ill people would like to have a pre plan of care in the event of things getting worse for them in respect of ventilation etc.  but do not think that euthanasia is ever the answer.

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@samara5631
@samara5631
2 years ago
What would the APA 7 citation be for this video? So eye-opening....



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
Be strong they are always with you in any thing that you do believe me we are all there X

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@freeman2399
@freeman2399
5 years ago
If the patient already said she doesn't want to be kept alive on machines then take her off them already, to hell with what the family says, it's not them lying there.

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@Starbuc1
@Starbuc1
2 years ago (edited)
My background is ICU but now my practice is Hospice. Yes we can use every machine, every medication at our disposal... but what we give is quantity of life.... and few days, weeks or months ... but the cost of that time is a horrific quality of life.  

When our bodies can not breathe unassisted, when we can not take in nutrition, when our organs fail without machines and numerous medication... that is the end of life....  we do not give life by using the machines and medications.... we give a slow death. 

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@fragglesongs1478
@fragglesongs1478
5 years ago
It's sad because I have a cousin who passed away on February 11th 2018 at the very young age of 27

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@annhitchin6756
@annhitchin6756
5 years ago
In the uk doctors would not allow you to be on a ventilator. Also the care we receive is sometimes fantastic, but other times terrible.

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@melaussie7459
@melaussie7459
3 years ago (edited)
Living on a ventilator for over a year! That’s selfish of the family and the daughter is a MD

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@lindathrall5133
@lindathrall5133
4 years ago
I FEEL FOR THE FAMILIES WHO HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY HARD DECISIONS FOR THEIR LOVED ONES

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@BecD1983
@BecD1983
2 years ago
That woman that is on the vent that didn’t want to be....
Her family need to respect her wishes and let her go.

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@Hey_its_Koda
@Hey_its_Koda
5 years ago
I wish i could save people from death. Terrible end. Ive seen 3 people die in front of me at the hospital. Scary.

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@Catherine-xf3pc
@Catherine-xf3pc
4 years ago
Christ! You wouldn't do that to your dog or cat! It pays to be an animal and not a human in this world. We have advanced too far and we need to understand that death is not to be feared and that life is worse than death for some of us. I never thought a year ago I'd be in the shape I'm in but here I am suffering because I didn't know enough about my options to take my own action. 

Being human sucks.

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@judiedimatteo5195
@judiedimatteo5195
5 years ago
no way do i want to kive like that i say just pull my plugs i dont want to put my self thur that

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@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
4 years ago
I would never get a bone marrow transplant.  I'm a retired nurse.  I would say goodbye to my loved ones and get a bottle of morphine and some good books at my age.

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@1withtheflow102
@1withtheflow102
4 years ago
Good health is priceless

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@exeaux3033
@exeaux3033
4 years ago (edited)
Shame on that woman keeping that poor girl with scleroderma on life support in that condition! Is it not obvious that she is suffering immensly?! Selfish, selfish, selfish! And YES I know what it's like, I've had to take my boyfriend off of life support after a month; was it easy? NO! but why let someone continue to suffer that way?! That is no life!

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@garethrees9891
@garethrees9891
5 years ago
Something we all have to face.

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@Khaled-tx5xj
@Khaled-tx5xj
3 years ago
They say “Death is non mercurial, its patient, unlike life..."



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@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
@nancybeveridgetaylor3256
4 years ago
I am not afraid of death at all. I am afraid of being over treated and leaving my husband with overwhelming medical costs if he should ever outlive me. If I should ever get untreatable cancer I would immediately arrange assisted suicide support ASAP. To avoid medical costs, because the disease would be killing me anyway and sooner or later would make no difference whatsoever except for the cost. that is for me, my decision.  I dont have children so there wouldn't be any issues.

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@markonikolic7725
@markonikolic7725
3 years ago
Leslie Nielsen died November 28,2010 of pneumonia.

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@JoshAlicea1229
@JoshAlicea1229
1 year ago (edited)
I believe this offers an opportunity for deep, meaningful human connection- especially for family.

Additionally, if you are a consenting adult and need to be kept alive with the assistance of machines, you’re not living in accordance to natural design. If your body says no, I think it is time to go.

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@carlhorsman7179
@carlhorsman7179
3 years ago
I think you handled it extremely well, respect there wishes not your own as hard as it may be,I truly believe that we're aware only gave what we can handle put it in God's hands an let her get to her destination an rightful place.

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@juancholorenzo6754
@juancholorenzo6754
2 years ago
Este documental doblado al español esta muy bonito!!! Con un excelente doblaje!!!!! Y con un efecto de sonido de lo mejor



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
Kevin still here I hope fore not much longer bless all these people may God take hem as his on I love the world an Pele shame itntakesnpeople dying god bless the worldxxxxxxxxxx



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@JavierBonillaC
@JavierBonillaC
3 years ago
Prof Jerome Groopman. I went to the JFK School BTW...   It is not very hard to define waste. If you legislate so that after 1 month in the ICU with minimal,chances of recovery the family has to start making a copay, you’d see how sensible and reasonable they become. It is only hard when you make it a “problem of commons” (as we call it in Economics). What belongs to everyone is always over-exploited. If you pass the whole bill to the insurance, the insurance will pay, raise everyone’s premiums and everybody will end up worse off except the insurance companies and medical providers that sell the services. Disclaimer: I have no conflict of interests when speaking about big pharma nor medical providers.



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@puppypaws2858
@puppypaws2858
4 years ago
17:11 is so happy that those lady’s got to see there family member a better the she was

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@JesusAlleineRettet
@JesusAlleineRettet
2 years ago
Sounds to me nurses are pushed by healthcare to tell patient recommending stopping treatment, but hospital is a business and theses doctors playing a good act not giving unnecessary treatment, but it would make good money for the hospital. Hypocritical both sides.

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@Frampa
@Frampa
5 years ago
Why is a hospital visit so expensive? Because they charged far beyond too much.



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@ventilator98
@ventilator98
1 year ago
I'd like to know stuff that was obviously NOT discussed. I want to know more medical perspective. So let's say an elderly gentleman is dying in ICU. He's not on a ventilator. He's not on advanced therapies such as ECMO, IABP. He's on a pulse oximeter, ECG monitor, and the ECG monitor incorperates Respiratory Monitoring. Let's say, this patient is an elderly gentleman dying due to Sepsis. His Vasopressors were removed a couple of hours ago. His family is there, by his side. The alarms have been turned down to a low volume. The pulse beep has been turned off. What are the most common end of life rhythms you would see in such a case? Like how often will yo see tachycardia go into V-Tach, then V-Fib to Asystole? What are some other rhythms, you might see in this patient, near death? Do you always see the agonal rhythm, right before Asystole? And does the Agonal come between V-Tach, and V-Fib, or does it come before the V-Tach? I want to know some common rhythms, you might see in these end of life cases.



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@brio3614
@brio3614
5 years ago
The problem is Drs want to prolong all life, where nurses don’t want to prolong death especially when you see what  the patient and families go through,!



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@jenlouden214
@jenlouden214
4 years ago
I don't understand why anyone would want to prolong someone's life for their own selfish reasons. Being kept alive by machines is not living, it's only existing and what's the point in that?



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@fragglesongs1478
@fragglesongs1478
5 years ago
This made me cry

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@lin8148
@lin8148
5 years ago
Linke everyone else, I hope I go to sleep and not wake up in my own bed.

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@s.t.1692
@s.t.1692
5 years ago
28:46 If you're tired and you don't want to go through this anymore, it's okay with me. Really???

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@jasonlinton9902
@jasonlinton9902
1 year ago
I hope im never in a position where i have to decide to turn off the machine on somebody close to me and decide either they live or die and tou must choose i think its like when having to decide to put a pet down you have had for a long time but times that by a thousand and would have the guts to watch what happens after the machine is turned off

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@thebluehotel426
@thebluehotel426
5 years ago
Man that's a tough job.

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@mikeharty4536
@mikeharty4536
4 years ago
When it's over, it's over.

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@tracy7880
@tracy7880
5 years ago
There's much worse things than death. This is a sad example of it.

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@wwalker8659
@wwalker8659
5 years ago (edited)
Thank f&%k my wishes are in writing and been made very clear to everyone. I would toss and turn in my grave if my "family" or friends were selfish enough to keep my heart beating for their own deluded reasons. My religious friends/kin particularly, know to stay out of the way when my wishes are being implemented. Cannot believe just how selfish some of these people are. 86 year old lady is done and dusted yet the mature children debate over what is right for their mother. Unbelievable.

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@tixie1895
@tixie1895
2 years ago (edited)
I wish they’d take them to a relatives room to do the talking. I’ve been in a coma and you can hear from time to time 😳 Also people making judgements about relatives being selfish etc is a bit mean. Until you’ve been put in that position, you don’t know how you would feel. You also need to remember that everyone is different and has different beliefs etc. 🙂

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@blackspider4universepeace.315
@blackspider4universepeace.315
5 years ago
Doctors let's be honest the mortality rate from the chemotherapy and radiation is more than 80%

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@MikeMercury
@MikeMercury
5 years ago
living vs surviving

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@bubblezovlove7213
@bubblezovlove7213
11 months ago
I hate to think I will be a dot on a chart one day. As a person who has suffered a shitload in my life, from spinal fusion surgery to childhood abuse where my evil "parents " were Freemason wankers, They actually said to me "stop telling people . After I said I had told someone. The secret jn see rhanded nature of it just never meant a thing to me having been abused by those monsters,.. because, and I quote- (and this was more important than my life as thier child OR as a being it human or anything what so ever....) it doesn't work if everybody knows" and I cannot adequately convey my evil father's sense of entitlement and Grandeur

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@deronbennett6431
@deronbennett6431
4 years ago (edited)
Crazy at 52;09 he is hallucinating and on death's door seeing faces that he once knew but can't place who they are or what they are; but he knows it serious ;he's never thought he would see a doctor standing over him and he seeing his life flash in front of him his mind is somewhere it has never been before; almost the same mentality as someone as if he had just took an overdose
and then suddenly came  to and acting like nothing happened
Michelle Francis PhD New York

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@madelinedavis4834
@madelinedavis4834
4 years ago
For everyone saying it is selfish to leave grandma alive like that. I respect your opinion however we are not her daughters. We all feel differently. Sometimes we all make selfish decisions. But maybe these women are not ready for her to leave them. They may not ever be. But that is not our choice or our decision to make. Let's try not to judge. They are very scared of losing her.



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@bethonetwo
@bethonetwo
3 years ago
I ask if I was the patient laying in a hospital bed with all that equipment hooked up to me would I want to continue on like that?  No, I would not want that so, why would I put a family member through all that.



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@VABee59
@VABee59
5 years ago
I will go when God takes me.

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@tiffany3294
@tiffany3294
5 years ago
I don't understand how people are in denial about their imminent death or death of their loved one and letting nature take its course once all human and medical Treatments and chances have been exhausted. I'd rather die a natural normal death and accept it then they go through all this unnecessary painful prolonging the inevitable...

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@judedimatteo471
@judedimatteo471
5 years ago
if I get like that mmy living will says do not resisate   don't wont to live a be a berdon on my family

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@mrsjusttobeme1
@mrsjusttobeme1
5 years ago
I don’t know why, but black families have a hard time letting their family member be taken off the breathing machine. I feel for the 31 year old that had to endure. Very religious people have the hardest time trusting the will of God as well. They don’t understand they are causing unnecessary suffering and torture. It makes me sad for the dying.

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@ellad9513
@ellad9513
5 years ago
I really think people should have the choice to die with dignity and at their own will, if we can make the choice to put our pets to sleep out of love for them so they would not suffer ,it should be the same for our human loved one's, it was the hardest and most painful thing to do when I had to put down my baby 2 months ago ( dog that I had since he was a month old) Mj was my baby and I loved him just as much as I love the rest of my family, It's so painful to say goodbye but it's just as painful to see someone u love so much hurt every day..My deepest condolences to all the family and friends in this video..xx

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@donnawentz7102
@donnawentz7102
5 years ago
After my Mom had strokes she really didn’t like her quality of life.  I’m so glad we talked about it because she would tell me she’s ready to go and would ask me to tell her it’s Okay which I did.  She ended up with dementia.  Eventually she ended up in the hospital with Pancreatitis so when the hospital said her heart had stopped so they revived her until we got there to say goodbye.  I knew we would miss her but making the decision to turn the machines off was okay because it’s what she wanted and the decisions were about her, not about us.  I am just amazed how selfish these families are, even taking a vote and talking about it in front of their poor Mom.

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@markelminions850
@markelminions850
3 years ago
That's hard to hear.. you can keep trying but it most likely would fail and could kill you faster..

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@jinggarcesa5913
@jinggarcesa5913
5 years ago (edited)
How i wish Euthanasia will be legalized in our country to let the person with terminal illneses choose to go with dignity..it is better that way than to see ur love ones suffering in extreme pain

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@krisrobinson5919
@krisrobinson5919
8 months ago
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@TheSerpentEagle
@TheSerpentEagle
1 year ago
I understand as humans you all fear your own morality. And you have deep feelings of loss when you have "lost" a loved one. I may seem uncaring and obtuse in your understanding. You have a legitimizing concern.. I only ask that you consider that the only thing "living" about any of you is the flesh that all of you are caged in. It is no secret the energy you all consider to be "the soul" will exists forevermore. That does not mean the energy is alive or has any life to it at all or has ever lived in any sort of "life"that you may imagine.  This energy of that I write to you, your "soul" can never die. Simply because it has never lived. It has always been and will always be. Where it will be is the most important consideration in all of your "lives" because that is where you will stay indefinitely. I can familiarize and share a connection with mankind about something TRULY having life to live on but never die. I proclaim the word of God to be such a thing. Along with love, hate. And every emotion granted to you by the grace of The Ever Laster . take heed in how you use and control these of that I write to you for the memories and effects do infact "live" forever.

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@nicoleb312
@nicoleb312
4 years ago
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@legoproductions7286
@legoproductions7286
5 years ago
Yes it was perhaps, I take it back... But... Doctors and families can see they are suffering, if there's no hope of recovery, then it should be stopped, christ you wouldn't do that to your dog or cat.. Some in doco stated they wanted everything to stay alive, that's different because they can think and commicate.. Female doctor with blonde hair had correct attitude, plus all the money it costs, someone has to pay for it. When my father had terminal cancer, we told docs in harsh terms to stop treatment, just make him comfortable, so i didn't suffer as much. That was my point.



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@finneganpupsavedbythebell
@finneganpupsavedbythebell
6 months ago
How selfish of family members to force people to  stay alive.thats not living that is being a turnip on a shelf slowly rotting away.my god im glad i have a directive.



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@finneganpupsavedbythebell
@finneganpupsavedbythebell
6 months ago
Those ventilators on terminal patients is sick,we treat pets better and let them go a good death.

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@terrestrialparadisephotography
@terrestrialparadisephotography
3 years ago
Do not talk about patients in front of them as though they are furniture! We know that even comatose patients can hear 💔



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@donnanancekivell9430
@donnanancekivell9430
2 years ago
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@lesleymaclennan7899
@lesleymaclennan7899
5 years ago
So sad 😢 💔

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@Lovinlife1234
@Lovinlife1234
5 years ago
So only the rich can afford bone marrow transplant???....ah crap, I'm poor!!!........

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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
They are not thinking of the Patient!!!! They are thinking only of themselves!!! No quality of life for her with a tracheotomy. Not good!!!



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@kelliewhyte_85
@kelliewhyte_85
5 years ago
Quick question..... Am I the only one who is absolutely fucking terrified of death?

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@fragglesongs1478
@fragglesongs1478
5 years ago
This is so sad

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@randomperson7304
@randomperson7304
3 years ago
44:58 “hey girl “ hahhahahah lol

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@szqsk8
@szqsk8
5 years ago
If Medicaid told these families that they would no longer cover the ventilator care and it would fall on the family to pay the costs these patients ventilators would be turned off so fast everybody's head would be spinning.

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@debbielocklin7563
@debbielocklin7563
2 years ago
I just want to go pain free, even a little goofy. I do not want tubes and hoses and needles everywhere!  If possible want to go at home. Want to be able to say good bye and I love you to my family and friends.



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@AllBeerEverything
@AllBeerEverything
5 years ago
John was a tough son of a bitch.

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@matrixkernel
@matrixkernel
3 years ago
DNR is on my will.

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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
I don't think people want to try anymore it's them that wantnplease realise we don't want to be your safety pillow xx



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
Maybe we're already in a safe place within death you will never no untill you go through your own death me I'm nearly there it's a beautiful place let's go xxx



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
With respect please xx

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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
Why is he so swollen

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@lucyterrier7905
@lucyterrier7905
1 year ago
Scleraderma??? Completely misdiagnosed! She has Borreliosis. Many autoimmune diseases are csused by Borreliosis. The CDC finally updated their website on Borellia.



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@maggieotsuka1266
@maggieotsuka1266
5 years ago
Let her go.so she will be free of pain.

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@TheAmatureHobbyist
@TheAmatureHobbyist
5 years ago
half the problem now is students coming in, this person wont make it so they treat them differently. quite frank its bull hucky. every case is unique we need to get out of the mind set as care workers they are just that one case.

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@millieburgess5191
@millieburgess5191
5 years ago
my mom was on oxygen then they got family get up there first then when they took the oxygen off of mom mom having being in pain I ask them give my mom something  to help my mom
 pains for when she passed away I try get o er it my family says let it go Millie bit I can't me and mom lived together take care of my mom I knew there was something was wrong when mom just. sit on the chair where my mom was sit pee and shit finally I told mom I need call ambulance after that my mom was in the hospital since October until November then she went in a nursing home my brother took cupcake for mom.birthday then turn around mom went to the hospital Icu I spent the night with mom then next day my brother came got me said Millie mom not going to live very long I look shock we went there they ask do we want move the oxygen I told them what until we want to do I just hope I did right thing to take my mom oxygen off I feel guilty for doing it I hurt grief real bad my other family said your be alright but sometimes I want to end it cause my family don't know how I'm really hurting

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@deathwishchrisreilly5194
@deathwishchrisreilly5194
5 years ago
Nitrogen, helium, fentany! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 One way or the other I'm coming baby! I don't want another day! I wish I could trade my life, somebody more deserving!

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@kingofpop-rock25
@kingofpop-rock25
3 years ago
This is scary 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️



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@vilashini12
@vilashini12
3 years ago (edited)
44:58 did he just say to the doctor “hey girl”. Lol



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
Just like falling off clliffe we are not knowing xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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@pascibs1579
@pascibs1579
5 years ago
As a critical care nurse.. I can tell you some stories..🤦🏽‍♀️

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@tonino5113
@tonino5113
5 years ago
dear doctor reasoning in this way must be convenient for your pockets, it is not correct and not even ethical to lie and subjecting poor patients to painful and useless treatments



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@JeanetteAAvila
@JeanetteAAvila
4 years ago
🤵❤️💔🙏🙏🙏😭😭😭😭



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@ellahosokawa4663
@ellahosokawa4663
4 years ago
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@aydenspuppetproductions2002
@aydenspuppetproductions2002
5 years ago
What was the sickness of the black woman



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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
Your holding your loved one in limbo!!!! No quality of life!!!!



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@NYRIKAN
@NYRIKAN
5 years ago
I WANT TO DIE IN COLORADO DRIVING  A JEEP

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@ibraveheart5700
@ibraveheart5700
3 years ago
I’d prefer to die peacefully in my bed at my home like my grandmother did. Not hocked up to damn Machines



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@frlouiegoad4087
@frlouiegoad4087
1 year ago
GOD!  Never do this to me!!!!



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@Reaper1947
@Reaper1947
5 years ago
When it's over it's over, let them go. TheReaper!

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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
This Family isnt fair



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@dannadavis3359
@dannadavis3359
5 years ago
You no nobody realised how a stroke will affect you most of your life if I cry to much shut up crying don't do don't do this do they all think I want to be this way also we the nobody understands I just want not be here don't keep people alive with no future let us just go with rex



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@eizabethevans3054
@eizabethevans3054
5 years ago
I can well agree with spending whatever it takes to keep people alive and healthy , that depends on the age of the person , it is a burden to the family if they cannot afford to pay for the health care , in America we know there is no .N.H.S. I think it is a waste if money is being spent on the eldery, what do I mean by the elderly, forms 80plus, I except there will be grasps of horror at my one suggestion of 80yrs..but there you go, that's how it is , by the way I am 82yrs of age so I would be amongst my own group of ( time to go dear )!!!!

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@robertawesterberg3567
@robertawesterberg3567
4 years ago
Anticipating my death from stomach cancer, kidney disease, stroke, or whatever,  I am SO GLAD I am on the POLST Registry in my state.  DO NOT RESUSCITATE and PALLIATIVE CARE ONLY are my wishes on this side of the Abyss.  (POLST Physician Orders for Life-Sustaining Treatment).

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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
That sucks

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@8ofwands300
@8ofwands300
5 years ago
This is an excellent documentary - I've seen it before - but this upload is of very blurry, poor quality.

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@purpleangelwings6579
@purpleangelwings6579
4 years ago
We have no right to kill .....life is always a good thing ......



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@dougbell3279
@dougbell3279
1 year ago
Aaaa



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@whendis.roberts9903
@whendis.roberts9903
2 years ago
What's that big lump on the left side of your head?

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@tiffanyhall1944
@tiffanyhall1944
5 years ago (edited)
hiv, emphysema and stroke
people shouldn't live in the icu

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@millieburgess5191
@millieburgess5191
5 years ago
my mom passed away November 13 I had watch my mom death then I told them give my mom something for pain so she won't feel no pain

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@TheSerpentEagle
@TheSerpentEagle
1 year ago
Nobody can die that has not lived. It's elementary actually. I did find the documentary usefully un-useful, I did however find it very entertaining..



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@minmaungmaung8129
@minmaungmaung8129
5 years ago
It's a sin to prolong the life of a terminally ill patient by all sorts of machines hooked up to his/ her body. It just makes the patient suffers more. The bottom line is, the patient owns his/ her life more than anybody, including his/ her family and relatives. If he/she no longer wished to suffer, it's the duty of the doctors to pull off the plugs after explaining to the family, whether they agreed or not.

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@Frampa
@Frampa
5 years ago
Nobody wants to die but we all have to unless Jesus returns

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@frlouiegoad4087
@frlouiegoad4087
5 years ago
They clean to life! Because they "KNOW"  The Fires of Hell are open!



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@frlouiegoad4087
@frlouiegoad4087
5 years ago
HIS!!!!! "INSURANCE"!

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‘Frontline,’ in ‘Facing Death,’2010 The NYTimes

‘Frontline,’ in ‘Facing Death,’ Addresses Treatments - The New York Times

TELEVISION REVIEW | ‘FRONTLINE: FACING DEATH’

Postponing the Inevitable vs. Denying the Inevitable

At the Mount Sinai bone marrow transplant unit in New York, Dr. Keren Osman, seated, discusses treatment with a patient.Credit...Courtesy of Frontline


By Ginia Bellafante
Nov. 22, 2010


The latest “Frontline” documentary comes with a blunt, no-one-was-aiming-for-lyricism title: “Facing Death.” The name and the accompanying promotional materials, with an image of a corpselike hand on a hospital bed, suggest a resurrection of the kind of tired and unwinnable debates that surrounded the case of Terri Schiavo. But the film, produced by Miri Navasky and Karen O’Connor, who paid such elegant tribute to the grim subject of mortuary work in “The Undertaking,” ambitiously explores the complex questions that arise about extending life when a patient is not merely in a persistent vegetative state.

At the heart of the documentary, which was filmed at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York and is to be shown Tuesday on PBS, is the issue of modern medicine as both blessing and curse. Aggressive treatments can now keep terminally ill patients alive, often in states of pain and profound misery, for additional weeks or even months, but at great physical, emotional and literal cost. With health care expenses rising, there is obviously much concern about the billions of dollars a year spent on end-of-life care — a subject also recently exhaustively addressed in an article by the physician Atul Gawande in The New Yorker.

Doctors and terminal cancer patients appear in the film navigating the difficult choice between doing more medically, when “more” typically means enhanced pain, and doing less, when “less” means that death comes sooner.


What makes the film difficult to watch is that the dying people featured are typically middle-aged or young, with every incentive to want to keep going and experimenting. “Some physicians can keep giving treatment, and some find it unacceptable, and that, I think, is where the art of science and medicine mix,” Dr. Keren Osman, a doctor in the hospital’s bone marrow transplant unit explains, saying also that with certain patients, she regrets not having stopped treatment earlier, because they suffered unnecessarily.

But, of course, the whole concept of what is and isn’t necessary has so much to do with the psychology of the patient and the family. “Facing Death” is at its most discomfiting when the camera turns to the faces and the conversations of those who don’t show signs of accepting death — when they are telling their spouses that they are going to “beat this.” As one doctor in the film puts it, “Nobody wants to die, and at the same time nobody wants to die badly.”

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Produced by Frontline with Mead Street Films. Written, directed and produced by Miri Navasky and Karen O’Connor; Daisy Wright, editor; Lee Wang, field producer; Ben McCoy, director of photography; Steve Roseboom, sound; Will Lyman, narrator.
A version of this article appears in print on Nov. 23, 2010, Section C, Page 4 of the New York edition with the headline: Postponing the Inevitable Vs. Denying the Inevitable. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe