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I was lurking in Waterstones bookshop the other day and skimmed through the "Rough Guide to Mindfulness" (yes, there is one - and pretty good too) and the suggestion there is to read "Full catastrophe living" first, then move on from there.
“This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.” Dalai Lama.
I then went on to read the others after that. I'm not too sure that it matters the order that you read them in.
I started with "Mindfulness: A practical guide to finding peace in a frantic world" by Mark Williams and Danny Penman and
That order worked for me. "Full Catastrophe Living", in my opinion, would be too challenging a read if one hadn't read "Wherever You Go..." first.
If you fancy looking into Zen, the works of Alan Watts are indispensable. Roshi Philip Kapleau's
The Three Pillars Of Zen is a great starting point.
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4Quote Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:17 amJonW wrote:
"Full Catastrophe Living", in my opinion, would be too challenging a read if one hadn't read "Wherever You Go..." first.I had that order in mind, thanks for confirming it, Jon
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Quote Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:20 amKabat-Zinn's
Coming To Our Senses is, for me, the perfect book to read just at the point when mindfulness is a natural part of your everyday life. Not only is it the greatest book about mindfulness I have read, it's one of my favourite books period. Every page is packed with gentle wisdom. Not available on Kindle and new copies are a little pricey. But Amazon usually have good offers. It's currently available for £11, less than half its recommended retail price. But it is a whopping great door-stopper of book so you more than get your money's worth.
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:56 amThanks guys, "Wherever you go ..." has just arrived and after I've read that I will follow your recommendations.
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:19 pmLet us know what you think, Dave. A masterpiece, in my view. So beautifully written, so utterly wise.
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Contact FeeHutchQuote Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:04 pmI am thinking of getting
'Coming To Our Senses', I haven't read that much JKZ and this sounds like the book most fitting to where I am right now.
I need to factor in more reading time in to my day when the children are back at school. I have so many books and articles I want to read and somehow I don't have the time. I know that is because of the time I spend mindlessly watching the TV. I found the recent exercise on avoiding social media gave me a lot more time too so I need to take this forward I think.
I will report back in due corse
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:20 pmComing To Our Senses should keep you occupied for a while, weighing in at 600+ pages.
I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin.
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Contact FeeHutchQuote Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:28 pmJonW wrote:Coming To Our Senses should keep you occupied for a while, weighing in at 600+ pages.
I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin.That made me smile
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:48 pmJon
"I loved it so much I ended up rationing myself, allowing myself only a few pages at a time so I could savour it properly, like a raisin."
That's a really nice way of looking at it. JKZ's books are good for just making you feel it all makes sense and it can be tempting to just read and read (and his style of speech and writing just goes on and on in a continuous stream - I believe he really could talk all night). But as he says, you can read until you are blue in the face, but you also need to practice. So savouring like a raisin is very apt.
For me a blend of reading and practising is good. I also read books on positive psychology and am currently reading 'The Happiness Advantage" by Shawn Achor - and its very noticeable that all such books recommend mindfulness/meditation as the bedrock on which to base a more positive/happier outlook.
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:10 pmThanks Fee and Steve.
I'll check out the Shawn Achor book.
I'm mainly reading books by Toni Packer at the moment. Though Packer's not strictly writing about mindfulness (she's been described as "a Zen teacher minus the Zen"), she's the closest I've got to encountering a female version of Kabat-Zinn. She's so gently wise that I feel the need to jot down passages every other paragraph. Like Kabat-Zinn, she writes in that "continuous stream" style that Steve mentioned in connection with JKZ.
I doubt I'm for the turning at my age but I do quite "fancy" Jon Kabat-Zinn. There's something about his writing that suggests to me he'd make a damn fine kisser. Anyway, I've got that off my chest now!
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:19 pmJon
LOL - as nice as he is as a person, and having seen him in real life, I can't say he does it for me in that way! But hey everyone to their own.
Toni Packer's work sound interesting, I'll look it up - as Fee says there is no danger of ever running out of stuff to read! Good job a love of learning is one of my core strengths!
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Quote Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:04 pmSteve, every man is entitled to a man crush.
Feel free to share...
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Contact FeeHutchQuote Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:37 pmI do believe I just LOL'd
I really can't wait for this book to arrive now so I can share both my opinions on JKZ's writing and possible kissing ability!
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Quote Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:13 pmHello,
I started with Full Catastrophe Living about 3 years ago, passed onto me by my sister, who found it helpful. It changed my thinking and marks when a positive shift began in my life. Last year I passed that book on to someone else, but will probably get myself another copy. Meanwhile, "Wherever You Go, There You Are" is by my bedside. I won't let go of that one.
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Quote Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:42 pmI was thrilled to notice that Jon Kabat-Zinn (hereafter to be known as The Gorgeous Jon Kabat-Zinn!) has a new book out, or at least a book written in conjunction with Mark Williams. It's a bit pricey but I couldn't resist ordering it. I'll let you all know what I think when I'm done with it.
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Contact FeeHutchQuote Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:32 pmI will wait eagerly to hear your thoughts on this one.
I need to read my new book and listen to the audio books before buying anything else. Hopefully it will be a bit cheaper by then
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Quote Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:02 pmTwenty quid is a bit steep but I'm off the sauce at the minute so I figured I'd only have spent that amount on wine this weekend. This way I'm sober and I get to read yet more JKZ. Though I've got a feeling he's only done the intro to this one...
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1404Quote Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:05 pmI too adore the way that JKZ writes, and I have this man to thank for introducing me to this thing that changed my life.
My only problem with his work is that it sometimes feels a bit wordy and somewhat inaccessible to people who perhaps aren't so intellectually capable. Mindfulness is an very simple concept when you really strip it back, and while JKZ's work is utterly compelling, I don't think it's for everyone.
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Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:26 pmAgain, it's like the raisin that we started out this adventure with.
Kabat-Zinn is best savoured slowly. Paragraph by paragraph. Don't tip the whole bag of raisins into your gob all at once. And don't rush the mighty JKZ. All in your own sweet time. Moment by moment.
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Quote Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:48 pmps. Unless you're munching on a Garabaldi biscuit, obviously.
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