2021/02/26

Brinton CH 6 Reaching Decisions

 CHAPTER 6 Reaching Decisions

 

The Quaker movement began as a group held together by no visible bond but united by its own sense of fellowship, a kinship of spirit kept vital by concerned Friends who were continually traveling from one meeting to another. But it was soon found necessary to have some sort of organization dealing with practical matters. For example, there was immediate need of systematic help for persons suffering loss of property through distraint of goods to meet fines. Arrangements had to be made for the validity of marriages without the usual service of an officiating clergyman. The poor were cared for, burials arranged, records kept of births, marriages, sufferings and deaths. There were chil­dren to be educated and traveling Friends, if their own resources were insufficient, needed financial help. Friends often desired to petition King or Parliament. Disorderly persons were sometimes to be dealt with in order "that Truth might be cleared" of mis­understanding by the scandalized public. But the very need for organization gave rise to a serious theoretical problem—how can a free fellowship based on divine guidance from within set up any form of church government providing direction from without?

As early as 1652, William Dewsbury urged Friends to set up general meetings, to be attended by Friends in a limited area to meet immediate needs. His instructions were given forth as "the word of the living God to his Church." Other leaders spoke in similar terms and with the same prophetic authority. But care was taken not to produce an authoritarian code. In 1656 at a meeting of Friends in Balby, Yorkshire, a letter was composed "From the Spirit of Truth to the children of light," giving advice rather than formulating rules on twenty points of behavior. This letter concluded with the well-known sentence:

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Dearly beloved Friends, these things we do not lay upon you as a rule or form to walk by; but that all, with a measure of the light, which is pure and holy, may be guided: and so in the light walking and abiding, these things may be fulfilled in the Spirit, not in the letter; for the letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life.'

Additional advices were issued from time to time by various meetings with a similar caution regarding the priority of the Spirit. In 1659 the General Meeting at Skipton for Friends in the North issued a document for guidance in conduct. Here again Friends are urged to stand fast in their liberty,

that no footsteps may be left for those that shall come after, or to walk by example, but that all may be directed and left to the truth, in it to live and walk and by it to be guided, that none may look back at us, nor have an eye behind them, but that all may look forward waiting in the Spirit for the revelation of those glorious things which are to be made manifest to them.2

This letter epitomizes the underlying principle of Quaker church government:

That the power of the God-head may be known in the body, in that perfect freedom which every member bath in Christ Jesus; that none may exercise lordship or dominion over another, nor the person of any be set apart, but as they continue in the power of truth that truth itself in the body may reign, not persons nor forms: and that all such may be honored as stand in the life of the truth wherein is the power not over, but in the body.3

In other words, the meeting is to act as a whole and be gov­erned by Truth, not by persons appointed to rule. If individuals are chosen for some particular service to the meeting, they should be continued in such service only so long as they are guided by the Truth. Thus the basis of Quaker church government was early expressed in a way that eliminated the possibility of indi­vidual authority. Only the authority of the group acting by the dictates of Truth was valid. The supremacy of a majority over a minority was completely dispensed with. There was no voting.

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General meetings drawing Friends together in limited areas at periodic intervals developed in the decade from 1650 to 1660. Some of these occasions were simply meetings for worship, others also included sessions for the transaction of corporate affairs. By .1658 general meetings were held yearly with public Friends in attendance from all over England. The support of Friends travel in the ministry to distant places often claimed attention.

When George Fox was released from his three years' imprison­ment at Lancaster and Scarborough in 1666, he found the Quakers suffering severely because of the Conventicle Act which forbade attendance at any assembly for worship other than those of the Established Church. There were also a number of other serious difficulties. Nearly all the leading Friends were in prison. Fanatics, such, as the hysterical women whose adulation of James ..Naylor had earlier led to public scandal, were bringing the move­ment into disrepute. 

The followers of John Perrot were teaching that the essence of religion required no outward frame of refer­ence. This party held that even fixed times for public worship were man-made devices. To counteract such tendencies toward religious anarchism a group of leading Friends issued a letter asserting the authority of a meeting to exclude from its fellow­ship persons who persisted in rejecting its judgment. This was shortly before George Fox's release.4 This letter, by definitely subordinating individual guidance to the sense of the meeting as a whole, marked an important step in Quaker development.

Bruised and weakened by his experience in jail and scarcely able to mount his horse, Fox at this critical juncture went about England and Ireland for four years bringing order out of con­fusion by setting up Monthly Meetings as executive units of the Society of Friends. His visit to America in 1671-73 was largely for the same purpose. While there had been some Monthly Meetings before this time, they now became standard procedure and have continued to be basic throughout Quaker history.

A Monthly Meeting is made up of all the Friends in a given district. It sometimes includes more than one meeting for worship. The constituent parts of a Monthly Meeting came to be called Preparative Meetings, their function being to prepare for the Monthly Meeting which made the important decisions. Combinations of neighboring Monthly Meetings are organized into Quar­terly Meetings and the Quarterly Meetings in turn are united in a Yearly Meeting. This system developed gradually.

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At first the-Yearly Meeting in London consisted exclusively of Friends en­gaged in the ministry. By 1672, and regularly after 1678, it included representatives sent from all the Quarterly Meetings in England. By 1760, the Yearly Meeting was open to all Friends. The evolution of this system in America followed similar lines, except that, owing to the geographical situation, six Yearly Meet­ings emerged in the colonies.

The first Quaker meetings for business (or church government) were made up of men only, but by 1656 women's meetings began-to eganto appear. In 1671 Fox wrote a circular letter urging that they be set up everywhere. Eventually there were Monthly, Quarterly and Yearly Meetings for women. For some years the business before the women's meetings differed from the business before the men's meetings though there was no sense of inferiority. It consisted of matters which were felt to be of peculiar interest to women, such as care of the poor, the sick and the imprisoned. The important Six Weeks Meeting, begun in 1671, which super­vised the affairs of London Quakers was a joint body of men and women. Today all Quaker business meetings except in two or three conservative areas in America are made up of men and women. The assignment of important executive responsibilities to women was a bold step in the seventeenth century. The train­ing which Quaker women received in these meetings as well as in meetings for worship qualified them to become leaders of their sex.

The system of Monthly, Quarterly and Yearly Meetings as it finally developed in England and America suggests the organic principle of the affiliation of cells or small units in a large organ­ism. The Monthly Meeting is the primary cell in the Society of Friends.. Only there does membership exist. Individual Friends have the same responsibilities in the larger group as in the smaller. There is no delegated authority. As Fox writes in a long epistle on church government, "The least member in the Church bath an office and is serviceable and every member bath need one of another" (Ep. 264, 1669).

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The larger group does not exist to exert authority over its smaller parts, nor do the smaller parts dominate the larger. Each is both means and end. The larger exists to widen the range of acquaintance and judgment and to carry out undertakings too big for the smaller group. The larger group asks its constituent parts to contribute money to support its enterprises; gives creden­tials and financial aid when necessary to ministers and others traveling long distances; supports the larger schools; appoints committees to deal with a variety of issues and concerns beyond the range of the smaller meetings, such as peace, temperance, race relations, publications, the social order, national legislation and the relief of suffering at home and abroad.

A concern, that is, a strong inward sense that some action should be taken to meet a certain situation, may arise in the mind of any individual. It often develops in the silence in a meeting for worship. The member brings it before the Monthly Meeting which may or may not sympathize with it. If circum­stances require a wider concurrence, the Monthly Meeting may forward the matter to the Quarterly Meeting. The Quarterly Meeting may then act upon it or may send it on to the Yearly Meeting. In this way a concern secures the support of a group large enough and wise enough to carry it out. The power of the individual to accomplish what he feels has been laid upon him is many times multiplied if his concern is taken up by all three, the Monthly Meeting, the Quarterly Meeting and, finally, the Yearly Meeting. In some instances an individual may first present his concern to a Quarterly or Yearly Meeting or to a specialized committee. In this case the reverse process may occur, the con­cern being referred to the Monthly Meeting for action.

The Yearly Meeting issues advices for the guidance of Monthly and Quarterly Meetings and of individual members. It also ad­dresses Queries to constituent meetings in order to ascertain their condition and discover if help is iieeded. Advices and Queries are not orders issued by a superior to an inferior. The Monthly Meetings are the real executive units of the Society.

Early in the eighteenth century selections from the minutes of the Yearly Meetings were gathered in book form under captions alphabetically listed. This compilation came to be called the Book of Discipline.

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The manuscript book issued in 1762 by Philadelphia Yearly Meeting is entitled A Collection of Christian and Brotherly Advices Given Forth from Time to Time by the Yearly Meetings of Friends for New Jersey and Pennsylvania. As need arose additions were inserted, each with its appropriate date. This book, abbreviated to contain only active regulations, was printed in 1797. Later the alphabetical system was replaced by a topical arrangement. The Discipline has been reissued and revised from time to time up to the present. It is both a moral guide and a manual of church government. Additions and revi­sions show the evolution of moral consciousness as it became increasingly sensitive to slavery, war, intemperance, racial and class discrimination and other evils.

As an example of this growth of moral sensitivity, we find under the heading "Negroes or Slaves" twenty-four manuscript pages of entries, dated 1688 to 1790, recording each step of the process by which the Society of Friends in America freed itself from holding slaves.* Under "Queries" there are three sets of questions dated 1743, 1755, 1765 respectively. Those dealing with slavery are:

1743. Do Friends observe the former advice of our Yearly Meeting not to encourage the importation of Negroes, nor to buy them after imported?

1755. Are Friends clear of importing or buying Negroes and do they use those well which they are possessed of by inheritance or other­wise, endeavoring to train them up in the principles of the Christian Religion?

1765. The same query as in 1755.


In 1776 the Query was amended as follows:

Are Friends clear of importing, purchasing, disposing of or holding mankind as slaves? And do they use those well who are set free and are necessarily under their care and not in circumstances through nonage or incapacity to minister to their own necessities? And are they careful to educate and encourage them in a religious and virtuous life?

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* 1698 advice against the importation of Negroes; 1730 advice against buying imported Negroes; 1754 advice against buying any Negroes; 1758 appointment of a committee of five to visit all Friends who hold slaves and persuade them to set their slaves at liberty; 1762 substantial success is re­ported and the committee asks to be released. Quarterly and Monthly Meetings are instructed to deal with Friends who still hold slaves; 1776 the Yearly Meeting declares that Quaker slaveholders who "continue to reject the advice of their brethren" should be disowned by their meetings.   105.-

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Here are three steps showing increasing sensitiveness to a clearly defined evil

  1. First, Friends were not to buy imported Negroes; 
  2. next, they were not to buy any, though it was assumed that they might inherit them; 
  3. finally, they were not to hold them in servitude at all. 

The evolution of the Book of Discipline is a testimony to the power of the Quaker method in educating and sensitizing conscience.

In the same year that the Declaration of Independence stated "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," the Quakers made their own declaration which took these great words at their full value. They did not support their own revolution by violence, but nonetheless they carried it through in a thoroughgoing way.

The perennial problem of the relative rights and responsibilities of the individual and the group was never so clearly solved that it did not give rise to difficulties.


  •  The Wilkinson-Story party separated from the main body in England in 1678, principally because it was opposed to any authority exercised by the group over the individual. 
  • The separation in Philadelphia which took Place in 1827 was to a large extent the outcome of differences between the more individualistic, and the more authoritarian trends in the Society of Friends.

Yet in a large measure the Quaker form of church government succeeded in securing a reasonable balance between freedom and order. Without some authority over the individual the move­ment would certainly have disintegrated as did the various groups of religious anarchists. Without considerable liberty the Society of Friends would have crystallized into a formal system. The adjustment depended upon group authority over the individual tempered by individual initiative in affecting the judgment of the group.

Among Friends the meeting for the transaction of church business is as distinctly a religious exercise as is the meeting for Worship, but it has a different objective.

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The meeting for worship is focused upon the divine-human relationship and the meeting for business is mainly concerned with interhuman co-operation, the two being interdependent. From another point of view, the meeting for worship concerns being while the meeting for busi­ness concerns doingWhat is implicit in worship becomes explicit in action. 

The meeting for business should, therefore, be preceded by a period of worship in which the hard shell of egocentricity is dissolved and the group united into a living whole. It is also well to conclude the business meeting with a period of silent devotion. 

George Fox writes to Friends:

Friends, keep your meetings in the power of God, and in his wisdom (by which all things were made) and in the love of God, that by that ye may order all to his glory. And when Friends have finished their business, sit down and continue awhile quietly and wait upon the Lord to feel him. And go not beyond the Power, but keep in the Power by which God Almighty may be felt among you. [Ep. 162, 1658]

Since there is but one Light and one Truth, if the Light of Truth be faithfully followed, unity will result. "The Light itself," says Thomas Story, "is not divided, but one and the same entire, undivided Being continually."5 The nearer the members of a group come to this one Light, the nearer they will be to one another, just as the spokes of a wheel approach one another as they near the center. The spirit of worship is essential to that type of business meeting in which the group endeavors to act as a unit. True worship overcomes excessive individuality by pro­ducing a superindividual consciousness. If serious differences of opinion appear, it may come about that by recourse to a period of silence a basis for unity can be discovered. If a high degree of unity is not reached, action is postponed, provided an im­mediate decision is not necessary. For such a meeting the only essential official is a clerk whose business it is to ascertain and record or be responsible for recording the sense of the meeting.

The business before the meeting, presented by the clerk, a committee or an individual, is "spoken to" by those who have opinions or judgment regarding it. When the consideration reaches a stage which indicates that a reasonable degree of unity has been attained, the clerk announces what he believes to be the sense of the meeting. 107

If the meeting agrees with his wording as given or revised, this becomes the judgment of the meeting and is so preserved in the minutes. The degree of unity necessary for a decision depends on the importance of the question and the character and depth of feeling of those who oppose the general trend of opinion.

 On many items of routine business little or no expression is necessary. Even silence may give consent. 

But on important matters care is taken to secure the vocal participation of all who feel able and willing to express themselves. Some problems have been postponed for more than a century awaiting unity. 

An example was the toleration of slavery within the Society of Friends. 

Had a vote been taken as early as 1700 slavery would probably have been voted out, but a substantial minority would not have concurred. The subject was brought up again and again, progress was made slowly until in 1776 the Society was united in refusing membership to persons who held slaves.

An opposing minority, however small, is not disregarded, espe­cially if it contains members whose judgment is highly respected. The weight of a member in determining the decision of the meeting depends on the confidence which the meeting has in the validity of his judgment. On certain subjects some Friends are more reliable than others. On a financial problem the opinion of a single financier might determine the sense of the meeting, although his opinion might carry less weight on some other subjects. 

If an individual lays a concern before the meeting, much depends on the degree to which the concern has gripped him. If he feels it deeply and perhaps brings it up again and again in spite of opposition, the meeting may finally acquiesce even though some hesitation is still felt by some.

If a serious difference of opinion exists on a subject which cannot be postponed, decision may be left to a small committee. Not infrequently the minority withdraw their opposition in order that the meeting may come to a decision. It is, however, sur­prising how often real unity is reached, even though the dis­cussion in its initial stages shows a wide variety of opinions, or a pronounced cleavage arising from strongly held convictions. As the consideration proceeds, unity gradually emerges and is finally reached.

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The decision may be along lines not even thought of at the beginning. This procedure takes more time and patience than the voting method, but the results are generally more satisfactory to all concerned.

The clerk is theoretically a recording officer, but in practice he must frequently assume the duties of a presiding officer. He must be sensitive to all trends of opinion, including those not well expressed. When two or more persons rise at once, he must recognize one as having the floor. He must determine the appro­priate amount of time to be devoted to each item on the agenda in view of the total business before the meeting. He must decide on how much expression he can safely base his minute. He is responsible for keeping one subject at a time before the meeting. He may request talkative members to limit their remarks and silent members to express themselves. All this appears to lay a heavy burden upon the clerk, but in any contingency he may derive help from any member. Theoretically, it is the meeting as a whole, rather than the clerk, that exercises authority, but the clerk may occasionally find himself in a position in which some exercise of authority is unavoidable.

If this Quaker method of arriving at unity does not succeed, the difficulty is generally due to some members who have not achieved the right attitude of mind and heart. Dogmatic persons who speak with an air of finality, or assume the tone of a debater determined to win, may be a serious hiudrance. Eloquence which appeals to emotion is out of place. Those who come to the meet­ing not so much to discover Truth as to win acceptance of their opinions may find that their views carry little weight. Opinions should always be expressed humbly and tentatively in the realiza­tion that no one person sees the whole truth and that the whole meeting can see more of Truth than can any part of it. When B speaks following A, he takes into consideration A's opinion. C follows with a statement which would probably have been differ­ent had A and B not spoken. Every speaker credits every other sincere speaker with at least some insight. Finally, a statement is made which receives the approval of all. A number of persons say "I approve," "I agree" or some equivalent. 109.

This method is similar to some other consensus methods; for instance, those suggested by M. P. Follett in The New State or Frank Walser in The Art of Conference. It differs radically in being religious. 


George Fox writes, "Friends are not to meet like a company of people about town or parish business, neither in their men's or women's meetings, but to wait upon the Lord" (Ep. 313, 1674). Quakers have used this method with a large degree of success for three centuries because it has met the religious test, being based on the Light Within producing unity. As the Light is God in His capacity as Creator, Unity in Him creates Unity in the group. When the method has not succeeded, as in the divisions during the nineteenth century, spiritual life was low and Friends too impatient to wait for unity to develop.

At its best, the Quaker method does not result in a compromise. A compromise is not likely to satisfy anyone completely. The objective of the Quaker method is to discover Truth which will satisfy everyone more fully than did any position previously held. 

Each and all can then say, "That is what I really wanted, but I did not realize it." To discover what we really want as compared to what at first we think we want, we must go below the surface of self-centered desires to the deeper level where the real Self resides. The deepest Self of all is that Self which we share with all others. This is the one Vine of which we all are branches, the Life of God pn which our own individual lives are based. To will what God wills is, therefore, to will what we ourselves really want.

The voting method is a mechanical process whereby the larger force is pitted against the smaller one over which it prevails, possibly without even an attempt to adjust to it. The Quaker method produces synthesis in which each part makes some ad­justment to the whole. In general, voting creates nothing new, one party is simply more numerous than the other. The organic method may actually produce by a process of cross-fertilization something which was not there at the beginning. As in all life, the whole is more than the sum of its parts. A new creation emerges through the life or soul of the whole which was not completely present in any of the parts. As the meeting becomes a Unit, it learns to think as a unit. This is an achievement. Every partial, fragmentary view contributes to the total view.

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The voting method is usually quicker. Organic growth is a slow process, but that which has life is adaptable, while mechanisms tend to be rigid. In the voting method when the vote is taken, each individual has one or a fixed number of votes, irrespective of his interest or knowledge, while in the Quaker method, each individual possesses or should possess weight proportional to his interest and his knowledge of the particular subject before the meeting.

It might appear that, because the Quaker meeting must wait for unity, this method would tend toward conservatism. This is sometimes the case, but, in general, Quaker pioneering in social reforms shows that conservatism has not generally prevailed. The first response of many people to a new proposition is nega­tive; hence the voting method which is the quickest may itself produce a negative response. Minorities tend to be more radical than majorities. If decision is postponed in the effort to secure unity, time is given for an advanced minority to convince the majority. In the end a more novel decision may result.

A minor consideration is that of size. The Quaker method works better in small than in large groups. This is true both of the meeting for worship and of the meeting for business. It is easier to achieve unity in an intimate group the members of which are well acquainted with one another than in a large group where there is bound to be more diversity. But experience shows that even in large groups, especially if they contain some able, "well seasoned Friends," this method can be employed suc­cessfully. Biologists believe that evolution can take place best in groups of a moderate size. If the group is too small, there are not enough variations to insure progress. If the group is too large, variations are swamped by the impact of the mass.

Therefore, if a Monthly Meeting becomes overgrown, it should divide. Such cell-division is the organic method of growth which has been characteristic in the Society of Friends from the begin­ning. Division may also be occasioned by the scattering due to economic reasons. Members, especially young people, may move to localities where there is no Friends meeting. Perhaps they will start meetings in their homes. Such a meeting may begin in a very small way, but as like-minded persons find out about it and isolated Friends ralize that such a project has been undertaken, the meeting will probably grow.

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This simple method of growth gives Friends a strategic advantage. Religious sects which require professional pastors and special apparatus cannot afford to begin so informally. But Friends can start a meeting anywhere and under the simplest conditions with as few as two members. In colonial days, Friends spread rapidly in many pioneer commu­nities because a Friends meeting could so readily be held in a home.

The Quaker method is likely to be successful in proportion as the members are acquainted with one another; better still if real affection exists among them. When differences and factions arose in the Corinthian Church its members wrote to ask Paul's advice. After making several concrete suggestions, he goes on to say in the famous 13th Chapter of his letter that love is really the only solution. In a similar situation John speaks in his first letter of love as essential. "We know that we have passed out of death into life because we love the brethren" (I John 3:14).

For "love" Paul and John use the Greek word agape instead of the more usual Greek word eros. Agape means unselfish love which seeks to be possessed rather than to possess. Paul said, "agape does not insist on its own way" (I Cor. 13:5). This is the highest binding force within a religious group. It signifies the Spirit which draws men together and to God without at the same time resulting in the domination of one will by another. It is love that brings into harmony the apparently contradictory concepts of unity and freedom.

Agape is closely akin to friendship, a uniting force which at the same time respects individuality and freedom. In the Gospel of John Christ identifies love of this type with friendship when he says, "Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13). Since the word "love" has so many different meanings, it was more appropriate that the Quakers should call themselves a Society of Friends than, as one contemporary group did, a Family of Love. It may be that the appellation "Friends," which has become so familiar that its origin is seldom inquired into, came from the saying of Jesus, "No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends" (John 15:13).

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In the early minutes of the meetings in Pennsylvania the Quakers call themselves "The Friends of God."

The Society of Friends in choosing their name gave expression to the feeling that their religion was based on friendship in distinction from a code of duty appropriate to servants whose obligation is to yield obedience

Here the early Friends made a religious emphasis different from the Protestants of their time. The Puritans held that man's hope of salvation depended on obedience to commands set down for all time in the sacred book. These commands were thought of as instructions which a servant receives "who knows not what his lord does" and must needs obey, whether he understands or not. But if God's will is revealed not so much by a law from without as by the Light of Truth which produces action inspired from within, the relation is one of friendship and freedom based on understanding. There is no external domination. Hence arises the difference between the Puritan concept of duty with its inner tension and compulsion and the Quaker concept of conscience with its sense of freedom and peace. A servant may serve because of a sense of duty, but a friend helps his friend for a reason other than duty... Those who render God service from a sense of duty may hear the divine voice saying, "So you also, when you have done all that is com­manded you, say 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty" (Luke 17:10).

In addition to the religion of friendship and the religion of obedience, there is another type of religion which extols the kind of love which unifies through possession. Such love is described by many of the great Christian mystics. It is the Spiritual Mar­riage, the very top of the mystical ladder, the allegorical inter­pretation of the Song of Songs. 

In emotional content it is akin to the marriage of husband and wife. Unity with God results in so complete a submergence of the individual that individuality is lost, just as a drop of water falls into the ocean and is lost. In emphasizing this experience, many devotional writings of the saints strike a note foreign alike to Quaker and Protestant. Unity through obedience, unity through emotion and unity through friendship, all are deep aspects of human experience. The Quaker emphasis allows greater significance to individuality and freedom. 113.

 

The Society of Friends endeavors to maintain an organization which does not destroy freedom. Freedom appears in an act of concurrence performed not from any sense of inner or outer compulsion but in following Truth for the love of it. The Light Within being both Truth and Love, draws people together from within. It exerts no outside pressure. It respects the unique personality of each individual. The Ranters, Antinomians and others with anarchistic leanings, some of whom early left the Society of Friends because they felt that any form of organization would limit their freedom to follow the Light of Truth wherever it might lead, did not realize that the Light was Love as well as Truth. To love the truth is to follow that which draws human­ity together into a unity of friendship or nonpossessive love, the highest condition in the universe, the very Presence of God Him­self. William Penn wrote in his Maxims, "Nor can spirits ever be divided that love and live in the same Divine Principle, the Root and Record of their Friendship."

This problem of freedom within an organized group was faced by the early Christians. After Paul had founded the Galatian Church, certain persons came there who told the Galatian Christians that in order to be Christians they must carry out in full the law of Moses. When Paul heard of this he wrote with more fervor than in any of his other letters that have come down to us, showing that Christianity is not the old law, neither is it a new law. It is freedom from law. At first this may appear to be pure anarchy. But Paul was not speaking of unlimited liberty for self-indulgence (Gal. 5:13). With the external restraint of law, he contrasts internal guidance based on the love of God. This is pure freedom because, through union with God, man wills what God wills and God is free. Man, therefore, may share in God's freedom. Paul speaks in terms of the Christ Within. "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me" (Gal. 2:20). This is true also of the Galatian converts, "As many of you as Were baptized into Christ have put on Christ" (Gal 3:27). And so he exclaims with joy and wonder, "Christ has set us free; stand fast, therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery."

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The law is for children and slaves but "because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts" (Gal 4:6).

This is not an easy doctrine. It is not surprising that the Christian Church has been slow to understand Paul or has not striven to understand him. The Church was eventually presided over by an ecclesiastical hierarchy which left little opportunity for liberty of the Spirit. Paul admits the need of regulations to govern the immature who have not yet won their freedom in Christ (Gal. 4:1-3). But the Church eventually allowed little freedom except at the top. Early Protestantism with its doctrine of depravity required an external rule and the power of external grace in place of an internal governing Spirit. The Scripture furnished a code interpreted by creeds that was as binding as the law of Moses. The Quakers stand alone in having attempted a form of church government which, however it may have de­veloped in practice, allowed in theory for the liberty of those who are led by the Spirit. Like Paul they recognized the need of precepts for the spiritually immature such as children in school, but even the Quaker schools were so devised that com­pulsion was minimized.

The attainment of unity within the meeting is not the same as the attainment of uniformity. Unity is spiritual, uniformity mechanical. Friends have never required of their members assent to a religious or social creed, though not infrequently a body of Friends has issued a statement expressing their religious or social views at a particular time. There is, however, always the reserva­tion that the Spirit of Truth may lead to further insight. Differ­ences within the group on the particular application of general principles are tolerated, provided they are being actively ex­plored in a spirit of friendship and in a continued search for truth. Such differences are often of great value in helping new aspects of truth to emerge.

The discovery of truth through differences of opinion is well illustrated in the history of science. "A clash of doctrines is not a disaster—it is an opportunity," says Whitehead." As an illustration he shows how disagreement in the results of experi­ments on the atomic weight of some elements led to the dis­covery that the same element may assume two or more distinct forms or isotopes. 115.

 Of two different opinions we can say as Christ said in the parable, 

  • "Let both grow together until the harvest." 
  • The harvest is the fuller discovery of truth which in­cludes both. 

Thus, as Whitehead shows, Galileo said that the earth moves and the sun is fixed. The Inquisition maintained that the earth is fixed and the sun moves. The modern theory of relativity includes both .of these earlier theories. For this harvest it is sometimes necessary to wait a long time.

But differences cease to have value when fundamental princi­ples are ignored. 

In science a difference between one theory which is based on the scientific method and another theory based on a different method such as magic or astrology would not be productive of new scientific truth. 

In similar fashion a difference between two points of view, one arrived at by free search and another arrived at by blind agreement with an authoritarian pronouncement, would not be productive of new truth.

 To be creative the authoritative edict must be subjected to a discriminating inquiry which might alter it. If viewed as fixed it is dead and unproductive.

In Quakerism as in science the new can only arise out of the old. 

In science a creativity which did not take past discoveries into consideration would generally be unproductive of new truth. 

Similarly, the Quaker method will not progress without acknowl­edgment of all the great truths which have been discovered in the past. 

The meeting should hesitate to accept any suggestion which runs counter to the accumulated wisdom of the saints and prophets who have gone before.

 When it seeks to arrive at a decision which is an expression of truth, it must consider as part of itself the invisible company of all those who discovered truth. Their insight must be given due weight in arriving at a decision. 

In religion as in science we do not start from nothing. 

The doctrine of the Light Within does not mean that an indi­vidual must depend only on his own measure of Light. 

As in science we do not expect everyone to be a Newton or a Darwin, so in religion we do not expect everyone to be a Paul or a Fox. 

The religious genius, like the scientific genius, must be allowed to give to those who are not geniuses the full measure of guidance.

It must be borne in mind that a synthesis of opinion achieved within a group is not good simply because it is a synthesis.

116.

Unity may occur on a high level or a low level. 

A group of bandits may achieve consensus in carrying out their schemes. A nation may be at one in deciding to wage aggressive war. A mob may achieve a united opinion at a lower level than the code of conduct of the individuals who compose it. 

The clue to this problem is the concept of the Light as that which leads up to God. If the proper method is followed, the Light which unifies the group will be found to be an elevating Principle

As Truth is sought through prayer, worship and an earnest effort to purge all that is self-centered and concerned with possessive desires, the group will rise through deliberation to a higher level than that on which it started. 

This occurs when there is real inter­dependence between the meeting for worship and the meeting for business. "Agreeing Upward" is a chapter heading in the works of the Chinese philosopher, Motze. It is toward this agree­ing upward that a meeting should aspire. 묵자 상동

The organic method of arriving at decisions by consensus ap­pears at the primitive preindividual level as well as at the ad­vanced postindividual level. In the first case self-centeredness has not yet developed; in the second case it has been overcome. Of the Solomon Islanders, W. H. R. Rivers writes that "in the councils of such peoples there is no voting or other means of taking the opinion of the body."7 Quakers traveling in America in colonial times sometimes visited the Indian councils and re­marked that their method of coming to decisions was like that of a Quaker business meeting. John Richardson while visiting William Penn observed that the Indians "did not speak two at a time nor interfere in the least with one another." He says, "My spirit was very easy with them," and continues, "I did not feel that power of darkness to oppress me as I had done in many places among the people called Christians."8 It was also observed that in these coun­cils the women participated as well as the men. Thomas Chalkley writes that in traveling beyond the Susquehanna in 1706 he asked permission of the Indians to hold a religious meeting, upon which they called a council in which they were very grave and spoke one after another without any heat or jarring and some of the most esteemed of their women do sometimes speak in their councils.

117.

Our interpreter told me that they had not done anything for many years without the counsel of an ancient, grave woman, who, I observed, spoke much in their council.9

Of a similar council Catherine Phillips notes:

Several of their women sat in this conference who for fixed solidity appeared to me like Roman matrons.'°

Such councils where sex equality is maintained and voting unknown indicate that the organic method is in accord with human nature as it evolved out of primitive, matriarchal con­ditions. The more mechanical method of voting becomes natural in a later stage of development when society has become more individualistic. But there is a still further stage when self-con­scious individualization is surpassed but not eliminated, in a divine-human community so inspired by the one Spirit that it can act as a unit. The third stage resembles the first but it is higher because those who are in it have passed through the intermediary condition and become individuals. In the first stage there is unity; in the second, individuality; in the third, the synthesis of unity and individuality which makes possible participation in group life with freedom.

What is a Quaker Ministry? (What Isn’t?) – Jon Watts

What is a Quaker Ministry? (What Isn’t?) – Jon Watts




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What is a Quaker Ministry? (What Isn’t?)


For the past 5 years, I have been writing songs about Quakers, blogging about Quakerism, making videos about Quakers, vlogging about Quakerism, and traveling amongst Friends, sharing my music and my thoughts.

Now I have arrived at a turning point. The original call that I felt to commit to music was for five years. I knew that I would then stand back and re-evaluate, ask the hard questions, and change course if I felt called to.



I have decided to do this re-evaluation publicly, posting a “state of the art” report on my website and asking the query: “How can Jon Watts continue to be of service, considering his natural gifts and passions?”

…and, considering the current state of the art, “How can he be financially supported in this work?”

I have received more messages than I could have imagined, most of them encouraging me to continue, helping me to brainstorm financing, and affirming the value of my work.

I have also received a few messages of discouragement in my continuing along this path. These concerns seem to focus on my use of the word ministry.

And while I continue to be in private dialogue with these particular Friends about my continued use of this word, I thought that it was also worth exploring publicly.
What is “Ministry”?


Quakers believe that everyone has access to that of God within them. This is why we worship in silent waiting on 1st day mornings, and why we do not have hierarchical structures managing our corporate decisions. Our goal is to allow God to lead our congregation, and to decide our business. We can each be a channel for the voice of the Spirit, if we listen and humble ourselves.



Thus our congregation is traditionally not led by a single minister on 1st day mornings, but instead we wait until God selects the minister. Who will stand up this Sunday and be filled with the Spirit’s message? We don’t pretend to know.

Many of us, as Quakers, have the experience at one time or other of being selected to be the vessel for the Spirit in a worship setting. We often find that we have human resistance, human obstacles to overcome in order to faithfully deliver the message that has been given us.

It is a labor of love, for when we are faithful to the message we have been given, we are clothed in righteousness. Friends can be stirred, uncomfortable, hurt, liberated, and can have any number of other responses to our ministry, but when we know that the message has truly come from the Spirit, we can trust that God has a plan for healing transformation, and we can know that it might not look like we would expect it to.

This is a seriously valuable tool that Quakers have cultivated for inward transformation and for cultural transformation. Deep listening. Getting low. Opening one’s heart and ears to messages of Truth from unexpected sources.

 Trusting.

What is “Entertainment”?

I have been recording and releasing my own music since I was a Senior in high school (that was 2001 for those of you keeping score). After self-releasing 4 albums of my own music and organizing a handful of shows featuring my songwriting, I stood back and looked at myself as an artist.

Who was I writing songs for?
Who was benefiting from my efforts?
Who was my biggest fan?

The answers, as I examined each of these questions, were all “me”.

It was seriously uncomfortable to examine myself in this way, but also somewhat liberating: I found that I was building myself up with, hiding behind, and providing myself validation with… my music. My pursuing music was fundamentally self serving.

And I was not unique. We live in a culture of celebrity. In place of our actual deity, we raise up deities out of our midst and worship them on our magazine covers. We fundamentally believe that they are better, more deserving, worth our studying them.

Those of us with a void in our chest where self-love is supposed to be can tend to see this as an opportunity. If I could just raise myself up to be deified, then I could feel loved, valuable, OK.

In the age of the internet, it is getting easier and easier to see who falls into this category. Who is desperately calling for our attention? Who is trying to raise themselves up to a higher status by making themselves into a celebrity? We are correct to be dubious of anyone who seems to be acting from this motivation.

And it doesn’t take an enlightened person to realize that the “celebrity-solution” is a myth. Just read an interview with someone who has attained celebrity. Look behind the veil of their public presentation to the true state of their lives, their relationships.

What we learn is that the self-love void cannot be filled by anything external. It is un-salvable, infinitely able to consume external validation and transform it into self-doubt. The self-doubter might be able to fill their void briefly by attaining celebrity, but it will come back. And it will be hungrier.

I know I labeled this section “what is entertainment” and then talked about the state of entertainers, but this truly is the price of our sitting back and passively expecting to be entertained: self-obsessed ego monsters, living on a pedestal and consuming our attention to feed their insatiable egos. A mad cycle.

We call it “self-serving”, but really this kind of behavior serves no one. Only destruction. The unraveling.

Drawing a Line

But what does this all mean for me? Does rejecting our culture of celebrify-ing artists mean that I should reject an artistic path altogether?



Any endeavor that does not serve a community is an empty endeavor. But could my music be a service?

(Could celebrity, for that matter? This is maybe another blog post)

In 2006 I turned to the model of Quaker ministry to inform my making music. Getting low. Being humble. Only writing songs that felt like a message from the Spirit. Knowing that the message is not my own. Attempting to be a vessel. Releasing my agenda, knowing that my own perspective is severely limited. Letting go and letting God.

(It is worth mentioning that these are very difficult practices, especially with the culture all around pressuring us to frame everything with the self at the center. I don’t claim to be perfect or even consistently successful in my experimenting with holding these practices as a musician.)

I picked up my music again after I was made low in this way. The first album I recorded was solely meant to be of service: exploring stories of Early Quakers and putting them to song. Inviting other Quakers to come into the studio and play on the album. Listening to the Spirit, being held accountable by a support committee.

And indeed, it was anything but an empty endeavor. It was powerful. We were all broken apart, remade. Including myself as artist. Especially myself as artist. Our faith was deepened.

But when I went out into the world to share this Spirit-given ministry with the wider world of Friends, I immediately ran into a wall of feedback: I was told, “Open your eyes more, be more engaging and less prayerful”. In other words, “Entertain us!”

Oh! What paradox!

“Giving Ministry” VS “Having a Ministry”

Quakers have long held a common practice of recognizing Friends amongst us with a clear call to ministry. Often these would be the Friends in our Meetings who would speak often, or who would speak passionately, or most faithfully.

Recognizing a ministry means coming together as a community to acknowledge one Friend’s particular gifts, recognizing their potential service to the congregation (possibly to the wider body), coming together to help cultivate their faithfulness in using their gifts, to support them and to hold them accountable to the Spirit.




Over the years, that practice of recognizing ministers amongst us solidified into a list of criteria for Friends Ministers.
A Friends minister travels with an elder.
A Friends minister is rooted in a Monthly Meeting.
A Friends minister travels under a temporary “concern”.
A Friends minister travels with a traveling minute from their home Meeting.

Etcetera

The only way that I know all of this, though, is because I’ve studied history.

Most modern liberal Quaker Meetings have no practice of recognizing ministers. No practice of supporting ministers, cultivating faithfulness in their use of their gifts, no practice of publicly acknowledging the gift of ministry, no practice of writing or receiving traveling minutes.

“The Burden of Vision”

Those modern Friends who have felt a call to ministry therefore have a difficult choice in front of them:
Go out into the world on their own, lacking the structures of support and accountability.

-or-

Wrestle with their home Meeting, putting off their call to ministry until such time as their congregation comes together to re-claim the tools of recognizing ministers. This is a process that can happen over the course of years or not at all.



To ask a Friend with a call to ministry to first teach their home Meeting how to recognize ministers… this is a difficult thing to ask of a budding minister. I have seen more than a few calls to ministry ignored or burned up in this process of wrestling with the lack of tools in home communities.

I want to take a moment to honor those Friends who have faithfully and patiently waited or laid down a call to ministry as their Meeting discussed (or didn’t discuss!) their relationship with supporting ministers.
All or Nothing?

I have not chosen the path that I just described.

In the past five years I have gone in and out of periods of having support committees. I have no traveling minute, just a smattering of supportive words from different Meetings and institutions that I have played for. I travel with an elder when I can, which ends up being about half the time. I maintain my own finances, booking, and website, and I have moved every so often, meaning that my local Meeting is often not very familiar with me or my work.

I would be the first to say that this is clearly not the ideal circumstance for a Friends minister.

But where does the responsibility lie?
Should I drastically change my trajectory, considering that no local Friends organization is holding me accountable and supporting my ministry?

(ie stop blogging, writing and performing about Quakers? What are the wider implications of this conclusion? Any blogger who writes about Quakerism should be a formally recognized minister? Anyone who posts on Facebook? Any Friend who writes a song and uploads it to youtube? Where do we draw this line?)
Should I continue exactly as I have been, blogging, vlogging, writing music, performing, only stop calling it a ministry?

(Is this just a matter of semantics? In trying to keep our understanding of ministry pure are we deaf to the new ways that ministry is rising amongst us? Is it responsible of me to not at least attempt some accountability to Friends considering my level of visibility?)
Or should we recognize that my circumstances are thematic for a new age and transition our institutions accordingly into practices that are more faithful considering the realities of the modern age?
All of the above?
Something entirely different?

Thank you for your faithful consideration of this issue, Friends. I would love to hear your thoughts.Posted onOctober 18, 2012CategoriesBlogTagsQuakers

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8 thoughts on “What is a Quaker Ministry? (What Isn’t?)”

Julian Brelsfordsays:
October 18, 2012 at 9:33 pm


Jon –In response to your questions, let me ask you to consider a couple things. Take what you like. Get rid of the rest.  
  1. Consider making the west philly Quaker community your home community. You’ve moved a few times, yes, but having a home community is pretty nice. Why not us? 
  2. Two, consider making music for money. You know those highly profitable musicians? The ones who make plenty of money? Maybe they’re ministers. Maybe they’re not, who knows? Maybe it’s completely possible for your to charge money for your music, and have it be ministry. 
  3. Lastly, think about non-arts jobs as ministry. You know, serving coffee, doing whatever it is that people who work in an office do, or the kind of job people like you and me know how to get. If you did that stuff, could you make it ministry? How bout the people who are doing it right now? 
What makes it ministry or not-ministry?
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Julian Brelsfordsays:
October 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm


PS — i didn’t mean to suggest that you should do something other than use donations of money / food / place to sleep at night as one of the primary sources of resources to keep on keepin’ on. Consider that as well.
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Chuck Fagersays:
October 19, 2012 at 1:13 am


Jon,

Some feedback:

First, I think your understanding of the “solidified criteria” for “recognizing” ministry among Friends has been subjected to a narrow, obsolete, and often dysfunctional perspective.

You write: “Quakers have long held a common practice of recognizing Friends amongst us with a clear call to ministry.”

Actually, this “practice” is by no means as “common” as this statement suggests, especially over the past century. The FGC branch specifically rejected it by the mid-1920s. And in the pastoral branches “ministry” has been equated with ordination in the larger Protestant sense, which is not the same thing at all.

In recent decades, some Friends, much influenced by romanticized remnants of a Wilburite Orthodox perspective, have worked to resurrect this “common practice” model. But this project has had more rhetorical success than actual practical impact. It works for a few people, in limited settings, but not many, and not widely. And personally I don’t think it will get much further in our actual community life. I regard it as about the same as saying we should all return to one version of plain dress, or take up riding in buggies like the Amish. Ain’t gonna happen, for better or for worse. The most its continued advocacy can do is sow controversy and potential division among a group which already has enough challenges.

You write: “Most modern liberal Quaker Meetings have no practice of recognizing ministers. No practice of supporting ministers, cultivating faithfulness in their use of their gifts, no practice of publicly acknowledging the gift of ministry, no practice of writing or receiving traveling minutes.”

That’s right; and there are good reasons for this. For one, today’s meetings are not built the way the Orthodox-Wilburite (or O-W) groups were — and not even the surviving Conservative groups are now built that way either, really. Modern liberal meetings exist within a social-cultural setting worlds apart from that of the small O-W subculture, one that is evolving further away from it.

For another, I contend that the branches that became FGC had good and sufficient reason for rejecting this model. True, they have not done well at building a replacement; but resurrecting the onetime “common practice” is not in my view the remedy, and your experience corroborates that observation.

You write: “The only way that I know all of this, though, is because I’ve studied history.”

I respectfully suggest that the major histories of Quakerism present a very limited and often quite skewed view in regard to this “common practice.” I have published essays explaining why, to which I can send you links if you’re interested.

You write: “To ask a Friend with a call to ministry to first teach their home Meeting how to recognize ministers… this is a difficult thing to ask of a budding minister. I have seen more than a few calls to ministry ignored or burned up in this process of wrestling with the lack of tools in home communities.
I want to take a moment to honor those Friends who have faithfully and patiently waited or laid down a call to ministry as their Meeting discussed (or didn’t discuss!) their relationship with supporting ministers.”

Here’s something to consider: the experience you describe is more true to much Quaker history than the romantic O-W notion. In fact, in the heyday of the “solidified criteria” and “common practice,” these were as often used to squash and stifle ministry — especially innovative or disturbing ministry — as to encourage it.

An important example: Lucretia Mott, who traveled widely as a minister, preaching not only against slavery and for women’s rights, but also for reform within the Quakerism of her time. She was subjected to repeated attempts to silence and even disown her; I have documented half a dozen of these. She was shrewd enough to fend these off, but paid a steep price in personal distress (mainly concealed from the outside world). Her persecutors were representatives of a hidebound Quaker establishment who were determined to shut out the kinds of “ministry” she embodied (and for which most Friends today honor her memory), and were skilled in applying the “common practice” as a tool of repression.

Mott’s experiences of this repressive side led her to be among the first to call openly for the dismantling of this “common practice” and its authoritarian superstructure. Many other such examples could be adduced. I’ve written further about this also. Mott’s views ultimately prevailed among liberal Friends, and I believe the benefits thereof far outweigh the costs.

You write; “In the past five years I have gone in and out of periods of having support committees. I have no traveling minute, just a smattering of supportive words from different Meetings and institutions that I have played for. I travel with an elder when I can, which ends up being about half the time. I maintain my own finances, booking, and website, and I have moved every so often, meaning that my local Meeting is often not very familiar with me or my work.
I would be the first to say that this is clearly not the ideal circumstance for a Friends minister.”

I’m not so sure. It sounds like your semi-independent and often changing circumstances are by no means unusual, especially in artistic pursuits. Maybe it’s about as ideal as you can expect. After all, are you mindful that Friends for two thirds of their history formally condemned such artistic pursuits as yours? Are you grateful the threat of disownment for making music has now been removed?

Yes, there’s more to do: it is clear the liberal RSOF has not yet figured out how to formally incorporate such arts into its community life. (The Fellowship of Quakers In The Arts documented this evolution in an aptly-named booklet, “Beyond Uneasy Tolerance.” A sample of it is here: http://fqa.quaker.org/uneasyquo.html )

But could this be as much an opportunity as a problem? (I think so.)

You write: “Most modern liberal Quaker Meetings have no practice of recognizing ministers. No practice of supporting ministers, cultivating faithfulness in their use of their gifts, no practice of publicly acknowledging the gift of ministry, no practice of writing or receiving traveling minutes.”

You are right about this situation. But again, it seems to me as much liberating as bewildering. It’s an opportunity, even an imperative, to think “outside the box” of the dysfunctional O-W model. And I wonder why you are so sure that your task is to re-educate the liberal meetings which don’t want to revive the O-W model that they should do so. I thought your “ministry” was to make music with and among Friends; that’s not the same thing.

As for your need for support, it depends on what “support” amounts to. If you mean solidarity with other Friends who have leadings in line with yours, in fellowship with whom you can find stimulation, comfort, and discernment, why not seek out or create such structures outside monthly meetings?

Especially if you are still moving frequently, the “monthly-meeting-as-the-center-of-everything-Quaker” notion is simply not able to provide such continuity of fellowship and discernment. Indeed, it may never do that for many of us. (That’s a major reason why the Fellowship of Quakers in the Arts was created in the early 1990s, as an alternative support structure.)

But if by “support” you mean that a monthly meeting disburses funds from its treasury to pay the expenses associated with your pursuit of your artistic endeavors, this too seems to me an obsolete idea, for several reasons.

One, the practice was never very widespread; most traveling ministers paid most or all of their own expenses, except for hospitality offered by some Friends along their journey.

And two, when in modern times the idea has been surfaced as a way of enabling a leading to become a kind of livelihood, it has run smack into widespread opposition to the practice of hireling ministry that is characteristic of most liberal and Conservative meetings.

This opposition is not just prejudice. It is deeply rooted in the history that led to the dismantling of the “common practice” of recording ministers, even if most modern liberal Friends are ignorant of the history they affirm. And this disinclination to such support is not going away any time soon.

In the past decade, for instance, I saw one such a struggle drag on for several years in Baltimore YM, over a proposal to “embrace and release” a Friend who had a leading to work among Native Americans. In the end, the project petered out, and has not been renewed. There was simply not a sense of the meeting to do such a thing, especially as it would be a precedent for additional proposals.

And finally, at the “bottom line,” few liberal Meetings today have the budget to undertake such financial support. This lack of resources was already true for most liberal Meetings even before the economy crashed. Now, in the ongoing depression, it is doubly, triply true: the money isn’t there.

Look around, if you doubt: in the formerly wealthy Philadelphia Yearly Meeting, the number of hireling staff is in very steep decline, due to huge financial reverses. Then go upstairs at Friends Center: AFSC is but a shadow of itself a decade ago. Down Arch Street, FGC has cut staff slots too. Guilford College laid off sixteen staff and faculty this fall. In New Hampshire, the Meeting School shut down completely. Can you not read the signs of the times?

So what, in light of this, do I suggest that you do? In a previous message, I pointed to some other examples of how Friends pursued creative leadings in challenging outward environments. I won’t repeat them here, but only underline that as these other Friends made the best of their circumstances, and ask: could it now be part of discernment for you to find your own way to your own “best,” which may not fit your “ideal”?

For instance, would you be better served by working to create or join an artistic Friends support network, one that could relate to monthly meetings but is not limited to them? (After all, you speak of receiving many encouraging messages; could these “messengers” become the base of your ongoing “support group”?)

Next, can you figure out how to be both artistically productive and financially responsible for yourself in an environment where Monthly Meetings and other Quaker groups have neither the wherewithal nor the inclination to take on that task?

You conclude your reflection with this thought:

“Or should we recognize that my circumstances are thematic for a new age and transition our institutions accordingly into practices that are more faithful considering the realities of the modern age?”

Frankly, this sounds like a much more promising line of inquiry and reflection. I commend it to your further attention.
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Kitt Reidysays:
October 19, 2012 at 1:38 am


These are really good questions, Jon. I have similar questions for myself.

And I feel that these questions deserve more space and care than this tiny little box can hold.
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Laurasays:
November 23, 2012 at 5:30 pm


I hope this blog post may be useful: http://www.stevelawson.net/2012/11/why-dont-you-have-a-proper-job/
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Karen Kellersays:
July 12, 2014 at 11:03 pm


Jon, I am researching the Quakers. I came across this article/blog……….I do hope you worked out the way the Lord would take you.

I discovered I am related to Quakers going back to the 1600……….I am grateful to know the DNA of puritans is part of my make up. I am from Australia and thought my DNA that of convicts.
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Mark Smithsays:
November 1, 2017 at 6:45 am


Hi Jon

I came across this page when researching Quaker Ministry. I’ve included a quote in my video Seeking Faith & Practice – My First Ministry ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-XM0M8FnTI ). Thank you for describing ministry so well. Take care.

In friendship

Mark
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Bill Samuelsays:
January 4, 2020 at 2:19 pm


Contemporary Quakers, you seem to be saying, are not going to provide the community support needed to enable you to live out your call. This is probably true. And almost all faith groups degenerate over many generations, so Quakerism is at an age for which that is to be expected.

However, you may be able to find other people with whom you could form a local community which would mutually support each other’s calls. Don’t try to attach it to an existing institutional structure. Learn from other such communities in existence, and build something that is creative and lifegiving. Network rather than fo