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Non-Christian and/or Non-Theist Quaker Perspectives - In the Quaker Tradition - Four Rivers Friends

Non-Christian and/or Non-Theist Quaker Perspectives - In the Quaker Tradition - Four Rivers Friends



Non-Christian and/or Non-Theist Quaker Perspectives

Posted by Laura Jones on February 15, 2014 at 10:08am in Quakers Intro

Some resources for those of us who are coming to Society of Friends as non-Christians and/or some aspect of non-theism, and for those who want to know more about those branches of Quaker belief/experience. There are many many blogs on these topics - lots of good reflection and discussion going on out there on the blogophere.
a) Nontheist Friends webpage:
http://www.nontheistfriends.org/
b) "Godless for God's Sake" book details -
http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/godless-for-gods-sake-2/
c) Quaker Universalist Voice webpage:
http://universalistfriends.org/
d) A discussion about Christian and non-Christian perspectives amongst Quakers:
http://universalistfriends.org/weblog/are-quakes-christian-not-christian-or-both
e) Transcript and podcast of Rev. Spong ( Reclaiming the Bible for a Non-Religious World ), because I like him:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/spiritofthings/spong27s-bible-for-the-non-religious/4169508#transcript
f) A nice blog post about Quakerism, pantheism, and my beloved Baruch Spinoza:
http://beestonquakers.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-pantheism-changed-my-prayer-life.html

The Quaker Way, A Rediscovery by Rex Ambler - In the Quaker Tradition - Four Rivers Friends

The Quaker Way, A Rediscovery by Rex Ambler - In the Quaker Tradition - Four Rivers Friends




A book Review by John Cowan, TCFM.
The Quaker Way, A Rediscovery by Rex Ambler succeeds its self-appointed task of providing an entryway to understanding Quakerism for the uninitiated and an opportunity to learn, relearn, solidify, and organize for Quakers of all levels of understanding. (That is for that branch of Quakers who worship by sitting in silence. I doubt that Evangelical Quakers will find it all that helpful nor is it intended for them.)
As a person who has attended a Quaker meeting for a decade, been a “convinced” (officially received into membership) Quaker for five years, and read prodigiously Quaker sources and Quaker literature for all that time, this book was a summary and culmination of all that went before. If you were to read one book this one is the best. If you were to read several, this book should be the first.
I wonder some at the sub-title of “A Rediscovery.” How is he rediscovering what I have already learned from other sources? But then I suspect he may be assessing the reality that what he presents may not be that widely known within Quakerism. The silence and the liberal mores of this branch of the Society of Friends of the Truth allows a freedom that defies confident descriptions of what is going on in a Meeting for Worship.
Ambler’s strategy is to avoid discussing our history, our organization, our dress, our internal quarrels and the major personalities in favor of focusing on the spiritual life of the Quaker, starting with the core, “What is the Quaker doing while sitting in silence?” Then spilling out from that point to the resulting attitudes and practices of the Quaker.
The core is seeking the truth by looking inward
first seeing the dirt, scum and evasions we hide from ourselves, and 
then the perfect image we hide behind, and 
then the truth of our being, and 
then the workings of the spirit and 
the growth of new being within us, a God-derived reality. 
(Here I am attempting to remain true to his perspective some of which is not mine while compressing more than a chapter of his thought into a paragraph. Forgive me any slippage from his intent.)
This search for the truth inside leads then to attitudes and actions. When meeting for work or decisions, we meet in such a manner as to care for the measure of truth held by each person in attendance

When in contact with other religions we recognize that they too deserve respect not only for their sincerity in seeking the truth but for the undoubted reality that they too hold a measure of the truth that may have been hidden from us. 

When invited to partake in war, we refuse. 
From our insight into ourselves we recognize the truth that there is “that of God in all” and it is not given to us to harm or kill other vessels of the divine. 

And so on. All stemming from the practice of silent sitting and observing our inner self.
Of course, this leaves out much about Quakerism, but this focus on the center provides in one small book (159 pages-8.5 by 5) the essence of the silent Quaker’s spiritual, and for that matter, life journey. If that is what you bought it for, you will be well rewarded.
Three notes: Ambler does offer descriptions of the internal growth of the Quaker based on present day psychological theory. They are useful but of course the Seventeenth Century Quaker did not think about spiritual progress in those terms. They might say, “Give up your own willing,” and Ambler will describe what that means in our terms. In some ways the brutal slap of the founders is more effective that the modern unpeeling of the spiritual onion. But both do not hurt as long as one remembers which is which.
Ambler also has a tendency to stray from the absolute dependency of the Quaker “giving up” to a slightly less giving in the giving up. For instance in the paragraph describing the core above he would have us “looking inward” which might imply a self-directed search where the founders would simply observe the inward light, which chooses what it chooses, as it selected for their attention what it would.
Ambler describes The Society of Friends as one among many religions. The founders did not feel that way, nor do I. They were confident that they were one of a kind, and the right kind at that. I am a little gentler feeling that Quakerism has grasped the truth to be found only in the silence, a rare occurrence in dualistic spirituality. That great truth can be grasped in many of the eastern religions but to join them seriously it is necessary to give up on the dualistic genius, that is: fixing the world. I too think we are singular. Not the sole possessors of truth, but with a unique perspective and a rare possessor of this measure of the truth.
Don’t let these caveats stand between you and buying the book. If you are ready for it now, there is much to be gained, and I know no better place to gain it.

The Quaker Way: A Rediscovery eBook: Rex Ambler: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

The Quaker Way: A Rediscovery eBook: Rex Ambler



Product Description

This book is an attempt 'to explain the Quaker way, as far as that is possible'. It is a distinctive way and, though perhaps no better than others, it has its own integrity and effectiveness. Although it is fairly well known, Quakerism is not well understood, so the purpose of this book is to make it intelligible, to explain how it works as a spiritual practice and why it has adopted the particular practices it has. It is aimed primarily at non-Quakers, who may nonetheless be interested to know what Quakerism is about.
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17 of 18 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa5ae85a0) out of 5 stars The Best Summary of Quakerism I have read 29 April 2014
By John W. Cowan 

The Quaker Way, A Rediscovery by Rex Ambler succeeds in its self-appointed task of providing an entryway to understanding Quakerism for the uninitiated and an opportunity to learn, relearn, solidify, and organize for Quakers of all levels of understanding. (That is for that branch of Quakers who worship by sitting in silence. I doubt that Evangelical Quakers will find it all that helpful nor is it intended for them.)

As a person who has attended a Quaker meeting for a decade, been a “convinced” (officially received into membership) Quaker for five years, and read prodigiously Quaker sources and Quaker literature for all that time, this book was a summary and culmination of all that went before. If you were to read one book this one is the best. If you were to read several, this book should be the first.

I wonder some at the sub-title of “A Rediscovery.” How is he rediscovering what I have already learned from other sources? But then I suspect he may be assessing the reality that what he presents may not be that widely known within Quakerism. The silence and the liberal mores of this branch of the Society of Friends of the Truth allows a freedom that defies confident descriptions of what is going on in a Meeting for Worship.

Ambler’s strategy is to avoid discussing our history, our organization, our dress, our internal quarrels and the major personalities in favor of focusing on the spiritual life of the Quaker, starting with the core, “What is the Quaker doing while sitting in silence?” Then spilling out from that point to the resulting attitudes and practices of the Quaker.

The core is seeking the truth by looking inward, first seeing the dirt, scum and evasions we hide from ourselves, and then the perfect image we hide behind, and then the truth of our being, and then the workings of the spirit and the growth of new being within us, a God-derived reality. (Here I am attempting to remain true to his perspective some of which is not mine while compressing more than a chapter of his thought into a paragraph. Forgive me any slippage from his intent.)

This search for the truth inside leads then to attitudes and actions. When meeting for work or decisions, we meet in such a manner as to care for the measure of truth held by each person in attendance. When in contact with other religions we recognize that they too deserve respect not only for their sincerity in seeking the truth but for the undoubted reality that they too hold a measure of the truth that may have been hidden from us. When invited to partake in war, we refuse. From our insight into ourselves we recognize the truth that there is “that of God in all” and it is not given to us to harm or kill other vessels of the divine. And so on. All stemming from the practice of silent sitting and observing our inner self.

Of course, this leaves out much about Quakerism, but this focus on the center provides in one small book (159 pages-8.5 by 5) the essence of the silent Quaker’s spiritual, and for that matter, life journey. If that is what you bought it for, you will be well rewarded.

Three notes: Ambler does offer descriptions of the internal growth of the Quaker based on present day psychological theory. They are useful but of course the Seventeenth Century Quaker did not think about spiritual progress in those terms. They might say, “Give up your own willing,” and Ambler will describe what that means in our terms. In some ways the brutal slap of the founders is more effective that the modern unpeeling of the spiritual onion. But both do not hurt as long as one remembers which is which.

Ambler also has a tendency to stray from the absolute dependency of the Quaker “giving up” to a slightly less giving in the giving up. For instance in the paragraph describing the core above he would have us “looking inward” which might imply a self-directed search where the founders would simply observe the inward light, which chooses what it chooses, as it selected for their attention what it would.

Ambler describes The Society of Friends as one among many religions. The founders did not feel that way, nor do I. They were confident that they were one of a kind, and the right kind at that. I am a little gentler, feeling that Quakerism has grasped the truth to be found only in the silence, a rare occurrence in dualistic spirituality. That great truth can be grasped in many of the eastern religions but to join them seriously it is necessary to give up on the dualistic genius, that is: fixing the world. I too think we are singular. Not the sole possessors of truth, but with a unique perspective and a rare possessor of this measure of the truth.

Don’t let these caveats stand between you and buying the book. If you are ready for it now, there is much to be gained, and I know no better place to gain it.
5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa5ae8900) out of 5 stars Good discussion of the Quaker Way 11 May 2014
By Bill Smith 

One of the best discussions of the Quaker Way rooted in the history of the Society of Friends. Many topics are covered rationally from a spiritual depth rather than an intellectual approach. Worship and discernment are coverage in depth and with modern Brirish Quakers in mind. This book is relevant for "unprogrammed" Friends in North America.
5 of 5 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa5ae8fa8) out of 5 stars Quaker clarity 22 February 2014
By rosemary dilworth 

We read this in our Quaker book club. It was very well liked by all our members as Ambler presents Quaker ideals in a way that makes them very accessible for everyone.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa5ae8e70) out of 5 stars Terrific overview of Quakerism; could be shorter book21 July 2015
By Rhonda 

An excellent review for and about Quakers. Very useful to understand the complexity of Quakerism, which looks so simple. But it seems repetitious/redundant in places. Could be a shorter book. Easy reading, good overview of what Quakerism is all about. I highly recommend it.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa5ae8d80) out of 5 stars Spiritual Adventure at its best! 31 May 2015
By carole whitten 

Rex Ambler draws on his teaching experience as a theology professor and practicing Quaker to immerse the inquiring reader in a spiritual adventure unlike any other. Intellectually satisfying and heartfelt story telling. The God Experience promised to all sincere seekers.

Spiritual Progress eBook: Francois Fenelon, Madame Guyon: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store

Spiritual Progress: Francois Fenelon, Madame Guyon



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Spiritual Progress is a collection of five powerful works intended for daily devotions and personal reflection. These five inspiring works are composed by three closely linked mystical thinkers of the 17th century--Francois Fenelon, Madame Guyon, and Pere La Combe. Fenelon, an archbishop, wrote the first two works, Christian Counsel and Spiritual Letters, which illustrate his keen sense of spiritual counsel. Madame Guyon, a close friend of Fenelon, wrote the next works, Method of Prayer and On the Way to God, which indicate the importance of constant prayer. Pere La Combe, the spiritual director of Madame Guyon, wrote the final work, Spiritual Maxims, which emphasizes the importance of desire and love for God. Each stirring work is divided into short chapters, making Spiritual Progress ideal for morning or evening devotions. It is thus a wonderful book full of guidance for one's spiritual progress.

The Complete Fenelon (Paraclete Giants) - Kindle edition by Francois Fénelon, Robert Edmonson.

The Complete Fenelon (Paraclete Giants) -by Francois Fénelon, Robert Edmonson.



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A priest recommended this writer to me, whom I was completely unfamiliar with. Fenelon's backround (covered in the introduction) is as interesting as his spiritual thinking. He originally from impoverished minor French nobility, from around the mid-late 1600s, when the nobility was starting to fall apart. He entered the priesthood, and eventually became an Archbishop, hobnobbing with the King at Versailles. 

However, Fenelon met this Mde. Guyon, who expounded a doctrine of "QUIETISM" (inner contemplation), along with a total abandonment to God. She was arrested and declaired ANTITHEMA by the church. Fenelon could have ignored this, and kept his wealth, statis, power...but instead followed his heart, and wrote a defense of Mde. Guyon before her execution. Fenelon lost THIS WORLD, but he gained THE SPIRITUAL WORLD. The Pope in 1699 condemned some of Fenelon's writings (At the insistence of the King of France, and other enemies at Court.) So FENELON was exiled, however, he kept up written correspondance with his spiritual children. These letters addressing various spiritual problems people face, make up the bulk of this title.

His work has been collected for a long time, under titles like THE ROYAL WAY OF THE CROSS, or MEDITATIONS ON THE HEART. 

For those of us with SPECIFIC spiritual problems, the book functions like a wise old saint ready to answer your every dilemna in life with compassion, and spiritual clarity. Naturally given his education, and time at the court as Archbishop, Fenelon has a beautiful, elegant, succinct writing style. He knew his letters were directed to others with just as much education, and erudite tastes, yet who still strived for spiritual awareness. But dont think that FENELON rolled over for these courtiers, and told them what THEY wanted to hear.
Even tho we dont know what his spiritual children were asking him, the letters each have titles, listed in full in the CONTENTS for each "book". This makes the edition very easy to use, as a resource for those struggling with their spirituality, but may not have a spiritual director, or may be in a large church who's priest may not have the time to devote to everyone's spiritual problems. Or, you may just be taking the path on your own, it doesnt matter. 

Fenelon wrote exclusively for christians, which in his world meant Catholics. Since much of this was written during the heights of the THIRTY YEARS WAR in Europe, and the Counter reformation, Fenelon DOES come out with the occasional stinger directed towards Martin Luther, and "those heathen protestants". Ususally spiritualy doenst date, because the TRUTH today, is the TRUTH from beginning to end...abiding truths are eternal, and live in the spiritual heart, not in church politics. However, if you can find it in yourself to overlook the attacks on protestants, you're in for a spiritually rewarding resource.

I find the book so useful. When I have a specific problem, I turn to the Contents page, find the problem, like "DEALING WISELY WITH THE FAULTS OF OTHERS", which Fenelon explains in two pages, without obtuse theological terms. I end up with at least good council about how to deal with the faults of others. IT may not always be what I WANT to hear, but its always insightful, and no doubt void of spiritual compromise on Fenelon's part. 


He writes from the heart, more than the head, as any mystic would. Nevertheless, Fenelon tacks Biblical backup onto his advice, when the situation calls for it. Some questions are almost too humiliating for some to seek out answers from their priest. Say I'm asking myself if my humility is a MASK, or is sincere from my heart. I look up "FALSE AND REAL HUMILITY", discovering answers, or at least an objective opinion. We all have our individual crosses, obviously. (Fenelon covers that on page 38, GODS INDIVIDUAL CROSSES). And, we each have certain problems (sins), that may plague US, but not someone else. I might think I'm very spiritually advanced, when I'm not at all. SO, i read "FALSE NOTIONS OF SPIRITUAL PROGRESS". If I'm bearing the lies of others, there's a wise answer for that situation. If not an answer, at least a sagacious observation about how to MAINTAIN under these hardships. 

Everything imaginable seems delt with at some point, from Spiritual aridity, to Spiritual Perfection. (aka Divine Union). The collected writings arent a metaphysical discourse reflecting scholasticism, or the logistics of theological debate, or an examination of the minutia of Catholic dogma. 

Fenelon has humbly bequeathed us answers for the EVERYMAN seeker. These topics cover everything from RULES FOR A BUSY LIFE, and LIVING IN THE PRESENT, to TRUE PRAYER OF THE HEART. (That was odd, cos PRAYER OF THE HEART is often considered the domain of the Orthodox theologican.) 

His "spiritual children" were from ALL walks of life-- the rich, affluent and powerful, to the lowliest of Monk or Nun. Tho our SPIRITUAL PATH starts from our individual soul's placement, it always end at the same place, ABANDONMENT to GOD. 

Abandoning ourselves to God's will fulfills our spiritual potential. Discovering the perfect method of bearing our own SPIRITUAL CROSS, reveals God's TRUE teachings direct from the Holy Spirit. I don't doubt that Fenelon was a great theologican, and well as a refined, charming courtier priest. When he abandoned religious titles, wealth, fame and luxury, in order to pursue the path of the renunciant, Fenelon moved into the realm of the Saint. 

His discourse is self effacing, and always concerned over the trials and temptations his spiritual children endured. If you are a christian, espeically catholilc, Episcopalian, Luthern, or even Orthodox, his philosophy should speak to you without issue. Since the spiritual topics are delt with directly, Fenelon's collection will be useful to anyone. Those who want some fast spiritual advice from a saintly person, without researching tons of theological texts for answers, here's a book for you. Since you can check inside the book with that feature Amazon has, I recommend that. You'll find his own words arent overflowing with stale Catholic Dogma, or obtuse thinking. 

For me, this book has been there with specific answers, when I most needed them. For that reason alone, it's a great asset for my own walk towards God. My that blessing be shared by others. PEACE.
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I am an avid reader and studier of God's Word, and I will boldly say that this is my all-time favorite book on how to live the Christian life. I have found none better--nope. Not Tozer, not C.S. Lewis. Fenelon is the best. Fenelon's words are the simplest phrases, just like the simplicity that is in Christ. You can't help but benefit from his simple direct encouragement and counsel. I have highlighted nearly 50% of the book, and am encouraged EVERY time I read it. I have emailed quotes from Fenelon too many times to count. His words were perfect for living during the reign of Louis XIV, and they are perfect for living now--if your goal is to seek Christ with all your heart.

Get this book.
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Format: Paperback
Having read this book through three times since receiving it, the spiritual depth of understanding that can for those who will hear what Fenelon is saying, only bring forth spiritual fruit in abundance. 
He repeatedly confronts us with our greatest enemy, SELF, this inward monster that if permitted to live is the ultimate barrier to anyone who desires to have a relationship with G-d, who also along with Moses desire above all else to see His glory and be transformed by it from the inside outward.
For those who are unfamiliar with such works as these, which would include Madame Guyon, who in my humble opinion does not approach the height this man brings one too, must understand that his writing must be read with an attitude of meditation, one must digest his words and ruminate upon them that the life present within, bursts forth like the sun through dark clouds.
My inward journey towards the heart of G-d has been greatly enhanced because of this book and there is a continual sense of the vail which naturally hides the majesty of G-d when self is on the throne, is being slowly dismantled so that the glory of His person is becoming more of a reality.
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This book was worth every hour it took to digest. It takes wisdom to eloquently and succinctly teach truth about suffering, God's nature, relationships, and joy. It's systematic theology the way it should be taught...unsystematically. There are some pages where I highlighted almost the entire page. I encourage you to take a look at the table of contents as the titles accurately describes the chapters. The book is an easier read than most dead guys, and I appreciate the concise thinking. Here are some quotes:

"You will always find freedom in God so long as you do not give way to the false idea that you have lost your freedom."

"It would be as great a miracle to see a person full of self die suddenly to self-consciousness and self-interest as it would be to see a child go to bed a mere child and rise up the next morning thirty."

"He never willingly puts us to any pain. His fatherly heart does not desire to grieve us, but he cuts to the quick so that he may heal the ulcers of our spiritual being."

"self-love cannot bear to see itself. The sight would overwhelm it with shame and irritation, and if it catches an accidental glimpse, it seeks some false light that may soften and condone what is so hideous."

This book has been a surprise as I had never heard of Fenelon. I read it because it was referenced as one of the authors AW Tozer read. Hope to read it a couple of times. Currently on my top 10 list.