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Classic writings from the great Zen master in exquisite versions by Thomas Merton, in a new edition with a preface by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.Working from existing translations, Thomas Merton composed a series of his own versions of the classic sayings of Chuang Tzu, the most spiritual of Chinese philosophers. Chuang Tzu, who wrote in the fourth and third centuries B.C., is the chief authentic historical spokesperson for Taoism and its founder Lao Tzu (a legendary character known largely through Chuang Tzu’s writings). Indeed it was because of Chuang Tzu and the other Taoist sages that Indian Buddhism was transformed, in China, into the unique vehicle we now call by its Japanese name―Zen.

The Chinese sage abounds in wit and paradox and shattering insights into the true ground of being. Thomas Merton, no stranger to Asian thought, brings a vivid, modern idiom to the timeless wisdom of Tao.




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“A most admirable introduction to this less known but important source book of Taoism.”
- Alan Watts, The New York Times Book Review

“Thomas Merton is the saintly man who caused the Dalai Lama to come to admire Christianity as the equal of his beloved Buddhism.”
- Robert Thurman

“Merton is an artist, a Zen.”
- Thich Nhat Hanh
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Thomas Merton (1915-1968) entered the Cistercian Abbey of Gethsemani in Kentucky, following his conversion to Catholicism and was ordained Father M. Louis in 1949. During the 1960s, he was increasingly drawn into a dialogue between Eastern and Western religions and domestic issues of war and racism. In 1968, the Dalai Lama praised Merton for having a more profound knowledge of Buddhism than any other Christian he had known. Thomas Merton is the author of the beloved classic The Seven Storey Mountain.


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Paperback: 160 pages
Publisher: New Directions; Second edition (March 30, 2010)
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5.0 out of 5 starsThe Trappist mystic's take on a Taoist Classic
ByBernie GourleyTop Contributor: Fantasy BooksTOP 1000 REVIEWERon March 24, 2016
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“The Way of Chuang Tzu” is Thomas Merton’s take on Chuang Tzu’s lessons of Taoism. One might ask why a person should learn about Taoism from a Trappist monk any more than one would learn the teachings of St. Francis of Assisi from a Zen monk. Maybe you should and maybe you shouldn’t, but I think Merton did a remarkable job in putting this book together and that there’s a lot to be learned from it. Some may find a fresh fusion in Merton’s approach to Chuang Tzu.

What I like most about this version of Chuang Tzu’s teachings is that Merton doesn’t foul it up with a bunch of analysis. Because the lessons are short and—admittedly, in some cases—arcane, there’s a temptation to write in a bunch of explanation and analysis—both to hit a page quota and to prove how smart the translator is. Ironically, some don’t seem to see the irony of rambling on in explication of Taoism—a philosophy that advocates simplicity and rebukes the wordy for their arrogance. Merton doesn’t fall into this trap. He offers a few pages of introduction as context for the reader, and then moves straight into 62 lessons of Chuang Tzu.

I’d say the introduction is useful, particularly for individuals without a great deal of background in Taoism. In it, Merton gives insight into potentially confusing topics like wu-wei (actionlessness), the yin/yang dichotomy, and the divergence of Taoists from Confucian scholars on the four-fold Ju philosophy of virtue. However, the intro can also be skipped if you do know a about Chinese philosophy, and don’t care to read a commentary on Taoism inflected with Trappist worldview. (Taoists may want to skip the intro if they’re prone to becoming infuriated by an outsider proposing that their life philosophy took a wrong turn along the way. Merton suggests that one shouldn’t confuse Chuang Tzu’s Taoism with what the system has become, the implication being that it was a sound philosophy and became voodoo hokum in modern times.) Merton does inevitably project some of his own worldview as a Christian monk into Chuang Tzu’s teachings. Some might find this to make for a refreshing commentary on it, and others may find it a bit off the mark on occasion.

Merton’s poetic background serves him well here as many of the lessons are in poetic form—partially or totally. Translating poetry is one of the most difficult linguistic tasks imaginable. Merton has the added challenge of never having read the original. He doesn’t read any Chinese languages. He did, however, consult four different translations in three different languages (English, French, and German.) This, of course, means that besides Merton being in the text, there’s a further seepage of Western framing into these Eastern teachings. I’ll leave it to the reader to decide whether this is a good or bad thing, and arguments could be made either way.

One of the strengths of Chuang Tzu’s lessons is his use of the narrative form. That is, the Taoist sage liked to use stories to impart his wisdom, like the wheelwright who insults the Emperor but then ends up teaching him a valued lesson. One of my favorites is the story about the Prince of Chu sending out high ranking emissaries to appoint Chuang Tzu to a ministerial post. Chuang Tzu explains why he is turning down the offer by way of an allegory about a turtle.

Chuang Tzu also uses dialogue to get his point across in a way that is easy to follow and clear. A prime example of this is the discussion between Chuang Tzu and Hui Tzu about the happiness of fishes, which has an almost Socratic ring to it. The combination of story and dialogue makes Chuang Tzu’s lessons sometimes easier to follow than the “Tao Te Ching” of Lao Tzu. Lao Tzu tends to be more arcane by way of his use of short, declarative statements that are vaguer and abstract (that could be a good thing, but given vast loss of cultural context it might be confusing as well.)

I’d recommend this book for anyone interested in Taoism. I enjoyed the Merton’s sparse approach, and think that he does a good job conveying Chuang Tzu’s lessons.

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5.0 out of 5 starsThis book is an excellent starting place in the study of the early writings ...
ByBret Blakesleeon March 4, 2015
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This book is an excellent starting place in the study of the early writings of the Tao.

I have a lot of different translations of the works of Chuang Zi. None of them are exactly like the others. Translating from ancient Chinese must be a real challenge since all of them are quite different . Most of them however get the gist of the subject. Merton may get it more than many who try to translate word for word. This is a transliteration of Chuang's work. Kind of like Edward FitzGerald's transliteration of Omar khayyam's Rubaiyat. FitzGerald didn't translate Khayyam's work. But he did a truly remarkable job of getting the meaning of several of Khayyam's quatrains.

And this is a remarkable book in the very same manner. I always have an extra or two on hand to give away to people who might get something from it. I've given away more than 50 to date. I think that much of it. Yes, Merton does see the Tao through Christian eyes but I allow for this and translate it back to the Tao in my head. Or, at least, my image of the Tao which, by definition, must be imperfect. But, as I said, I've read (and re-read) several translations of the Chuang Tzu, the Lieh Tzu, the Tao Te Ching, the Analects, the Doctrine Of The Mean, the Han Fei Tzu, the I Ching, and several other early works of the Tao, the Chan, and Zen, All of which come directly from these books.

And Merton gets it. He doesn't get it all. Or, maybe, he doesn't present it all here, I can’t actually speak to what Merton gets or doesn’t get. But this book is an excellent starting place in the study of the early writings of the Tao. It's easy to read and easy to comprehend, but there is a lot in it. Every time you read it you will get something new out of it. Like most beginnings it can be re-examined and studied at most places along the way and It never fails to offer a good foundation. If you don't start here, it offers an alternative foundation that will, at least, be interesting.

You can do a lot worse than buy this book. Reading it until you get all the meaning out of it will reward you greatly. Have fun. It’s worth it.

[You will notice this book has only 1 (at this time of this review) negative review. I think that review speaks for itself. But like most of his ilk he seems uncomfortable with the English language and it’s uses, and sees conspiracy everywhere because he understands nothing. ‘Nuff said ‘bout this.]

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5.0 out of 5 starsAn Important Ecumenical Work
ByLawrence Weberon March 23, 2014
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The Way of Chuang Tzu, by Thomas Merton, is the product of five years of immersion, study, prayer, and reflection on the work of Zhuangzi, one of the towering figures in Chinese Taoism (Daojia) who lived sometime between the Fourth and Third Century BC.

According to Merton, the notes based on his meditative readings, "have acquired a shape of their own and have become, as it were, 'imitations' of Chuang Tzu." Merton goes on to describe these imitations as personal spiritual interpretations and should not be mistaken for scholarship.
What evolves then becomes a multi-layered tapestry of the poetic, intuitive, provocative, and complex. Merton has found a kindred spirit in Chuang Tzu, and there is little doubt that Merton and Master Chuang share a viewpoint of life that may be common to many monastics across a broad spectrum of religious and philosophical disciplines. This kinship needs no justification by Merton, a towering figure of Twentieth Century Catholicism in his own right; and Merton goes on to say that he "may be pardoned for consorting with a Chinese recluse who shares the climate and peace of my own kind of solitude, and who is my own kind of person."

To attempt an understanding of Chuang Tzu, it is essential to understand the world in which he lived. Confucianism was the dominant Chinese philosophy of Chuang Tzu's time; and while Chuang Tzu often ridiculed Confucianism as too restrictive, it would be too simplistic to state that Taoism stood in direct contrast to Confucianism. According to Merton, "if Chuang Tzu reacted against the Ju doctrine [of Confucianism], it was not in the name of something lower-the animal spontaneity of the individual who does not want to be bothered with a lot of tiresome duties-but in the name of something altogether higher. This is the most important fact to remember when we westerners confront the seeming antinomianism of Chuang Tzu or of the Zen masters." While Confucius could advocate for Tao, Chuang Tzu believed that he was not referring to what he believed was the "great Tao" which is invisible and incomprehensible-the Eternal Tao.

For Chuang Tzu, the Eternal Tao was the source of all things. Chuang Tzu critiqued Confucius because he refused to focus his teachings on the Eternal Tao simply because it was unknowable. According to Chuang Tzu, only when one was connected in some way to the Eternal Tao (a connection beyond both words and silence), could one truly begin to understand how to live. Merton interprets Confucian understanding of Tao to be an "ethical Tao" or a "Tao of man," and he equates this understanding to be on par with the Christian interpretation of the Golden Rule. Merton concludes that this interpretation of Tao is not the Eternal Tao that Chuang Tzu espouses. Chuang Tzu eventually discarded this Confucian interpretation as illusory; where everything is distilled and categorized into a universal ethic of Tao (The Tao of Fatherhood is given as an example).

Merton brilliantly synthesizes Chuang Tzu's critique of the Confucian ethic of the "Superior Man" with the example of the heroic and the virtuous public servant by explaining that even the good and the noble person:

Engages in a self-conscious and deliberate campaign to 'do his duty' in the belief that this is right and therefore productive of happiness. He sees 'happiness' and 'the good' as 'something to be attained,' and thus he places them outside himself in the world of objects. In so doing, he becomes involved in a division from which there is no escape: between the present, in which he is not yet in possession of what he seeks, and the future in which he thinks he will have what he desires...

Chuang Tzu believed that abstractions such as "happiness," "virtue," and "justice" were concepts placed into the world of objects to be attained, and should be considered ambiguous at best, dangerous at worst. Here he means that whatever one considers good (the good) to be attained (as outside of one's self), the more the good becomes abstracted and unattainable. Instead, Chuang Tzu advocated Wu Wei, or non-action.

According to Chuang Tzu, Wu Wei is not concerned with conscious planning; in fact self-conscious action of any type is restrictive and stands opposed to the Eternal Tao. When you are in harmony with the Eternal Tao, right action, virtue, and good, which always manifest at the appropriate time without self-conscious deliberation, will intuitively become known to you, and you will act with Tao in full freedom. This concept of Wu Wei is reminiscent of the Gospel passage from Saint Matthew, "Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me (MT 16:24)." Dying to one's self or dying to one's self-consciousness is essential. Similarly, Saint Paul echoes this theme in Galatians 2:20 when he says, "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." It is not difficult to imagine the phrase sounding like this: I no longer live, but Tao (the Eternal Tao) lives in me.

Here is where I believe Merton finds a kindred spirit in Chuang Tzu. Merton recognizes that Chuang Tzu is actually moving into an area of mysticism which goes beyond mere object good, into metaphysical truth. He does not disdain virtue, good, happiness etc...He transcends them. I like that Merton recognizes in Chuang Tzu a man who challenges Merton's own vocation to solitude and contemplation, and I admire Merton all the more for confronting Chuang Tzu's critiques of contemplation and the interior life by deeply connecting his monasticism with Tao. "The true tranquility sought by the 'man of tao' is Ying ning, tranquility in the action of non-action, in other words, a tranquility which transcends the division between activity and contemplation by entering into union with the nameless and invisible Tao." I believe Merton equates this with divine union.

Finally, it is critical to understand that for Chuang Tzu, Tao is found everywhere; in the same way that Christians believe that God is both omnipresent and omniscient (Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good). Merton connected to this abstraction personally. In living out Wu Wei, Chuang Tzu advocated a non-action that was in complete harmony with Tao-in other words-perfect action. Merton described this as "action not carried out independently of Heaven and earth...in perfect harmony with the whole. It is not mere passivity, but it is action that seems both effortless and spontaneous because performed "rightly," in perfect accordance with our nature and with our place in the scheme of things. It is completely free because there is in it no force and no violence. It is not "conditioned" or "limited" by our own individual needs and desires, or even by our own theories and ideas."

Today, when I read John 17:21, "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me," it is not difficult to think that Thomas Merton, perhaps more than any Catholic during the last century, truly recognized the common spiritual unity (the oneness of each other's souls as grounded in the Triune-One) we all share as brothers and sisters in this world. Reading The Way of Chuang Tzu, truly contemplating Merton’s interpretive message which is rooted in his own Christology, and then living it out through Chuang Tzu's idea of non-action, becomes a great way to continue the wonderful ecumenical work Merton engaged in so selflessly when he recognized how interconnected he was with his brother Chuang Tzu, and how God (Eternal Tao) ultimately connects all of us together in the oneness of mystery and truth.

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By♫NewHorizons♫on February 6, 2018
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Thomas Merton's takes on Chuang Tzu. I've read this countless times over the past couple decades. Delightful.

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4.0 out of 5 starsThe Way of Chang Tzu by Thomas Merton
Byiwishmikeyon February 15, 2013
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I have read many of Thomas Merton's works. I enjoy his introductions in the main, but this time I thought the introduction "awfully wordy;" not incorrect, or poorly thought out; just full of verbiage. This is my only complaint.

The approach with Taoism, by a Cistercian Monk seemingly moving away from dogma -- but not really away from dogma -- a kind of Chuang Tzu approach is welcomed in a world where Catholicism is being challenged more and more. I am a lapsed Catholic that "religiously" prays the Liturgy of the Hours.

This book gives a novel way of approaching whatever we consider reality. It does not suggest a way to God, it suggests an approach in living and thinking.

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5.0 out of 5 starsEastern wisdom from Christian perspective
ByGerry O'Sullivanon December 15, 2014
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Thomas Merton's interpretations of Chuang Tsu's writings on Tao and Confucianism provide a wonderful vehicle for the contemplation of Self, Selflessness, No-Being and any other labels you want to tag onto the Meaning of Life. As an aspirational Buddhist, I found it offered me a refreshing perspective on my learnings. And you can pick it up and leave it off anywhere throughout the text. Most highly recommended.

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5.0 out of 5 starsGreat Translation and Format
ByP. Gormanon December 5, 2015
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Love this book and especially this format. Would like to see more, as this one is currently out of print and hard to find. Regardless, Merton retells these stories more credibly than other translations I've read.

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5.0 out of 5 starsAnother Merton winner
ByBarbara Duquette Sylvainon February 26, 2018
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Merton does it again, makes you think, smile, wonder and admire. You'll ponder his poems long after you put the book on the shelf.


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Bypure_honeyon June 17, 2016
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A book that should be in the curriculum of every well rounded individual.

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5.0 out of 5 starsMy favorite of the many out there
ByGavin G. Dillardon February 18, 2015
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Merton's translation is infinitely readable. My favorite of the many out there. His intro is brilliant as well—except for that one part about comparing Changzi to the Apostle Paul (go figure!).

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Merton, one of the rare Western thinkers able to feel at home in the philosophies of the East, made the wisdom of Asia available to Westerners.

"Zen enriches no one," Thomas Merton provocatively writes in his opening statement to Zen and the Birds of Appetite―one of the last books to be published before his death in 1968. "There is no body to be found. The birds may come and circle for a while... but they soon go elsewhere. When they are gone, the 'nothing,' the 'no-body' that was there, suddenly appears. That is Zen. 

It was there all the time but the scavengers missed it, because it was not their kind of prey." This gets at the humor, paradox, and joy that one feels in Merton's discoveries of Zen during the last years of his life, a joy very much present in this collection of essays. 

Exploring the relationship between Christianity and Zen, especially through his dialogue with the great Zen teacher D.T. Suzuki, the book makes an excellent introduction to a comparative study of these two traditions, as well as giving the reader a strong taste of the mature Merton. Never does one feel him losing his own faith in these pages; rather one feels that faith getting deeply clarified and affirmed. Just as the body of "Zen" cannot be found by the scavengers, so too, Merton suggests, with the eternal truth of Christ.----------------

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"Zen enriches no one," Thomas Merton provocatively writes in his opening statement to Zen and the Birds of Appetite--one of the last books to be published before his death in 1968. "There is no body to be found. The birds may come and circle for a while... but they soon go elsewhere. When they are gone, the 'nothing,' the 'no-body' that was there, suddenly appears. That is Zen. It was there all the time but the scavengers missed it, because it was not their kind of prey." This gets at the humor, paradox, and joy that one feels in Merton's discoveries of Zen during the last years of his life, a joy very much present in this collection of essays. Exploring the relationship between Christianity and Zen, especially through his dialogue with the great Zen teacher D.T. Suzuki (included as part 2 of this volume), the book makes an excellent introduction to a comparative study of these two traditions, as well as giving the reader a strong taste of the mature Merton. Never does one feel him losing his own faith in these pages; rather one feels that faith getting deeply clarified and affirmed. Just as the body of "Zen" cannot be found by the scavengers, so too, Merton suggests, with the eternal truth of Christ. "It was there all the time but the scavengers missed it...." --Doug Thorpe
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In this collection of essays Merton wrote about complex Asian concepts with a Western directness.
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Thomas Merton (1915-1968) entered the Cistercian Abbey of Gethsemani in Kentucky, following his conversion to Catholicism and was ordained Father M. Louis in 1949. During the 1960s, he was increasingly drawn into a dialogue between Eastern and Western religions and domestic issues of war and racism. In 1968, the Dalai Lama praised Merton for having a more profound knowledge of Buddhism than any other Christian he had known. Thomas Merton is the author of the beloved classic The Seven Storey Mountain.Return to Product Overview


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Thomas Merton (1915-1968) is arguably the most influential American Catholic author of the twentieth century. His autobiography, The Seven Storey Mountain, has millions of copies and has been translated into over fifteen languages. He wrote over sixty other books and hundreds of poems and articles on topics ranging from monastic spirituality to civil rights, nonviolence, and the nuclear arms race.

After a rambunctious youth and adolescence, Merton converted to Roman Catholicism and entered the Abbey of Gethsemani, a community of monks belonging to the Order of Cistercians of the Strict Observance (Trappists), the most ascetic Roman Catholic monastic order.

The twenty-seven years he spent in Gethsemani brought about profound changes in his self-understanding. This ongoing conversion impelled him into the political arena, where he became, according to Daniel Berrigan, the conscience of the peace movement of the 1960's. Referring to race and peace as the two most urgent issues of our time, Merton was a strong supporter of the nonviolent civil rights movement, which he called "certainly the greatest example of Christian faith in action in the social history of the United States." For his social activism Merton endured severe criticism, from Catholics and non-Catholics alike, who assailed his political writings as unbecoming of a monk.

During his last years, he became deeply interested in Asian religions, particularly Zen Buddhism, and in promoting East-West dialogue. After several meetings with Merton during the American monk's trip to the Far East in 1968, the Dali Lama praised him as having a more profound understanding of Buddhism than any other Christian he had known. It was during this trip to a conference on East-West monastic dialogue that Merton died, in Bangkok on December 10, 1968, the victim of an accidental electrocution. The date marked the twenty-seventh anniversary of his entrance to Gethsemani.
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inch worm

3.0 out of 5 starsCourageous and insightfulFebruary 29, 2016
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Thomas Merton here takes on the difficult task of finding common ground between the tenets of Zen Buddhism and the Christian monastic tradition. Speaking personally as a practising Zen Buddhist I found it more illuminating with regard the similarities of the Christian tradition. I
learnt a good deal about the ins and outs of what Merton would probably not see as mysticism but nevertheless the aspects of
Christian worship which is often kept from the lay people and is more profound fare for the consumption of the monks. This is an honest book and more of such searching for common ground between the religions can only be a good thing in my view.

I feel that the penetration of the depths of Zen Buddhism and in particular the purpose behind much of the deliberately illogical and obtuse aspects of it was only patchily understood but nevertheless it is a rewarding and interesting read if a little wordy and intellectual.

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5.0 out of 5 starsAre Christianity and Zen Incompatible?March 20, 2014
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If one is speaking of Christianity and Zen Buddhism at the core, Merton says, yes, they are incompatible. Buddhism would deny that there is value in the personality, that it must be deconstructed and absorbed into the One, while Christianity says the purpose of the Incarnation was to take down only what was false in man and give new life to his original design, his core being. Christian unity with God is not personal dissolution but the removal of all barriers between knowing and being known. (To be fair, not all Zen masters agree with the above classical Buddhist outlook-- D.T. Suzuki, for example.)

When separated from Buddhism and seen as a discipline and a way of perceiving, Zen can be extremely useful to anyone who is seeking to know God and the true soul/spirit beneath the false self or the "old man", whichever you prefer. The world we live in (and the self that perceives it) really is one of pretense and illusion-- even in religion-- and the more tools we have to remove the masks and facades, the better. Merton's book is very helpful in removing some common fears and misconceptions about using these tools, and in increasing communication between people and cultures who use different words to describe a common goal.

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Benjamin Vineyard

4.0 out of 5 starsHow does Merton connect Zen (distinct from Buddhism) to the story of Jesus?April 19, 2013
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Zen and the Birds of Appetite (Thomas Merton)
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Initial Question:
How does Merton connect Zen (distinct from Buddhism) to the story of Jesus? What's "broken" and how does Merton suggest redemption and repair?

Musings Influenced by the Book:
Zen is not a thing; it's more of an absence. Within the Christian experience, it is the absence of resistance to Christ living in us and through us. Zen is not an obedience, but an alive-ness to what is, an absence of the question - it simply is.

Stripped of its Buddhist story, Zen as a reality fits within the Christian experience. Zen is the experienced reality of St. Paul's phrase, "It is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me." The ancient Christians referred to this as "union" with God - an expression of life that lived from the core of the human person and seen from within as an inability to discern the origin of action: was it God or me who did this? This blur, this lack of question, and this free expression of what is (without resistance) is living "Zen."

My favorite quote:
"...liberation from his inordinate self-consciousness, his monumental self-awareness, his obsession with self-affirmation, so that he may enjoy the freedom from concern that goes with being simply what he is and accepting things as they are in order to work with them as he can." *Zen and the Birds of Appetite* p. 31

The general take away:
Awakening is the goal. This is something Christians have always talked about. The Christian sense of awakening differs from the traditional Buddhist story with regards to what one awakens to.

For the Christian, awakening is coming to the sense of the Father's divine love and present care and seeing all things that would flounder that reality purge away. It is in the life of Christ living in us that we come to see this love and have it live through us.

For the Buddhist, the awakening is more of a coming to see that all things are life and that there is no individual "me" - I am the Life, you are the Life, and all things that exist are life in this moment.
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James Kenney

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There is an innocence, almost a naivete, to this book that helps convey the ineffable essence of the mystical experience
March 5, 2018
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A difficult but intriguing book, by a famously open minded explorer of Christianity and the Eastern way of finding "salvation" in the here and now, via Zen meditation. Thomas Merton's prose is tangled, so the book is harder to read than it needed to be, however, discussions of mysticism both East and West are notoriously hard to follow and understand.

What comes through most clearly is Thomas Merton himself: his sincerity, gentleness and genuine desire to understand, and to share that understanding, of the nature of this peculiar experience we call "life." There is an innocence, almost a naivete, to this book that helps convey the ineffable essence of the mystical experience, and its life consequences for those struck by its lightning.


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This is a collection of essays published over the years dealing with Thomas Merton's great interest in Eastern Religion, especially Buddhism and more precisely Zen Buddhism. Merton had perhaps one of the clearest understanding of Zen, and in the ways which it came close to touching western mysticism in some of the Rhenish Mystics (Ekhart and Ruysbroek) and even St. John of the Cross. The final Essay is a dialogue between Merton and the great Japanese Zen Master D. T. Suzuki, a treasure of a document. Two of the greatest minds of the twentieth century coming together from totally different cultures and meeting in the harmonious atmosphere as two monks having tea together. A wonderful read.

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5.0 out of 5 starsMedicinal Mind: Healing Emotions in Religion and ScienceFebruary 1, 2011
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The work Healing Emotions: Conversations with the Dalai Lama on Mindfulness, Emotions, and Health is from the 1990 Mind and Life Conference, sponsored by the Mind and Life Institute, an organization that fosters constructive dialogue between contemplatives and scientists with the intent to alleviate human suffering. The book recounts the proceedings of the conference, including presentations by specialists of Buddhism, religious studies, psychology, neuroscience, and medicine, as well as subsequent dialogue among the contributors. Under discussion are ethical and biological models for interpreting emotions and the relationships between meditation, medicine, and emotion, directed by the question of whether the mind can heal the body.

Like the other Mind and Life publications, this work is both fascinating and frustrating. The content is tantalizing, but tangents frequently interrupt the topic under discussion. Moreover, there is little introductory information and cohesive analysis is lacking as well. Both of these critiques can be expected though, as they are typical products of a conference environment. And in exchange for depth, the work provides breadth. By exploring a plethora of views, the dialogue makes this a great topical resource on emotion in religion and science. Furthermore, the text demonstrates not only the potential, but also the reality of the medical use of meditation, as well as the important role of emotions in health. Intriguing and even inspiring, readers from diverse backgrounds will find merit in this work.
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Very interesting and in depth discourse covering a wide variety of topics regarding mindfulness, emotions and health. My own background is in Psychology, Exercise Physiology and Health Education. I find the minds behind these conversations fascinating. The discussions entail an exploration of the science(s) with regards to mindfulness. The conversational style of the presentations make me feel like I'm sitting around in a small room with the authors of the book, who casually exchange philosophies, definitions, ideas, ideals and much more on the topics. Brilliant, really.

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This is a lovely series of conversations between scientists, including the well-known Daniel Goleman, of Emotional Intelligence and Social Intelligence fame, and the Dalai Lama. I would probably give this a 4.5 stars, if it were available, as I so much enjoyed the mutual respect between the "panelists" who compare findings in neurology, psychology, psychiatry, sociology and long-held wisdom in Buddhism.


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This book gets a little technical in a couple of chapters, but overall is a fantastic, informative, and interesting book involving conversations between the Dalai Lama and heads of medical and scientific fields discussing health and wellness. It is a more in depth conversation of the old adage "mind of matter".


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The book is basically a dialog between Dalai Lama and the Western society. I did not find this book very interesting or informing. Several people are just describing the opinions and differences between western and eastern sociological ways of thinking. No, I would not recommend this book.
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Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics

Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics

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In July 1996, an historic five-day meeting of Buddhist and Christian monks and nuns occurred at the Abbey of Gethsemani, the retreat of Thomas Merton.

The book offers 25 presentations on aspects of spirituality by leading Buddhist and Christian practitioners, including the Dalai Lama

The subjects range from ultimate reality and spirituality to prayer and meditation, and community and spiritual guidance, along with highlights of the actual dialogue itself.














Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics Paperback – January 4, 1999
by Donald Mitchell (Editor), James Wiseman (Editor)
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"Gatherings of spiritual practitioners from different backgrounds, such as the Gethsemani Encounter, are of immense value. It is my hope that readers of this book may find in it the inspiration and understanding that in some way contribute to their own inner peace."
His Holiness the Dalai Lama

"A remarkably rich document, encompassing vast areas of Christian/Buddhist monastic concerns. Part 1 offers presentations on ultimate reality and spirituality, prayer and meditation, community and spiritual guidance. Part 2, the real treasure, contains dialogue between Buddhist and Christian monks, including the Dalai Lama, on subjects from mind and virtue to grace, the nature of tragedy and violence, and the importance of social action."—Library Journal
About the Author



James A. Wiseman, O.S.B., is an Associate Professor of Theology at The Catholic University of America and has twice been a Visiting Professor in the Department of Religious Studies at Yale University. He has edited or co-edited four previous books, including The Gethsemani Encounter. Father Wiseman is a member of the monastic community of St. Anselm's Abbey in Washington, D.C.


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5.0 out of 5 starsTruly different,humble and Divine
ByA. HoganVINE VOICEon February 8, 2001
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The Gethsemani Encounter was perhaps one of the great overlooked religious moments in the past decade. In the hills of Kentucky, in the oldest Trappist monastery in the United States,monastics from all over the world gathered to dialogue,to learn,to agree and disagree.The meeting place was suggested By The Dalai Lama,who in a moving afterword says"And so for the rest of my life,the impact of meeting him will remain until my last breath."The him is Thomas Merton, who met with the Dalai Lama on his final journey through the east in 1968.The talks in this book are broken up into sections{Journey and Dialogue,Prayer and Medidtation,Method and Expierence, Growth and Development,etc.} with speakers from both Buddhist and Christian monastic tradition sharing their expierence and strength. Some of the participants are truly moving: Ven. Maha Ghosananda of Cambodia speaking briefly on THE HUMAN FAMILY,the dalia lama on THE BODHISATTVA AND SOCIETY,,PRAYER AS PATH by Pierre-francios de bethune`Mary Margaret Funk,OSB on Lectio DIVINA,and many more. An over used term, treasure trove is quite appropriate. This is a collection to return to, to glean ,to nurture the soul.TO Open This volume isto enter a holy place . Truly magnificent.

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3.0 out of 5 starsWhat a Wonderful Book!
ByTOM CORBETTon September 15, 2007
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this book is ground-breaking, a dialogue between buddhist thought of various different types with some of the most wonderful christians on this planet. this dialogue was engineered by the christian monastic order of the Trappists to enrichen their own faith and understanding through a deeper understanding of buddhist practice and thought. it was also held to facilitate love and understanding between these two religions.

in this book, buddhist thought is clearly presented, though christian thought and experience not quite so clearly, but still some of the beauty of christian monastic life and worship comes out in these pages.

the buddhist heritage is the self or buddha 'nature', this comes out clearly in these pages. the buddha nature I call the supernature or indestructible image or kingdom of god within us . everyone has this... it is the power inherent within everyone to attain or realise anything. the supernature does not require one to be a buddhist, hindu, christian, atheist or whatever one comes up with. inherent within us all "the kingdom of God is within you". we all have within us the power or gentleness to become anything. this is the greatest gift of buddhism and hinduism and jesus. that our self contains all we need in order to evolve beyond even the angels. jesus said that this indestructible image is within all of us, he said that "the kingdom of god is within you". this kingdom is like the smallest of all seeds, but if planted in good soil, watered and given sunlight it will slowly but surely grow into the mightiest of trees. this growth is sometimes described by buddhists as a gradual clearing away of dust from a mirror. we gradually purify our own seeing of our true selves, that we are made in the image of god. defilements fall off, one becomes purer, kinder and more loving. and what is the kingdom/image of god? the image of god is the true love that is sown in our hearts. "be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect." (jesus). we are called to become blameless.

there is not much said about the power of evil to derail ones practice. we as christians should appreciate the potential within us for good, but not forget that there are dark/evil forces in this life and within us that will seek to twist ones path, and that ultimately in the face of these, prayer and Gods protection will be a tremendous support.

the goal of using our supernature is to become what we should be... "to go and sin no more" this possibility is within each and every one of us, even a blade of grass. to become like job "a perfect man", change is possible. when we think of the kingdom of god within us, or the true-nature or whatever you want to call it, it is not something big out there, it is closer to us than our own heart. the image of god within us. we access our supernature through things such as concentration, prayer, the vows, deeds of kindness and worship of true love.

anyone can become a god, or buddha and will hopefully go beyond such labels and terms through this goodness within them. we as christians do well to realise that everything of value found in buddhism and hinduism is found in the teachings of christ. jesus in johns gospel quotes "i have called ye gods"... now it is time to realise this truth. not only to aspire to be gods but to become godly, god like. free of greed, selfishness, wanton cruelty etc etc. excercise the 'super-nature'/image of god within you. we should not only rely on the forgiving grace of jesus, but also should aspire to become like jesus. jesus died for the wicked and evil... yes, but it is his desire that we should become like him, with no longer need for forgiveness, but personal perfection in our hearts and lives. we should not only rely on jesus's redemptive virtue, but also be prepared to redeem ourselves. we have the power to redeem ourselves within us. we need purity of heart, purity of mind and purity of action. this is only possible with true love and deep down this is within all of us.

seek the truth and you will find it, seek it within you and you will find it within you. this is the gift of true love to all.

may sweetness and kindness be upon all who read this article.

with all my love, snow-flake. xxx

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5.0 out of 5 starsReading this book is a deepening encounter
ByJoyceon October 1, 2013
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The Gethsemani Encounter was a week-long meeting of 25 Christian and 25 Buddhist monastics who are mature practitioners and teachers of spirituality. The book includes talks given by representatives of different traditions on different aspects of the spiritual life and discussions on many issues including anger, love, humility, practice, suffering, sacrifice, social action, and women's issues. I have noticed that my own encounter with Buddhism (mostly through meditation retreats) has deepened my understanding of Christianity. Many of those participating in this dialogue noted a deepening of their own tradition as a result. Reading about this dialogue can be itself such an encounter.

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Since 1977 the small group of North American Christian monastics, monks and nuns, have established exchanges with non-Christian monastics, principally Buddhists but also with Hindus and Moslems. Attempting to identify both similarities and differences in practice rather than examine dogmas, this Monastic Interreligious Dialogue (MID) group sponsored speakers, programs and publications, and eventually engaged in sending small groups of members to visit the exiled Tibetan monastics, followers of the Dalai Lama, in India, and brought representatives from India to visit American and Canadian monasteries.
The Gethsamani Encounter was designed to extend the mutual understanding these former programs had developed to a still deeper level. It lasted almost a week. Participants were restricted to twenty-five Christians and twenty-five Buddhists from all parts of the world. The site chosen was Gethsemani Abbey in Kentucky, a Trappist monastery whose most well-known member, Thomas (Brother Louis) Merton had died just twenty-five years earlier. He was one of a small group of pioneer Christians interested in Buddhism and died just shortly after having met the Dalai Lama. This confluence of place, history and dates made Gethsemani ideal for this meeting.
This book presents all of the Buddhist and Christian papers presented in multiple sessions daily. Often a group of papers would cluster around a particular theme (meditation; training) and would not only expose the common themes but especially the distinctive notes of each special group--different Buddhist lineages; various Christian groups. Presenters came from the U.S. and Canada, Europe, India, Burma, Cambodia, Japan and other areas giving presentations which inspired, informed and clarified. They also exposed questions and themes still needing more penetration. Consequently the contents of this publication are not only unique but they also supply a high level watershed from which further clarity and mutuality can emerge. The editors, themselves participants in the encounter, James Wiseman, OSB and Donald Mitchell are specialists who make the contents of the papers accessible to the uninitiated and informative to the specialist. This book is without parallel and is meaningful for both the person seriously interested in Buddhism, Christianity, monasticism and East-West exchanges and those who are unfamiliar with the material but ready to become richly informed.

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Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics

Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics

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In July 1996, an historic five-day meeting of Buddhist and Christian monks and nuns occurred at the Abbey of Gethsemani, the retreat of Thomas Merton.

The book offers 25 presentations on aspects of spirituality by leading Buddhist and Christian practitioners, including the Dalai Lama

The subjects range from ultimate reality and spirituality to prayer and meditation, and community and spiritual guidance, along with highlights of the actual dialogue itself.














Gethsemani Encounter: A Dialogue on the Spiritual Life by Buddhist and Christian Monastics Paperback – January 4, 1999
by Donald Mitchell (Editor), James Wiseman (Editor)
4.4 out of 5 stars 6 customer reviews

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"Gatherings of spiritual practitioners from different backgrounds, such as the Gethsemani Encounter, are of immense value. It is my hope that readers of this book may find in it the inspiration and understanding that in some way contribute to their own inner peace."
His Holiness the Dalai Lama

"A remarkably rich document, encompassing vast areas of Christian/Buddhist monastic concerns. Part 1 offers presentations on ultimate reality and spirituality, prayer and meditation, community and spiritual guidance. Part 2, the real treasure, contains dialogue between Buddhist and Christian monks, including the Dalai Lama, on subjects from mind and virtue to grace, the nature of tragedy and violence, and the importance of social action."—Library Journal
About the Author



James A. Wiseman, O.S.B., is an Associate Professor of Theology at The Catholic University of America and has twice been a Visiting Professor in the Department of Religious Studies at Yale University. He has edited or co-edited four previous books, including The Gethsemani Encounter. Father Wiseman is a member of the monastic community of St. Anselm's Abbey in Washington, D.C.


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ISBN-10: 0826411657
ISBN-13: 978-0826411655
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5.0 out of 5 starsTruly different,humble and Divine
ByA. HoganVINE VOICEon February 8, 2001
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The Gethsemani Encounter was perhaps one of the great overlooked religious moments in the past decade. In the hills of Kentucky, in the oldest Trappist monastery in the United States,monastics from all over the world gathered to dialogue,to learn,to agree and disagree.The meeting place was suggested By The Dalai Lama,who in a moving afterword says"And so for the rest of my life,the impact of meeting him will remain until my last breath."The him is Thomas Merton, who met with the Dalai Lama on his final journey through the east in 1968.The talks in this book are broken up into sections{Journey and Dialogue,Prayer and Medidtation,Method and Expierence, Growth and Development,etc.} with speakers from both Buddhist and Christian monastic tradition sharing their expierence and strength. Some of the participants are truly moving: Ven. Maha Ghosananda of Cambodia speaking briefly on THE HUMAN FAMILY,the dalia lama on THE BODHISATTVA AND SOCIETY,,PRAYER AS PATH by Pierre-francios de bethune`Mary Margaret Funk,OSB on Lectio DIVINA,and many more. An over used term, treasure trove is quite appropriate. This is a collection to return to, to glean ,to nurture the soul.TO Open This volume isto enter a holy place . Truly magnificent.

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3.0 out of 5 starsWhat a Wonderful Book!
ByTOM CORBETTon September 15, 2007
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this book is ground-breaking, a dialogue between buddhist thought of various different types with some of the most wonderful christians on this planet. this dialogue was engineered by the christian monastic order of the Trappists to enrichen their own faith and understanding through a deeper understanding of buddhist practice and thought. it was also held to facilitate love and understanding between these two religions.

in this book, buddhist thought is clearly presented, though christian thought and experience not quite so clearly, but still some of the beauty of christian monastic life and worship comes out in these pages.

the buddhist heritage is the self or buddha 'nature', this comes out clearly in these pages. the buddha nature I call the supernature or indestructible image or kingdom of god within us . everyone has this... it is the power inherent within everyone to attain or realise anything. the supernature does not require one to be a buddhist, hindu, christian, atheist or whatever one comes up with. inherent within us all "the kingdom of God is within you". we all have within us the power or gentleness to become anything. this is the greatest gift of buddhism and hinduism and jesus. that our self contains all we need in order to evolve beyond even the angels. jesus said that this indestructible image is within all of us, he said that "the kingdom of god is within you". this kingdom is like the smallest of all seeds, but if planted in good soil, watered and given sunlight it will slowly but surely grow into the mightiest of trees. this growth is sometimes described by buddhists as a gradual clearing away of dust from a mirror. we gradually purify our own seeing of our true selves, that we are made in the image of god. defilements fall off, one becomes purer, kinder and more loving. and what is the kingdom/image of god? the image of god is the true love that is sown in our hearts. "be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect." (jesus). we are called to become blameless.

there is not much said about the power of evil to derail ones practice. we as christians should appreciate the potential within us for good, but not forget that there are dark/evil forces in this life and within us that will seek to twist ones path, and that ultimately in the face of these, prayer and Gods protection will be a tremendous support.

the goal of using our supernature is to become what we should be... "to go and sin no more" this possibility is within each and every one of us, even a blade of grass. to become like job "a perfect man", change is possible. when we think of the kingdom of god within us, or the true-nature or whatever you want to call it, it is not something big out there, it is closer to us than our own heart. the image of god within us. we access our supernature through things such as concentration, prayer, the vows, deeds of kindness and worship of true love.

anyone can become a god, or buddha and will hopefully go beyond such labels and terms through this goodness within them. we as christians do well to realise that everything of value found in buddhism and hinduism is found in the teachings of christ. jesus in johns gospel quotes "i have called ye gods"... now it is time to realise this truth. not only to aspire to be gods but to become godly, god like. free of greed, selfishness, wanton cruelty etc etc. excercise the 'super-nature'/image of god within you. we should not only rely on the forgiving grace of jesus, but also should aspire to become like jesus. jesus died for the wicked and evil... yes, but it is his desire that we should become like him, with no longer need for forgiveness, but personal perfection in our hearts and lives. we should not only rely on jesus's redemptive virtue, but also be prepared to redeem ourselves. we have the power to redeem ourselves within us. we need purity of heart, purity of mind and purity of action. this is only possible with true love and deep down this is within all of us.

seek the truth and you will find it, seek it within you and you will find it within you. this is the gift of true love to all.

may sweetness and kindness be upon all who read this article.

with all my love, snow-flake. xxx

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5.0 out of 5 starsReading this book is a deepening encounter
ByJoyceon October 1, 2013
Format: Paperback
The Gethsemani Encounter was a week-long meeting of 25 Christian and 25 Buddhist monastics who are mature practitioners and teachers of spirituality. The book includes talks given by representatives of different traditions on different aspects of the spiritual life and discussions on many issues including anger, love, humility, practice, suffering, sacrifice, social action, and women's issues. I have noticed that my own encounter with Buddhism (mostly through meditation retreats) has deepened my understanding of Christianity. Many of those participating in this dialogue noted a deepening of their own tradition as a result. Reading about this dialogue can be itself such an encounter.

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ByJohanna Beckeron April 4, 2002
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Since 1977 the small group of North American Christian monastics, monks and nuns, have established exchanges with non-Christian monastics, principally Buddhists but also with Hindus and Moslems. Attempting to identify both similarities and differences in practice rather than examine dogmas, this Monastic Interreligious Dialogue (MID) group sponsored speakers, programs and publications, and eventually engaged in sending small groups of members to visit the exiled Tibetan monastics, followers of the Dalai Lama, in India, and brought representatives from India to visit American and Canadian monasteries.
The Gethsamani Encounter was designed to extend the mutual understanding these former programs had developed to a still deeper level. It lasted almost a week. Participants were restricted to twenty-five Christians and twenty-five Buddhists from all parts of the world. The site chosen was Gethsemani Abbey in Kentucky, a Trappist monastery whose most well-known member, Thomas (Brother Louis) Merton had died just twenty-five years earlier. He was one of a small group of pioneer Christians interested in Buddhism and died just shortly after having met the Dalai Lama. This confluence of place, history and dates made Gethsemani ideal for this meeting.
This book presents all of the Buddhist and Christian papers presented in multiple sessions daily. Often a group of papers would cluster around a particular theme (meditation; training) and would not only expose the common themes but especially the distinctive notes of each special group--different Buddhist lineages; various Christian groups. Presenters came from the U.S. and Canada, Europe, India, Burma, Cambodia, Japan and other areas giving presentations which inspired, informed and clarified. They also exposed questions and themes still needing more penetration. Consequently the contents of this publication are not only unique but they also supply a high level watershed from which further clarity and mutuality can emerge. The editors, themselves participants in the encounter, James Wiseman, OSB and Donald Mitchell are specialists who make the contents of the papers accessible to the uninitiated and informative to the specialist. This book is without parallel and is meaningful for both the person seriously interested in Buddhism, Christianity, monasticism and East-West exchanges and those who are unfamiliar with the material but ready to become richly informed.

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The Good Heart: A Buddhist Perspective on the Teachings of Jesus

His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Introduction and Christian Context by Laurence Freeman, OSB. Translated from the Tibetan and Annotated by Geshe Thupten Jimpa. Edited with a Preface by Robert Kiely. Boston: Wisdom Publications,

1996.

This book represents the proceedings of the John Main Seminar which met in September 1994 at Middlesex University in London. The Dalai Lama has been presented with eight texts from the Christian scriptures (two from each of the four gospels) and invited to comment on them in light of Buddhist teaching and spiritual practice. For those unfamiliar with those texts, Laurence Freeman's contextualization of the gospel passages toward the end of the book provides helpful background. (Helpful too are the two brief glossaries of major Christian and Buddhist terms.) Those familiar with the Christian texts under discussion will be disappointed if they look to the Dalai Lama's comments for insights into those texts, or even for providing a considered Buddhist response to selected teachings of Jesus. The texts serve instead as jumping off points for an exposition of Buddhist teaching and practice which a Christian reader could find both illuminating and religiously stimulating.

After reading what the Dalai Lama had to say about on the Sermon on the Mount, for example, it is hard to find any basis in his comments for responses· such as the following: "I speak for myself, and I think for all of us here, when I say that it was very moving for me as a Christian to hear you read the words of Jesus with such purity and deep understanding of their meaning" (p. 56), or "It is a Christian belief that when Scripture is read by someone with a good heart, it comes to life for all of us again. For me, and I think for many of us here, hearing you read those words did that
for us" (p. 57) . Or again, the Dalai Lama hears in the text of Mk 3:31-35 ("Whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother" [Mk 3:35]) an affirmation cin Jesus' part of the fundamental unity and equal ity of all human beings (p. 69).

But he does not advert either to what doing the will of God concretely entails in the context of Mark's gospel, or to the implied criticism in this passage of Jesus' biological family.

Its excessive enthusiasm does not further the cause of ecumenical dialogue, neither does inaccurate presentation of one ' s own tradition. One of the Christian respondents noted: "But one of the miss ions of Jesus was to shift our way of relating to God from that of fear or mere doctrine to one of a relationship of love and intimacy" and "we are called to become one with the same consciousness that Christ had" (p. 78). The first point is wrong, if it means to suggest that devout Jews before and during Jesus' lifetime did not enjoy a relationship of intimacy with God; and the second point is deeply problematic, if it implies that one can somehow know the consciousness of the historical figure of Jesus.

The various responses to the Dalai Lama's remarks which followed during the question and answer period may indicate among the Christian participants for yet deeper engagement with their sacred texts on the Dalai Lama's part.

Could he say more? The book teases the reader into wondering about the enormous possibilities within inter-religious dialogue, especially for those on the Christian side who share the contemplative sensibilities of their Buddhist counterparts. One would like to hear more from the Dalai Lama about his spiritual experience as he was drawn to pray in front of the image of Mary in the cave at Lourdes .

Finally, the fact needs to be continually underlined that while Buddhists meditate on and put into practice the Four Noble Truths without much preoccupation over the historical figure of the Buddha, Christians do not allow for the same detachment between the preaching and the person of Jesus. It would be a mistake to regard the figure of Jesus as an ascetic, a world-transcending contemplative, or a guide for deepening the interior life. Their respective stories reveal more contrasts than similarities, and the religious messages of their lives move in different directions.

In the end the book proves unsatisfying for two reasons, at least for this reviewer. First, the remarks of the Dalai Lama concerning the eight gospel passages are too impressionistic; they do no take into account current developments within Christian exegesis and scriptural study .

The remarks miss the deep Christian engagement with history and the
world. Second, dialogue is by its nature unfinished. When dialogue is fruitful, one always seeks more. Yet it sometimes appears that the desire for deep, lasting inter-religious conversation and the desire to learn about the religious other are markedly Christian than, say, a pressing concern among Buddhists. The Christian participants in the seminar appear to be more conversant with Buddhist teaching than the Dalai Lama is with theirs .

William Reiser, S.J. Department of Religious Studies College of the Holly Cross

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달라이 라마 성경을 말하다…성경강의 담은 `선한 마음` 출간
"석가모니는 불자 의식속에 들어와 하나가 되었으니 그 역시 `부활`…여러분의 원수가 가장 훌륭한 스승"
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입력 : 2017.12.24

1994년 9월 영국 런던 미들섹스대학.
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티벳불교 지도자인 달라이 라마가 청중 앞에서 강연을 시작했다. 강연의 주제는 `선한 마음 : 예수의 가르침에 대한 불교도의 견해`였다.

달라이 라마는 `원수를 사랑하라`는 메시지가 담긴 마태복음 5장 43~48절을 또박또박 읽은 뒤 이렇게 말했다.

"이 구절을 읽으니 `대승집보살학론`에 나오는 `적에게 자비를 베풀지 않는다면 그대는 도대체 누구에게 자비를 베풀수 있겠는가?`라는 말이 생각납니다.
여러분의 적은 여러분에게 가장 훌륭한 정신적인 스승이 될 것입니다. 여러분의 영적 수행에서 적의 존재는 결정적인 역할을 할 것입니다. 마태복음에 나오는 `해는 비추는 곳을 가리지 않는다`는 말은 자비를 설명하는 더없이 훌륭한 비유입니다."

 세계 그리스도교 명상공동체(WCCM)가 주최한 세미나는 3박4일간 쉼 없이 계속됐다.

최근 출간된 책 `선한 마음`(불광출판사)은 이때 강연 내용을 담은 책이다. 영어권에서 출간 즉시 베스트셀러가 됐던 이 책은 존경받는 종교지도자의 열린 자세가 돋보인다. 달라이 라마는 타 종교에 대한 거부감이나 혹은 그 대척점에 있는 외교적인 발언을 모두 뛰어넘는 혜안을 보여준다.

그는 불교와 기독교의 차이를 인정하면서 `신앙`이 가진 궁극적 가치를 설명한다.

"불교를 믿는 사람들은 자신이 부처가 되기를 염원합니다. 그리스도교를 믿는 사람들은 이런 용어나 표현을 사용하지 않습니다. 하지만 여기에 있는 그리스도를 믿는 여러분도 신성을 얻고 싶은 열망, 하느님과 하나가 되고 싶은 열망은 있을 것입니다. 이 열망이 커지면 확신이 되고 이것이 곧 신앙이 되는 것입니다. 결국 신앙은 같은 것입니다."

강의는 상대방에 대한 존중을 바탕으로 시작해 웃음과 감동으로 끝났다. 달라이 라마는 때로는 겸손하게 자신의 기독교에 대한 무지를 인정했고, 때로는 어느 석학 못지않은 지적인 향연을 펼쳐보였다.

"열반 후 부처님의 몸은 화장되었고, 많은 사람들이 그것을 실제로 보았습니다. 하지만 부처님은 불교수행자들의 의식 속에 들어와 하나가 되었습니다."

기독교의 `부활`과 불교의 다른 점을 달라이 라마는 이렇게 설명한다. 자연의 근원으로 흡수되고 사람들의 마음속에 남아 있으니 그 역시 부활이라는 이야기다.

[허연 문화전문기자]
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달라이 라마가 본 그리스도교의 세계 - 법보신문



달라이 라마가 본 그리스도교의 세계 - 법보신문
승인 2004.08.10


불교와 그리스도교 유사·차이점 밝혀
종교 초월한 진솔한 법문 잔잔한 '감동'

《달라이 라마 예수를 말하다》

티베트 성자 달라이 라마가 기독교를 짚었다.
영국의 저명한 가톨릭 신부들이 티베트 영적 지도자이며 불교를 대표하는 달라이 라마를 1994년 9월 '존 메인 세미나'에초청, 사흘동안 특별 세미나를 연 바 있다. 세미나 주제는 성경 복음서 강의. 세미나를 주최한 신부들은 자신들이 가려 뽑은 성경 사복음서(마태,마가, 누가, 요한 복음)를 미리 달라이 라마에게 건네주고 그것에 대한 강의를 부탁했다. 《달라이 라마 예수를 말하다》(나무심는 사람)는 바로 그 역사적인 강론을 담은 기록이다.
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이 책에서 주목되는 것은 그리스도교인들이 명상을 통해 배타적으로 여기는 종교 중의 하나인 불교와 영적 초월의 만남을 시도했다는 점이다. 두 종교가 보다 깊은 차원에서 대화를 나누는 일이 필요하며 그것은 무엇보다 명상을 통해 가능하다는 사실을 전하고 있다.

달라이 라마는 한 구도자로서 그리스도교들이 불교에 대해 품고있는 의문을 풀어주고, 어떤 종교인이든지 각자가 추구하는 신앙을 통해 삶의 신비로운 본질을 찾아낼 수 있다고 설명한다.

불교와 그리스도교에 대한 달라이 라마의 시각은 눈여겨 볼만 하다. 그는 '불교와 그리스도교는 근본이 같지만 단지 서로 다른 언어로 표현되어 있을 뿐'이라는 주장에 대해 단호히 반대한다.

 불교 교리에서는 창조주 하나님 또는 인간의 모습을 하고 세상에 내려온 구세주를 인정하지 않기 때문에, 사람들이 스스로를 어설프게 '불교도이자 그리스도교'로 불러서는 안된다고 경고한다. 

그러나 도덕과 자비와 형제애와 용서를 강조한다는 점에서 두 종교의 유사점을 인정하고 있다. 서로 믿음이 다른 사람들은 학문적인 만남과 명상 그리고 성지순례를 통해 함께 할 수 있는 자리를 마련하라고 권한다.

복음서에 나오는 '모습의 변화'에 대해 깊이 탐구하면서, 그는 기적과 초자연 현상에 대한 불교의 시각을 독단주의와 감상에 빠지지 않고 박식하게 풀이해 나간다.
달라이 라마는 무엇보다 각자 자신의 종교를 보다 깊이 이해해야 함을 강조하고 있다. 특히 사람의 감성과 문화 배경이 너무도 다양하므로 오직 하나의 '길'만이 길일 수는 없다고 말한다.

달라이 라마 자신에게 생소할지 모르는 성경 구절을 맑은 시선으로 관조하고, 그 안에서 찾아낸 진리를 여과없이 들려 주는 법문은 종교를 초월해 모든 이들에게 감동을 주기에 충분하다. (나무심는 사람, 류시화 옮김, 7,800원)


채한기 기자

달라이 라마 예수를 말하다 -달라이 라마 / 류시화 옮김-

달라이 라마 예수를 말하다 -달라이 라마 / 류시화 옮김-

[달라이 라마 예수를 말하다]가 책의 제목이다
그리고 그 아래에 작게 붉은 색으로
'티벳의 지혜로 읽는, 달라이 라마의 성경 복음서 강의' 라고 적혀있다

이 책은 달라이 라마가 예수를 말한 것이 아니라
영국 카톨릭 신부들의 초청으로 사흘동안 북런던의 미들섹스 대학의 한 강의실에서
350여명 남짓한 그리스도교인들과 여남은 명의 불교수행자들을 놓고
카톨릭신부들이 선정하여 건네 준 성경의 여덟구절에 대하여

(산상수훈과 여덟가지 복에 대한 가르침 -마태복음 5장-,
겨자씨의 비유과 하느님의 나라-마가복음 4장-,
모습의 변화 -누가복음 9장-
부활-요한복음 20장- 등을 )

달라이 라마께서 강의하신 것이 그 내용이다.
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선한 마음(good heart)이 세미나의 주제였고
따라서 이 책의 원제목은 "선한마음 good heart"이다.
달라이 라마의 강의가 끝나면 신부들과 다른 참석자들이 함께 질문하고 토론하며
의견을 교환하고 명상을 하는 것이다.
(세미나 시작 전에도 명상)
달라이 라마께서는 그 자체로 '지혜의 바다'
그 존재 자체가 다르마의 표현인듯 불교경전이 아닌 성경을  놀랍도록 유연하게 설하여 주시는데 로렌 신부님께서는 처음부터 끝까지
그리스도교들이 믿어 의심치 않는 하느님과 예수님에 대해서 일관성 있게 설명하셨고
그런 의미에서 신부님은 스스로 불교와 그리스도교에 대해 담을 쌓고 평행선을 긋는 것처럼 느껴졌는데 (특히 예수님의 부활을 이야기 할때 윤회가 아니라 부활이라며
달라이 라마가 윤회라고 절대 이야기 하지 않았음에도

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달라이 라마, 달라이 라마 예수를 말하다
-달라이 라마가 윤회라고 절대 이야기 하지 않았음에도
그 변하지 않은 고지식한 그리스도교적 사고방식은-
당최...
달라이 라마에 대해서 사전지식은 있는것인지 의심스러웠다)
그래서 읽는 내내
로렌신부에 대하여는
-물론 내 주위에서 볼 수 있는 그리스트교 신자들과는 비교할 수 없이
유연하고 포용적이고 지적이었지만-
행행도처 지지발처가 느껴졌었다
(行行到處 至至發處)
달라이 라마의 강의는
달라이 라마의 정신을 말하지만
성경귀절들을 평생 연구하신 듯 편하게 이야기 하시며
그 정신이 모든 종교에 함께 하고 있음을 알려주신다
세미나가 끝나고 차례로
감사의 말을 전할때의
아일린 오히아의 이야기가 내 마음을 대신하는 듯 하였다.
더불어 뒷편에 짧게
달라이 라마와 티벳불교
그리고 티벳이 처한 상황에 대한 소개가
언론사와 언론이란 도대체 무엇을 하는 곳인가 하는 개탄을
다시한번 불러일으킨다.
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달라이라마, 불교의 눈으로 예수를 말하다 - 불교신문



달라이라마, 불교의 눈으로 예수를 말하다 - 불교신문

달라이라마, 불교의 눈으로 예수를 말하다

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승인 2017.12.26

선한 마음

달라이 라마 지음·류시화 옮김/ 불광출판사


티베트 불교 지도자 초청
‘기독교 세미나’ 세계 주목
강연 내용 모은 책도 화제

국내 첫 소개 류시화 시인
20여년 만에 번역서 재출간
진심담은 종교간 대화 감동

세계 기독교 명상공동체(WCCM)를 세운 존 메인 신부(1926~1982)가 세상을 떠난 후, 1984년부터 현재까지 매년 그를 기리는 ‘존 메인 세미나’가 열리고 있다. 이 가운데 지난 1994년 열린 세미나가 화제를 모았다. 티베트 불교지도자 달라이 라마를 초청해 3일 동안 기독교 성경의 주요 구절을 읽고 그 의미를 함께 숙고하는 뜻깊은 자리를 마련했기 때문이다. 당시 달라이 라마는 종교를 초월해 뜻깊은 대화를 펼쳐 세계 종교계에 깊은 인상을 남겼고, 관련 내용은 <선한 마음: 달라이 라마의 성경 강의>란 제목으로 출판됐다. 영어권 국가에 선보인 이 책은 출간 즉시 베스트셀러에 오르며 서양인들에게 불교와 기독교라는 서로 다른 두 종교가 인간 영혼의 성숙을 위해 어떻게 서로 만날 수 있는지를 잘 보여줬다는 호평을 얻었다.

국내에는 류시화 시인의 번역으로 1999년 <달라이 라마 예수를 말하다>란 제목으로 첫 선보여 독자들에게 잔잔한 울림을 줬다. 출판사 사정으로 절판되는 아픔을 겪기도 한 이 책이 20여 년 만에 현대인의 눈높이에 맞게 수정, 보완해 새롭게 출판돼 주목된다.

티베트 불교지도자 달라이 라마의 기독교인들을 대상으로 진행한 세미나 내용 책으로 엮은 것을 류시화 시인이 우리말로 새롭게 번역한 <선한 마음>을 최근 선보였다.


존 메인 세미나에서는 영적 추구에 평생을 바친 다양한 인물들을 초청해 영성과 기도, 명상, 타종교와의 대화 등을 주제로 강연을 듣는다. 특히 티베트 불교의 지도자이며 정신적 스승인 제14대 달라이 라마를 초청한 것은 그 자체로도 매우 특별한 자리였다. 당시 달라이 라마는 영국 북런던에 있는 미들섹스대학 강의실에서 기독교 대주교에서 인디언 원주민 주술사에 이르기까지 세계 각지의 종교인들이 참석한 가운데 예수의 가르침에 대한 강의를 시작해 큰 감동을 줬다. 이 책은 3일 동안 진행된 그 강의의 생생한 기록이다. 출간 직후 세계적인 베스트셀러가 되고 많은 나라의 언어로 번역됐다.

“그리피스 신부님은 그리스도교인의 시각으로 볼 때, 환생을 믿게 되면 개인의 신앙심과 수행이 약해질 것이라고 지적했습니다. 자신의 생명과 존재를 하느님이 직접 창조했다고 믿고 또 그것을 창조주로부터의 직접적인 선물로서 받아들인다면, 그 순간 피조물인 여러분과 창조주인 하느님은 매우 특별한 끈으로 연결됩니다. 창조주를 더 가깝고 밀접한 분으로 느끼게 하는 직접적이고 개인적인 관계가 생겨나기 때문입니다. 하지만 환생을 믿게 되면 창조주와의 그 특별한 관계가 약해질 수 있습니다. 저는 이 설명이 매우 설득력이 있다고 생각했습니다.” 

이 책은 기독교 성서의 가르침을 새로운 관점에서 보게 한다. 또한 강의 내내 풍기는 상대방을 향한 존중심과 부드러운 유머, 기독교 신부와의 진심 어린 대화가 책을 읽는 동안 마음을 따뜻하게 한다.

“개인적으로 그리스도교의 창조론과 신성한 창조주에 대한 믿음을 보면서, 저는 이런 믿음이 신도들에게 주는 가장 큰 효과는 다름 아닌 ‘자극’이라고 생각합니다. 다시 말해 선한 인간, 윤리적으로 성숙한 인간이 되려면 더 열심히 수행 정진해야 한다는 절박한 마음을 각자에게 심어 주는 일입니다. 창조주에 대한 믿음을 마음속에 갖고 있을 때 여러분은 자신이 이 세상에 존재하는 목적을 새삼 자각하게 됩니다.” 

달라이 라마는 시종일관 기독교에 대한 자신의 무지를 인정하고 때로는 겸손하면서도 분명하게 자신의 견해를 피력하고 있다. 타종교에 대한 주제넘은 분석이나 외교적인 타협이 아닌, 애정 어린 시각으로 기독교의 가르침을 바라보고 있다. 자신이 믿는 종교에 대해 흔들림을 잃지 않으면서 다른 종교의 가르침에서도 좋은 점을 받아들이는 모습, 선한 마음에 대한 고민과 노력이 담긴 모습이 인상적이다.

이와 더불어 달라이 라마는 하나의 보편 종교를 만드는 것에 반대한다. 오히려 “인간 존재가 매우 다양한 성향을 갖고 있기 때문에 우리에게는 서로 다른 종교가 있어야 한다고 느낀다”고 고백한다. 그는 기독교인은 진정한 기독교인이 되고 불교인은 순수한 불교인이 되는 게 좋다고 말하며 이렇게 당부한다. “제발 반씩 섞어서 믿지는 마십시오! 그저 마음만 혼란스러울 뿐입니다.” 두 종교는 완전한 깨달음에 이른, 영적으로 성숙한 마음을 지닌 사람을 탄생시키는 공통의 목적이 있고, 인간의 정신적 성향이 다양하다는 사실을 기억해야 한다는 달라이 라마의 가르침이다.