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How do Quakers who are atheist/agnostic interpret the meaning of "divine spark"? : Quakers

How do Quakers who are atheist/agnostic interpret the meaning of "divine spark"? : Quakers


How do Quakers who are atheist/agnostic interpret the meaning of "divine spark"?

Or do they just not embrace that aspect of Quaker beliefs? I can't see how to understand that concept outside of some belief in the supernatural.

I think the inclusiveness of Quaker meetings is deeply appealing (having come from a rigidly non-inclusive fundamentalist upbringing) and I'm just trying to make sense of it. I'm currently reading A Quaker Book of Wisdom by Robert Lawrence Smith. Thanks

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I'm a theist Quaker but this is how the nontheist Quakers I know think about it...so in Quakerism we talk about everyone having the Inner Light. To me, what the Inner Light is, defining it, that's less interesting than what it does, those effects. And the implications of treating yourself and others like they all have that potential.

Some people would say the Inner Light is God inside you. But if you don't believe in a god, you can still think of what the Inner Light does without imagining that it has a divine source: tapping into our innate sense of compassion, wisdom, and value. It's also the communal component of it, since you are learning from each person's unique take and how everyone in the community has it.

Personally, I find that variety of opinions about Inner Light and other ideas within Quakerism very beneficial. Because I think everyone has it regardless of what they believe, and I seek to learn from everyone.

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Thanks, that's helpful.

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the sociologist Durkheim talked a lot about the concept of “collective effervescence” and I think that’s another way non-theist friends can think about everyone having the inner light

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I'm sort of...spiritually wobbly (not a theist, but not really atheist either and think about it too much to be agnostic) and I think of the Inner Light as being a little "piece" of the Universe that is embedded in me. If you imagine a network of lots of little points of light (each one being a sentient entity) connected by threads, you can think of each point of light as a separate thing, but they also can be thought of as a unified whole (like the difference between a star and a constellation).

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For me personally, the Inner Light is representative of humanity. As other commenters have said, I view it as the fact that we are all, at an incredible base level, all united through being human. My faith and practices focus a lot around helping others and creating an equitable world - so the Inner Light for me is kind of an indicator that we all deserve happy and healthy lives!

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As an agnostic Quaker (who knows??), I believe that the idea of the inner light is THE foundational belief of Quakerism and I don’t know anyone who rejects the idea, regardless of how you say it (I prefer “that of God in everyone” - I know, I know). It is why Quakers rejected slavery, sexism and misogyny, abusive penal systems etc etc. Because how can you - for example - enslave another child of God or treat them badly? This is the opposite of what I grew up with in mainstream Christianity; where I was taught that all humans are essentially sinful and saved only by the grace of God. It’s such a more hopeful and cheerful belief!

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the majesty and wonder of natural processes is divine enough.

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The best approximation I can offer of my thinking on the topic:

I see something of God each hour of the twenty-four, and each moment then,
In the faces of men and women I see God, and in my own face in the glass,
I find letters from God dropt in the street, and every one is sign’d by God’s name,
And I leave them where they are, for I know that wheresoe’er I go,
Others will punctually come for ever and ever.

I know that the hand of God is the promise of my own,
And I know that the spirit of God is the brother of my own,
And that all the men ever born are also my brothers, and the women my sisters and lovers,
And that a kelson of the creation is love…

– Walt Whitman, Song of Myself (1892 version)

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So I’m not a Friend or anything, but an atheist who learned a little about Quakerism and am very OMG I THINK I LOVE IT!

When thinking about the “divine spark” and “light” I sort of interpret it as “humanity”…and no matter how “evil” someone seems, or anything like that, that at all of our cores we are profoundly complex human beings with full inner lives and nobody is 100% anything (except That B*tch ;) ). And there is some inherent good intent in everyone, even if tiny kernels of good intent.

I guess I sort of interpret “divine spark” as radical compassion? Keeping close the idea that every single person is worthy and we are all sharing this common experience of life.

Maybe I’m completely off base, I have a very rudimentary knowledge of all of this. But that was the first thing I was trying to figure out as an atheist, and where I landed.

As a recovering catholic, I am trying to figure out how to come to terms with the Christian roots of Quakerism myself.

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That makes sense, thanks!

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For me it's that sense of wonder you get when looking at sunlight shining through leaves, rainbows in spider webs, the aurora, or fractals or Fibonacci curves in nature, pictures from Hubble (and looking forward to James Webb!) and trying to understand what happens at CERN and LIGO, captivating music, beautiful works of art, that sort of thing.

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I'd say you're begging the question on what discipleship entails and why only certain forms involve systematic outreach. Quakers have always argued the Light of Christ illuminates everyone, even if they know little about the Jesus of scripture (as few liberal Friends today do). Classic Quaker "discipleship" (I'd say we'd prefer the friendship metaphor) is discerning and following the Light. The question is why in some periods this involves mission and at others is more quietist.

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Classic Quaker "discipleship" (I'd say we'd prefer the friendship metaphor)

Except when naming books. Then it's Book of Discipline not Book of Friendship ;)

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The person you're quoting isn't the one to which you're replying.

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Oh yes. Sorry. I followed the wong thread. I'll see if i can repost it where it belongs.

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Well, in my experience, it is just as I said. If people are really following "Christ within" then what should result is something congruent with the historical Christ of the Scriptures. The same Spirit that guided Jesus and the early Christians to evangelism guides us today. If that is not happening it's because people are following a different spirit, not because God has changed his mind.

The fact that many Quakers have little interest in the Scriptures (and some even cringe at any mention of them) speaks volumes as to where the movement is at spiritually today.

So it is no surprise there is little interest in evangelism. Much like the churches of today, what the Quakers once were is gone, and what remains is something else that carried on the name and some outward traditions, but not the substance which was Christ himself.

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I'd say you're begging the question on what discipleship entails

If we are talking about being disciples of Jesus, then I think the best way to determine what that means is to listen to what Jesus himself said about it, rather than coming up with our own ideas of how we would like it to be.


Classic Quaker "discipleship" (I'd say we'd prefer the friendship metaphor) is discerning and following the Light.

Here is how Jesus defined "the friendship metaphor": You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. (John 15:14)

This statement was not controversial to Early Quakers, whereas many modern day Quakers would be scandalized by it.

Collection: "The Friends Mission in Japan 1885-1947" | Archives & Manuscripts

Collection: "The Friends Mission in Japan 1885-1947" | Archives & Manuscripts

"The Friends Mission in Japan 1885-1947"

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This collection is comprised of the single volume of Tetsuko Kawahara's master's thesis, entitled "The Friends Mission in Japan: 1885-1947." The thesis was for the Graduate School of International Affairs at the University of Tsukuba. The manuscript features chapters on: Quakerism and Foreign Mission, the Friends Mission in Japan: the beginning 1885-1900, Social Orientation of Quakerism in a Changing World, and the Friends Mission in Japan: the Transformation. 1900-1947.

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